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[Fauxy]

Well we only actually pay 4.2 Mill. We only pay 6 Mill depending on appearences/goals/assists and what not.

So if he is then we dont lose much, its a low risk signing. Well done Roy

[tubby]

Just had an interest read through some of the early pages of the Aquilani thread, this is Bigmick's most relevant comment that doesn't back up his claim that we all had Aquilani's signing down as a "masterstroke"

Well like many others I've got severe reservations, but this lad deserves a fair go before everyone makes their minds up about him. I'm really looking forward to seeing him play I know that much, and I definately think he's exactly the right type of player we need. The two main concerns are fairly obviously the injuries and the obvious difference both in terms of quality and physicality between Serie A and the Premiership.

The injuries you just have to cross your fingers about I suppose. I don't buy all this nonsense about our medical team being better than Roma's, nor the notion that their training is at fault and is the reason so many of their players get injured. We've just got to hope that he's been unlucky in his career so far, and it does happen sometimes that perenial sicknotes have periods of multiple consecutive appearances.

On the question of him "settling in", I guess that the manager and his staff have researched his character and are of the opinion he'll get it. As he plays for Italy, I think we can take the idea that he is actually a good player as read (and I know someone will mention Dossena, but for now I'm going to conveniently disregard him ).

We could do with Aquilani's signing being a rip roaring success. It's quite a long time since we had one of those.

I quite like that quote Owz, thanks mate. It's always a bit of a worry when someone quotes you from a year ago that you are going to completely contradict yourself, but thankfully here I have been consistent so thanks for putting it up. It shows beyond all doubt that contrary to what some people will tell you, I hadn't decided to slag Alberto off before I'd seen him play, I was actually really looking forward to seeing him. Equally, I wasn't talking after the event with reservations about him either, so to be proven right twice in the same quote is nice.

And when I said some people were claiming it a "masterstroke", with respect I was referring to the likes of Benny who lauded every signing both before and after they'd signed. Similarly, he slags every signing now both before and after they've signed .

Can you show me where I said the signing of Aquilani was a master class ?

I had doubts about the signing just as I did with the signing of Keane so that pretty much blows you theory out of the water - what next will you make up to ensure you keep up your agenda against people who supported previous manager ?

He's probably trawling through the Aquilani thread now. 

[Benny The Noon]

Don't really know enough about him tbh but 6 mil seems like a lot for a 30 year old. Best case senario he fits in and we get a good 3 years out of him. Worst case, given his age there is little or no resale value so thats 6mil wasted. At least with Lucas he is still very young so teams would be interested in him.

It says 4.5 million on the beeb mate with a further 1 based on appearances etc.

Not really major money.

However IF we dont sign a striker i will be very worried.

2.2 mil now and 2.3 mil next July . And agree we need striker Asap .

[In and Out]

So we replace a current Brazilian International who is 22 or 23 and has lots of time to develop and has a bright future ahead of him ( despite what people say IMO ) with a 31 year old who is latter stages of career and is unproven in the prem and someone we might get 2 years out off. . Not that simple is it .

We did replace Igor (I've got a willy hangin' out me shorts) Biscan with GaryMac, that didn't hurt did it.

Lucas is mucas! 

"current Brazilian int" He was amazing at the WC 

[Benny The Noon]

Just had an interest read through some of the early pages of the Aquilani thread, this is Bigmick's most relevant comment that doesn't back up his claim that we all had Aquilani's signing down as a "masterstroke"

Well like many others I've got severe reservations, but this lad deserves a fair go before everyone makes their minds up about him. I'm really looking forward to seeing him play I know that much, and I definately think he's exactly the right type of player we need. The two main concerns are fairly obviously the injuries and the obvious difference both in terms of quality and physicality between Serie A and the Premiership.

The injuries you just have to cross your fingers about I suppose. I don't buy all this nonsense about our medical team being better than Roma's, nor the notion that their training is at fault and is the reason so many of their players get injured. We've just got to hope that he's been unlucky in his career so far, and it does happen sometimes that perenial sicknotes have periods of multiple consecutive appearances.

On the question of him "settling in", I guess that the manager and his staff have researched his character and are of the opinion he'll get it. As he plays for Italy, I think we can take the idea that he is actually a good player as read (and I know someone will mention Dossena, but for now I'm going to conveniently disregard him ).

We could do with Aquilani's signing being a rip roaring success. It's quite a long time since we had one of those.

I quite like that quote Owz, thanks mate. It's always a bit of a worry when someone quotes you from a year ago that you are going to completely contradict yourself, but thankfully here I have been consistent so thanks for putting it up. It shows beyond all doubt that contrary to what some people will tell you, I hadn't decided to slag Alberto off before I'd seen him play, I was actually really looking forward to seeing him. Equally, I wasn't talking after the event with reservations about him either, so to be proven right twice in the same quote is nice.

And when I said some people were claiming it a "masterstroke", with respect I was referring to the likes of Benny who lauded every signing both before and after they'd signed. Similarly, he slags every signing now both before and after they've signed .

Can you show me where I said the signing of Aquilani was a master class ?

I had doubts about the signing just as I did with the signing of Keane so that pretty much blows you theory out of the water - what next will you make up to ensure you keep up your agenda against people who supported previous manager ?

He's probably trawling through the Aquilani thread now. 

Of that there is no doubt . If he wants to accuse me of something he at leasts has to show proof of such act .

[Redman in wales]

i dont think he's a lucas replacement though.

he's a masherano replacement.

(in terms of position and duties, not in terms of quality)

a defensive midfielder, grafter, ball winner, bit of grit, etc etc to play in front of the back 4.

He's obviously not as good as masherano  (imo mash is one of the best in the world at what he does) - but he's a stop gap for a year or two, until the takover is complete and we can afford to replace him with players like yaya toure etc who are closer to masherano's level but cost the earth

[tubby]

Courtesy of Optajoe

48% - Juventus' Serie A win percentage in 2009-10 in the 25 games C Poulsen played, it was only 31% without the Dane. Canny.

[Tim LFC]

We're only paying 2.2 million up front right now. Lets just give him a chance..

[maguskwt]

It just seems laughable that Rafa has done well to bring up the value of the team and now that Roy is enjoying this benefit, every single move that Roy makes in terms of selling an existing player at a high price and buying a player who is in his twilights at a lower price is being applauded as being genius. Look, I'm not anti-Roy here, i'm actually quite a pro-Roy now but the over-praising of Roy on here is getting a bit tiresome.

Yes he did well in signing Joe Cole I give him that because he's managed to persuade him to sign for us albeit having a bit of help from Gerrard and also the lure of playing alongside Torres. But selling Benayoun for 6 million could never be called a genius move by Roy because most of the credit should go to who made Benayoun's value higher. If we had sold him a year earlier, we probably could've fetched 10-12 million for him after such a good season as he had in 2008-9. Similarly selling Mascherano for 25 million and buying an aging Danish international for 4.5 million is NOT a genius move. I would say he's a genius if he could persuade Mascherano to stay. But not for selling the current argentine captain and buying an aging danish international. If that is considered genius, heck I can be a genius manager. Magus sells Torres for 70 million and buys Raul for 5 millions. Yay I'm genius!  Praise me! Praise me!

[Redman in wales]

maguskwt i dont think any one is calling it a genius move, as you've described it above.

Masherano wants to go. He wanted to go last season, but gave it one more year in this country. Now he definately wants to go. Roy has to replace him, but doesn't have the money to do so at the moment. So he bought in a stop gap until the takeover is complete.

Poulson imo isnt the answer to improving the squad, but he can do a job and balance the team which when masherano would leave would need a DM to sit infront of the back 4 and clean up. 


Like wise with Yossi, he's been wanting out for a while, and there's been rumours flying all over the place especially spatak moscow and a couple of other eastern european teams. We paid £5m for yossi and sold him for £5.5m, so yes - it is slightly higher, but not that much.

[maguskwt]

Oh Redman, some on here do think it's genius wheeling and dealing by Roy, I wouldn't have posted it if I haven't read it... 

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

Lifted from Tonights Lpool Echo 

What you need to know about new Liverpool FC midfielder Christian Poulsen

1. Poulsen was born in Asnaes, Denmark on February 28, 1980 - the same date Public Sleeping Day is celebrated.

If he had been born a day later, he would now only be seven and a half years old as 1980 was a leap year.

2. He has worked with Roy Hodgson before, figuring in FC Copenhagen's 2000/01 title-winning 2000-01 season, having joined them from amateur club Holbæk B&I where he started his career.

3. He played in all three of Denmark's 2002 World Cup finals group stage games but missed their second round exit to England through suspension.

4. He moved to German side Schalke 04 after that World Cup, helping them win the 2005 German League Cup and being named Danish player of the year in successive years, the first player to do so.

5. He played for Denmark in Euro 2004 and his abrasive midfield style certainly rubbed Italy's Francesco Totti up the wrong way when the Roma midfielder was sent off for spitting at Poulsen.

Totti issued a full public apology for the incident, while also claiming that he was 'severely provoked' by Poulsen, and years later before the two were due to go head-to-head in Serie A, bitterly commented, "It's easy to talk now.. he could have come and told the truth at the hearing the day after.

"I don't think he adds anything at a technical level."

6. In Schalke's 2005/06 Champions League campaign, he had a run-in with Milan's Rino Gattuso at the end of their match in the San Siro.

Milan accused Poulsen of kicking Brazilian superstar Kaka behind the referee's back and surrounded him at the final whistle despite having won the game 3-2.

Poulsen responded with a sarcastic thumbs up.

Milan boss Carlo Ancelotti later branded him a coward and Kaka called his footballing style "not just" while Poulsen later said Gattuso was childish and hoped he felt embarrassed for himself.

7. His four-year deal at Schalke ran out in 2006 and he signed for Spanish side Sevilla on a free, helping the reigning UEFA Cup holders beat European champions Barcelona 3-0 in the UEFA Super Cup final on his debut.

8. His taste for controversy hit new heights during Denmark's Euro 2008 qualifier with Sweden in June 2007 at Copenhagen's Parken Stadium (where Liverpool played Brondby in the 1995 UEFA Cup).

With the match level at 3-3 and entering stoppage time, Poulsen retaliated to aggression from Swedish striker Markus Rosenberg by punching him while inside the penalty and referee Herbert Fandel, on the advice of his linesman, gave a penalty and showed Poulsen the red card.

Before the spot kick could be taken, a Danish fan (whose identity is still protected by a Danish court injunction) ran onto the field and grabbed the referee by the neck while trying to attack him. Fandel immediately abandoned the match - which was later awarded to Sweden as a 3-0 victory.

Poulsen apologised for his behaviour while maintaining he had been provoked and was banned for three international fixtures, despite criticism from Frederik, Crown Prince of Denmark, a fan pressing charges against him for the attack on Rosenberg, a member of the Copenhagen metropolitan police calling for a 30 day jail sentence and the Danish Minister of Justice wanting him permanently excluded from the national team. Coach Morten Olsen recalled him to the national team at the end of his suspension in October 2007.

The fan who attacked the referee was sentenced to 20 days in prison (after appealing the initial suspended sentence of 30 days) and was later threatened with legal suits from the Danish FA and the Parken Stadium for lost revenue.

Only the Danish FA sued in the end and they won their case, being awarded 120,000 Euros.

9. Poulsen admits his playing style is driven by his fierce will to win:

"On the field, I like to win the game. You have some rules when you play and I try to play within these rules. Of course, sometimes you can perhaps step over the limit of what is allowed, but every footballer at this level hates to lose and they will fight and do almost everything they can to win the game."

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The Media will hate him ... Premiership managers will Loathe him ..... The Kop will adore him
Roy knows this ....... he's not soft our new Manager

[crim cram]

Lifted from Tonights Lpool Echo 

What you need to know about new Liverpool FC midfielder Christian Poulsen

1. Poulsen was born in Asnaes, Denmark on February 28, 1980 - the same date Public Sleeping Day is celebrated.

If he had been born a day later, he would now only be seven and a half years old as 1980 was a leap year.

2. He has worked with Roy Hodgson before, figuring in FC Copenhagen's 2000/01 title-winning 2000-01 season, having joined them from amateur club Holbæk B&I where he started his career.

3. He played in all three of Denmark's 2002 World Cup finals group stage games but missed their second round exit to England through suspension.

4. He moved to German side Schalke 04 after that World Cup, helping them win the 2005 German League Cup and being named Danish player of the year in successive years, the first player to do so.

5. He played for Denmark in Euro 2004 and his abrasive midfield style certainly rubbed Italy's Francesco Totti up the wrong way when the Roma midfielder was sent off for spitting at Poulsen.

Totti issued a full public apology for the incident, while also claiming that he was 'severely provoked' by Poulsen, and years later before the two were due to go head-to-head in Serie A, bitterly commented, "It's easy to talk now.. he could have come and told the truth at the hearing the day after.

"I don't think he adds anything at a technical level."

6. In Schalke's 2005/06 Champions League campaign, he had a run-in with Milan's Rino Gattuso at the end of their match in the San Siro.

Milan accused Poulsen of kicking Brazilian superstar Kaka behind the referee's back and surrounded him at the final whistle despite having won the game 3-2.

Poulsen responded with a sarcastic thumbs up.

Milan boss Carlo Ancelotti later branded him a coward and Kaka called his footballing style "not just" while Poulsen later said Gattuso was childish and hoped he felt embarrassed for himself.

7. His four-year deal at Schalke ran out in 2006 and he signed for Spanish side Sevilla on a free, helping the reigning UEFA Cup holders beat European champions Barcelona 3-0 in the UEFA Super Cup final on his debut.

8. His taste for controversy hit new heights during Denmark's Euro 2008 qualifier with Sweden in June 2007 at Copenhagen's Parken Stadium (where Liverpool played Brondby in the 1995 UEFA Cup).

With the match level at 3-3 and entering stoppage time, Poulsen retaliated to aggression from Swedish striker Markus Rosenberg by punching him while inside the penalty and referee Herbert Fandel, on the advice of his linesman, gave a penalty and showed Poulsen the red card.

Before the spot kick could be taken, a Danish fan (whose identity is still protected by a Danish court injunction) ran onto the field and grabbed the referee by the neck while trying to attack him. Fandel immediately abandoned the match - which was later awarded to Sweden as a 3-0 victory.

Poulsen apologised for his behaviour while maintaining he had been provoked and was banned for three international fixtures, despite criticism from Frederik, Crown Prince of Denmark, a fan pressing charges against him for the attack on Rosenberg, a member of the Copenhagen metropolitan police calling for a 30 day jail sentence and the Danish Minister of Justice wanting him permanently excluded from the national team. Coach Morten Olsen recalled him to the national team at the end of his suspension in October 2007.

The fan who attacked the referee was sentenced to 20 days in prison (after appealing the initial suspended sentence of 30 days) and was later threatened with legal suits from the Danish FA and the Parken Stadium for lost revenue.

Only the Danish FA sued in the end and they won their case, being awarded 120,000 Euros.

9. Poulsen admits his playing style is driven by his fierce will to win:

"On the field, I like to win the game. You have some rules when you play and I try to play within these rules. Of course, sometimes you can perhaps step over the limit of what is allowed, but every footballer at this level hates to lose and they will fight and do almost everything they can to win the game."

[url=http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2010/08/12/what-you-need-to-know-about-new-liverpool-fc-midfielder-christian-poulsen-video-100252-270

51044/2/]Liverpool Echo[/url]



The Media will hate him ... Premiership managers will Loathe him ..... The Kop will adore him
Roy knows this ....... he's not soft our new Manager

Good Lord, makes Masc look like a good little boy doesn't he?

[Bad Bob]

The two Poulsen threads have now been merged.  Sorry about the poll, it seems to have been lost in the shuffle.  The poll thread seemed more focus on discussion anyway, hence the merge.  Feel free to start another poll if the need is there but all discussion of Poulsen should happen here.

[metalhead]

Good luck poulson lad