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I also like Peewee

i like you as well mick   

[PhiLFC]

My favourite boxer?  Tyson without a doubt... ferocious punching power... but I also loved to watch Smokin Joe and Hagler and Benn.  Hatton win or lose in his next fight is just great to watch.

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My favourite boxer?  Tyson without a doubt... ferocious punching power... but I also loved to watch Smokin Joe and Hagler and Benn.  Hatton win or lose in his next fight is just great to watch.

Do you thinl Tyson had the style to live with some of the old time great heavyweights?

To me he was just a brawler he never seemed to have any fight pattern when he did eventually fight someone with a bit of style about him ie Holyfield twice he came unstuck.

Ali would of danced him round the ring and then come at him with the quick one two. he liked to control the tempo of the fight I  dont think Tyson would of got near him

Frazier actualy simular style to Tyson would have been the more powerful they both liked to stay close to there opponents but Frazier was a bob and weave specialist who loved the jab

Marciano would of just kicked his i saw a fight of his once where he was cut completly down the nose the man just carried on like it was a scratch Marciano was a slugger with an outstanding uppercut

Louis what more can you say about the man
69 wins 55 by knockouts the mans record speaks for itself
Louis was a fighter with power in his punches he would wear the man down and then go for the knockout

So as far as im concerned no Tyson wouldnt have lived with any of these.

But then thats my opinion

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john conteh, absolute legend, also i remember watching alan minter agaisnt vito antifuermo when minter ripped vitos face to shreds.

when i was about 9 or 10 conteh had a fight at liverpool stadium, he was fighting an american (i dont remember his name now). at the top of our street there was a boxong gym above a small matal fabricators workshop. the guy conteh was fighting trained in there before the fight, we were allowed in as kids to watch, it was great

I remember Conteh very well. He had big problems with his hands, kept breaking bones when he hit people hard. Was good with a head butt though, finished off a few fighters with his head.

I always thought Duran was unbeatable till he fought Leonard the second time, I couldn't believe it when he gave in.

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I think the American boxer was a lad called Lenny Hutchins PeeWee, he fought him in the old Liverpool boxing stadium in town ,im sure it was the same year we won the European cup. The Americans stayed in the hotel i was working in town.
He was a really nice fella and i got tickets off him for the fight and we got invited to the after party.

yeah that name rings a bell, he used to come down our road in a black limo to go training. the gym was a right dump as well, proper boxing sweaty gym.

Forgot to ask you PeeWee were was that gym and what was it called

[Mikz]

john conteh, absolute legend, also i remember watching alan minter agaisnt vito antifuermo when minter ripped vitos face to shreds.

when i was about 9 or 10 conteh had a fight at liverpool stadium, he was fighting an american (i dont remember his name now). at the top of our street there was a boxong gym above a small matal fabricators workshop. the guy conteh was fighting trained in there before the fight, we were allowed in as kids to watch, it was great

I remember Conteh very well. He had big problems with his hands, kept breaking bones when he hit people hard. Was good with a head butt though, finished off a few fighters with his head.

I always thought Duran was unbeatable till he fought Leonard the second time, I couldn't believe it when he gave in.

I think Roberto Duran would have been unbeatable if he had stayed as his natural weight. Its all about the bigger purse now. The lighter man will always struggle against the naturally heavier guy. Who would have beat De La hoya at his weight, or Trinidad , they would have reigned supreme for much longer.   But Duran was as good as it gets, his private life was a mess when he tackled Leonard the second time, and just got worse.  Cant make excuses -Leonard danced rings round him that night and made him look silly.

Some truly great heavyweights you mentioned too Nanny red, and everyone will have different opinions on that. My old man raved about Joe Louis and his 6 inch ko punch lol but i think Tyson in his prime would have been too feriocious for any of them.

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john conteh, absolute legend, also i remember watching alan minter agaisnt vito antifuermo when minter ripped vitos face to shreds.

when i was about 9 or 10 conteh had a fight at liverpool stadium, he was fighting an american (i dont remember his name now). at the top of our street there was a boxong gym above a small matal fabricators workshop. the guy conteh was fighting trained in there before the fight, we were allowed in as kids to watch, it was great

I remember Conteh very well. He had big problems with his hands, kept breaking bones when he hit people hard. Was good with a head butt though, finished off a few fighters with his head.

I always thought Duran was unbeatable till he fought Leonard the second time, I couldn't believe it when he gave in.

I think Roberto Duran would have been unbeatable if he had stayed as his natural weight. Its all about the bigger purse now. The lighter man will always struggle against the naturally heavier guy. Who would have beat De La hoya at his weight, or Trinidad , they would have reigned supreme for much longer.   But Duran was as good as it gets, his private life was a mess when he tackled Leonard the second time, and just got worse.  Cant make excuses -Leonard danced rings round him that night and made him look silly.

Some truly great heavyweights you mentioned too Nanny red, and everyone will have different opinions on that. My old man raved about Joe Louis and his 6 inch ko punch lol but i think Tyson in his prime would have been too feriocious for any of them.

Just came across this piece regarding Tyson Lewis and Holifield (controversial) maybe but a great read.

So where does Lewis rank? Or Tyson and Holyfield? Early Tyson was one of the most devastating punchers in the history of the division. But, he feasted on a lot of never-weres and mid-80s champions who couldn't have held the title in any other era. Tyson failed almost every big test that came his way, both in the ring and in life. There is not a single of the established Top Ten All-Time Greats I'd feel comfortable removing from the list to insert Iron Mike. He failed to earn their position. Holyfield, on the other hand, should rank high, and in the future, once he' s finished his career, and sadly his health, he'll be listed in the Top Ten. He's the counter to the current "bigger is better" myth, a blown up cruiser weight who was the best heavyweight of the era in his prime. He destroyed the legend of Tyson by proving just how beatable Mike was, he made Lewis resort to holding and leaning on him to eke out a mediocre win. At 39 he gave a great performance against Rahman, though it was marred by the head butt.

Lennox Lewis had the makings of an All-Time Great, but boxing folk will never forget that he was knocked out with a single punch from an average fighter not once, but twice. No other great heavyweight champion, the company to which Lewis aspires, has that distinction,. The legacy he speaks of will always be tainted by loses of a type never seen from Dempsey, Louis, Marciano, Ali, or Holmes. When previous champions were knocked out in their prime or as champion, it was almost invariably by other great fighters. Louis was felled by Schmelling, Dempsey by Tunney, Frazier by Foreman, Ezzard Charles by Walcott, Walcott by Marciano, Corbett by Fitzsimmons. All were KO'd by other future Hall of Famers. And those who were felled by lesser fighters, such as Patterson by Johansson, and vice-versa, and again vice-versa, are rightly never in contention for Top Ten status.

Can you imagine this fight

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Mikz Posted on Nov. 14 2007,11:24
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I remember it well Bigmick...I remember sitting by our old gramaphone type radio and listening to Harry Carpenter commentating on it -big riot afterwards lol -watch it here- disgraceful scenes but try watching it and keeping a straight face at the end

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z184W81eVo0



also Nannyred said about holyfield...totally agree with that, and nobody seems to remember as a lightheavyweight he was even better

Holyfield started his pro career at cruiserweight, he was light heavy in the amateurs, and is generally regarded as the greatest cruiseweight ever

NANNY RED  Marciano would of just kicked his   i saw a fight of his once where he was cut completly down the nose the man just carried on like it was a scratch Marciano was a slugger with an outstanding uppercut

It was the rematch against Ezzard Charles , one of the best fights ever, Marciano stops him in the 9th or 10th rd - I tried to find a youtube link but sadly there wasn't one - It was available on the "Boxers"  collection that was brought out about 12 years ago - a weekly magazine and video on a featured legend

If you watch ESPN Classic on Sky Channel 442 it pops up all the time there too

[Paul C]

My favourite boxer?  Tyson without a doubt... ferocious punching power... but I also loved to watch Smokin Joe and Hagler and Benn.  Hatton win or lose in his next fight is just great to watch.

God damn Phil, that avatar is SMOKIN'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

[Mikz]

Aye ok cruiserweight, I just hit both with the same stick lol

And forgot about Ezzrd Charles too. Surely the most underrated heavyweight ever. I seen various clips of him in action and he had lightning fast hands and dazzling combinations.

Also another one to remember -Larry Holmes. He came along at a time when the heavyweight division was dying a death, but his record was great even so.

[Big Niall]

Tyson COULD have been the greatest heavyweight ever but after he split from his trainer, Rooney, he stopped moving his head, jabbing all that essential stuff and just looked to knock guys out - boxing is more complex than that.

he was weak mentally and also a coward. Yes a coward, raping a woman, biting Holyfields ear when losing as didn't want to get knocked out, trying to break Bothas arm in a clinch.

Here's a question - name one tough fight he ever one i.e. a fight where he was up against it and turned it around and won. He ranks nowhere on my list - except my biggest waste of talent list.

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Tyson COULD have been the greatest heavyweight ever but after he split from his trainer, Rooney, he stopped moving his head, jabbing all that essential stuff and just looked to knock guys out - boxing is more complex than that.

he was weak mentally and also a coward. Yes a coward, raping a woman, biting Holyfields ear when losing as didn't want to get knocked out, trying to break Bothas arm in a clinch.

Here's a question - name one tough fight he ever one i.e. a fight where he was up against it and turned it around and won. He ranks nowhere on my list - except my biggest waste of talent list.

Spot on Niall good boxer but i wouldnt put him up there with the other greats i mentioned before

[Big Niall]

Also, I think Frazier and Foreman overrated (okay Formean coming back at 45 is amazing, I'm talking 1970s Foreman)

Frazier won ONE big fight against Ali who was coming back from a 3 year lay off and around 30 (a lot older then than these days), their second fight he lost and was poor, their third they were both shot fighters. Foreman knocked him out twice in first round of their too fights. What else did he do?

Foreman's only achievement in 1970s was his two defeats of Frazier,  to lose to an ageing Ali when Foreman was his prime was terrible and then he didn't do anything else in his "first career"

Okay, coming back was amazing but his knockout of Michael Moorer was a one punch fluke and never beat anyone decent but still remarkable achievement.

Jack Dempsey refused to fight black fighters so doesn't count as a world champion.

"the old legends" are not above criticism

[Big Niall]

Jack Johnson rarely gets spoken off but a definate contender of best heavyweight fighter ever.

People also forget that in the Hagler,leonard,Duran,Hearns era that Duran was not only old but a much smaller man than guys like Hagler, Duran was at his best in early 1970s at a much lighter weight  and also a contender for best ever pound for pound.

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I see were you coming from Niall regarding the heavyweights but 2 fighters clearly stand out for me

Joe Louis his punching accuracy is the best ever seenthe man had speed power and some of the best combination punches ever seen in any weight class of any time .He was the complete package the man held his title for 15 years with the most defences.

I still love watching clips of Marciano he was a tremendos puncher for a small heavyweight he just kept coming and never stopped punching. He had a great chin and a powerful right hand and dont forget he was the only heavyweight to retire unbeaton