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[andy_g]

and kalos, if you are anywhere near ljubljana i'm giving a talk tomorrow evening about astrobiology and the possibilities for life in other environments. you're welcome to come along.

[LFC2007]

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[Bad Bob]

and kalos, if you are anywhere near ljubljana i'm giving a talk tomorrow evening about astrobiology and the possibilities for life in other environments. you're welcome to come along.

But will you be wearing a white lab coat? 

[andy_g]

nope, i ain't one o them boffin fings like

[Bad Bob]

nope, i ain't one o them boffin fings like

[SouthCoastShankly]

I personally sit in the middle. I believe in God but I too cannot ignore the evidence that evolution presents. My beliefs are one of compromise. Evolution and a belief in God can co-exist if you can accept that Evolution is a tool that God used to create life.

Additionally you have to read Genesis not as a literal account but as an account written over 6000 years ago to explain the origins of life to the earliest tribe of Human beings, effectively figurative.

Even the likes of Richard Dawkins can accept this stance, as seen in this article published in the Times a few months back (Link)

[Big Niall]

I personally sit in the middle. I believe in God but I too cannot ignore the evidence that evolution presents. My beliefs are one of compromise. Evolution and a belief in God can co-exist if you can accept that Evolution is a tool that God used to create life.

Additionally you have to read Genesis not as a literal account but as an account written over 6000 years ago to explain the origins of life to the earliest tribe of Human beings, effectively figurative.

Even the likes of Richard Dawkins can accept this stance, as seen in this article published in the Times a few months back (Link)

Do you think the bible was written by man in a normal way? or  that there was a divine power/knowledge behind it?

Some believe the latter, which doesn't make sense considering much of it is proven wrong (7 days creation etc).

As far as I am aware, the pope has said evolution isn't contradictary to christianity.

[SouthCoastShankly]

I personally sit in the middle. I believe in God but I too cannot ignore the evidence that evolution presents. My beliefs are one of compromise. Evolution and a belief in God can co-exist if you can accept that Evolution is a tool that God used to create life.

Additionally you have to read Genesis not as a literal account but as an account written over 6000 years ago to explain the origins of life to the earliest tribe of Human beings, effectively figurative.

Even the likes of Richard Dawkins can accept this stance, as seen in this article published in the Times a few months back (Link)

Do you think the bible was written by man in a normal way? or  that there was a divine power/knowledge behind it?

Some believe the latter, which doesn't make sense considering much of it is proven wrong (7 days creation etc).

As far as I am aware, the pope has said evolution isn't contradictary to christianity.

Again the mistake you make is assuming that all Christians take the account of creation literally instead of figuratively.

7 days literal creation interpretation is what is termed Young Earth Creationism, a concept that very few Christian denominations believe in.

The vast majority believe in Old Earth Creationism which effectively take each day spoken of in Genesis as a undefined period of time. Much like the phrase "back in the day" or "day of your youth". These "days" are not literal. The Old Earth Creationist interpretation also allows the concept of Evolution to be integrated.

[kalos]

AndyG and Joe terp- Thanks for the links- now use your mind -

Look at all the equarions on that PDF OK? How  many of them do you UNDERSTAND - I'm guessing very few ,or none- so you base your choice on what somebody else has  come up with and that which you do not understand.

Who came up with the Universe as a basis for those equations? Your answer  - no-one,

Who discovered their significance- you will say as would i :-trained mathmeticians and  Scientists

How?- by use of his/her/their  intelligence.

So you need a highly educated person to understand and formulate conplex equations and algorithms BUT you say the Universe that can only be explained in such a sophisticated way came about with direction and no intelligence .

Can you not see the gaping flaw in your reasoning??

It's a little bit like the SETI scientists who beam out radio waves and mathematical sequences in the hope that if there is intelligent life out there that these signals will be received as EVIDENCE of intelligent life on earth and yet - laughably- they will not accept the far higher order of mathematics in the world and Universe as evidence of intelligence. It's this kind of warped reasoning that I have a problem with.

When you get into cosmic theory we are not even at the start of understanding the Universe - just about any scientist (with the slightest grain of humility) will admit that.

And to just clarify the use of the word "boffin" wasn't meant to downgrade Scientists in general (I'm a BSc in a Biological science!) I was just using it as the vernacular for guys looked up to as intellectuals simply because of their position.

Finally andyg - thanks for the invite but my study of DNA/RNA alone shows me unequivocally that there is a Creator/God - there is no information sytem that is even comparable to DNA/RNA in the known Universe.

...But it came about on it's own as all information systems like PC's, binary code etc do - spontaneously appear on desks don't they -eh?

Simple reason and logic - once it gets down to that simple level of what your eyes and ears and experience in life tell you all the long winded theories about chance etc look , in my opinion at least, ridiculous.

[dawson99]

so, to sum up, you gotta have faith

[Big Niall]

so, to sum up, you gotta have faith

Thank God I'm an atheist.

[kalos]

dawson - yes you do need faith but faith should not; and Biblically does not, equal credulity- credulity is for the evolutionists  who say life came from non living  matter and have never had it proven in any way shape or form.

Hebrewd 11:1 -Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld.

You can see the "evident demonstration" of Intelligence/Design in the the things made - if you let your mind /heart actually stop , think and reason on what your own life experience tells you. Not what some "boffin"says 

[dawson99]

which is faith, without proof you need faith... I don;t get why you are using long words to say what I'm saying, and I take you back to my quote: Faith is to believe what you do not see; the reward of this faith is to see what you believe

sums it up beautifully if you ask me.

[LFC2007]

Can you not see the gaping flaw in your reasoning??