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[SouthCoastShankly]

Why does religion teach that people of other religions will go to hell (christianity) - read the bible , its in there.

Jews believe that god loves them more than non jews (chosen people etc)

The Koran has loads of values which separate the treatment of Muslims versus non muslims.

The whole purpose of religion is to form a tribe that is somehow superior to other tribes.

That's quite an antiquated view.

Many Bible translations, and religions, actually stop using the word Hell, most opting for a literal translation of Hades and Sheol. The main reason is the literal translation of these words is a common grave not the word Hell.

The tendency to allude to a fiery torment was a concept invented in the middle ages, the Catholic's Church's method of control by using fear.

Hence now many religions believe that Hell is no longer a fiery torment but simply death.

[Emerald Red]

John Lennon was a commy twit. I love possessions.

And anyway, how did he protest? Stayed in bed... what a man!!

Religion doesn't kill people, people kill people...

Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion.

Steven Weinberg, Nobel Laureate in physics

Lot of bollox.

Question: why do people think they are clever by quoating someone else, usually some dead white fella or someone with some kind of official distinction, because, afterall, that makes them smarter and wiser than everyone else, right? How original. Me personally, I come up with my own stuff.

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John Lennon was a commy twit. I love possessions.

And anyway, how did he protest? Stayed in bed... what a man!!

Religion doesn't kill people, people kill people...

Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion.

Steven Weinberg, Nobel Laureate in physics

Lot of bollox.

Question: why do people think they are clever by quoating someone else, usually some dead white fella or someone with some kind of official distinction, because, afterall, that makes them smarter and wiser than everyone else, right? How original. Me personally, I come up with my own stuff.

"A Wise Man Learns by the Mistakes of Others, a Fool by His Own" 

[dawson99]

Religion is awesome

Dawson - Dec 2009

[Number 9]

I lost all belief in religion years ago.....I grew up away from church,we were protestants.Me and a few mates went on a community relation exercise in about 95 and it was just strange(Please bear in mind that in that time it was an effort to make a protestant meet a catholic).Our masters told us to come in at night and we rolled about laughing...The Priests and Nuns told them to come in and they all went with their heads down and sad faces!

[Big Niall]

Religion is the most efficent way to get people to die for a cause. This has been known since well before Christianity existed.

The belief in something of which there is zero evidence just seems so strange to me. I understand it makes people feel better when under stress.

Also the spin that religious people do regarding "faith" is hilarious, they claim that believing in something of which there is no evidence , is a virtue.

[dawson99]

Religion is the most efficent way to get people to die for a cause. This has been known since well before Christianity existed.

The belief in something of which there is zero evidence just seems so strange to me. I understand it makes people feel better when under stress.

Also the spin that religious people do regarding "faith" is hilarious, they claim that believing in something of which there is no evidence , is a virtue.

its more of a virtue than bitter old men like you with no beliefs just waiting to die.

give us our faith, we aint all jihad/ira/whatever extremists, some of us just believe theres more to life than what we have now... cant see how thats a bad thing you're challenging because you have to have 10000% proof it exists.

[Emerald Red]

Religion is the most efficent way to get people to die for a cause. This has been known since well before Christianity existed.

The belief in something of which there is zero evidence just seems so strange to me. I understand it makes people feel better when under stress.

Also the spin that religious people do regarding "faith" is hilarious, they claim that believing in something of which there is no evidence , is a virtue.

Stop talking like what you say is fact. What you say is not a fact. If people want to believe in something, then who the do you think you are in saying that what they believe in is the rubbish you're spouting.

[Big Niall]

You can believe in Zeus if you want. I don't care about your personal beliefs. I do know that relligion has always been used for military purposes though.

[Big Niall]

Religion is the most efficent way to get people to die for a cause. This has been known since well before Christianity existed.

The belief in something of which there is zero evidence just seems so strange to me. I understand it makes people feel better when under stress.

Also the spin that religious people do regarding "faith" is hilarious, they claim that believing in something of which there is no evidence , is a virtue.

its more of a virtue than bitter old men like you with no beliefs just waiting to die.

give us our faith, we aint all jihad/ira/whatever extremists, some of us just believe theres more to life than what we have now... cant see how thats a bad thing you're challenging because you have to have 10000% proof it exists.

why would an atheist be waiting to die? if anything, the logical assumption is that the religious person would be looking forward to death more as they believe they go to an afterlife. As I believe I'll rot in the ground when I am dead - why would I look forward to it?

Perhaps you will expand on your point?

[kalos]

Two men are in a desert and come across a house - at first they thinks it's a mirage
but sure enough it's real. Beautifully built, aircon, water system, energy efficient, stacked with food in the freezer - the lot.

They both agree that the house got there on it's own with no outside agency or involvement.

how long before you have them sanctioned?

How long before common sense tells you that this planet and the Universe which are infiniteley more complex could NOT have arrived without an intelligent designer/creator/God (whichever you prefer to call him)

Cue the long winded explanations of how absolte commmon sense does not apply when you take this
illustration and apply it to the earth and the Universe.

When it boils down to it the conclusion is so obvious its as plain as the nose on your face.

All those not in agreement pleaseexplain how the elements that make up the Universe got here.

Then explain and demonstrate conclusively how these non living elements became living.

[andy_g]

how did god get here then?

[Emerald Red]

You can believe in Zeus if you want. I don't care about your personal beliefs. I do know that relligion has always been used for military purposes though.

Politics has. And religion and politics are linked. Always has been. Often through history, it is not the religious leaders that start wars. It's the politician that starts the wars. They'll use religion as a spin for their agenda, and it's usually the blind religious follower that pays with their blood for it. If the Devil existed, he'd wear a suit and probably be a lawer of an MP.

[Number 9]

how did god get here then?

His dady was a triffid

[kalos]

Answer the questions or bring some intelligent reasoning to the table - answers like the above make me thing that there's still some primordial soup floating around - in some guys brains ..


Andy_g - ALL scientists and every person thats done basic science knows that one of the fundamental laws is:

energy can be transformed (changed from one form to another), but cannot be created or destroyed.

All matter is related to energy (E=mc2)

Poeple will accpet that energy has ALWAYS been there - cannot be created or destroyed- so surely the Creator/Designer/God MUST always have been there.

Its as simple as that. Just becasue our tiny minds can't comprehend that about a person/designer/God but will accept it about "energy" doesnt mean it's not possible or indeed not true.

The only problem is that scientists (especillay evolutionary scientists)  have to make it sound complicated and keep hold of their jobs at YOUR  expense.

Anyway I'm still waiting for the answers to the above from the "we 're here by chance " camp.

In 20 years of discussions I've yet to come across a sensible discussion based on logic/reason/fact and not speculation.

[B]