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[metalhead]

You cant stop any addict and if you think you can then your mistaken. Individuals make choices and Winehouse simply did not have the will to take her beyond her addiction and as such the outcome is inevitable. It takes a very strong person to beat these diseases, drink or drugs, and with all the harsh truth is most addicts as far down the line as she was simply dont make it. Everyone knew where this was leading, her parents tried, but Winehouse was eventually over whelmed by addiction and the result is fatal.

exactly!

[dawson99]

You cant stop any addict and if you think you can then your mistaken. Individuals make choices and Winehouse simply did not have the will to take her beyond her addiction and as such the outcome is inevitable. It takes a very strong person to beat these diseases, drink or drugs, and with all the harsh truth is most addicts as far down the line as she was simply dont make it. Everyone knew where this was leading, her parents tried, but Winehouse was eventually over whelmed by addiction and the result is fatal.

So Amy is the one who said she wanted to do that gig in Belgrade last week? Bollox mate! she was a mess and her management should have helped her more. as should everyone else. she got booed offstage by 1000s of 'fans' next week dies of an overdose.. see the connection? Need me to draw a picture?

[metalhead]

are you sherlock holmes?

[dawson99]

are you sherlock holmes?

You don't need to be Sherlock to figure this one out mate, it wouldn't even take up half an epsiode of Rastamouse its so obvious. She was troubled, she was pushed into gigging when we all know she wasnt ready. Of course after all this we might find out it wasn't even drugs related, but we all know it was already right?

Lets just agree that you're wrong and move on dude 

[parchpea]

No one is to blame for this but Winehouse herself. She chose a path and then was unable to move off it. Addicts blame everyone but themselves for their problems, they are also masters of manipulating people around them to enable useage. No one force fed her the drug, no one poured the drink down her throat, and that is the bottom line. You may be suprised to learn that groups such as ALANON etc.. teach those that live with addicts to detatch themselves from loved ones with addictions because living with one is a path for your own and everyone around that persons destruction. These unfortunate individuals have to work this out alone and whilst words of support can assist to a small degree they are nothing more than scratches on a surface when your in the grip of serious addiction like Winehouse was.

[metalhead]

are you sherlock holmes?

You don't need to be Sherlock to figure this one out mate, it wouldn't even take up half an epsiode of Rastamouse its so obvious. She was troubled, she was pushed into gigging when we all know she wasnt ready. Of course after all this we might find out it wasn't even drugs related, but we all know it was already right?

Lets just agree that you're wrong and move on dude Â

That's what she said

[Ben Patrick]

People have addictive personalities i can totally understand that and sympathise with it.
However i have not one bit of sympathy for someone who willingly took heroin even once.
Dirty minging drug that you wouldnt touch even once i you had an ounce of sense.

[dawson99]

People have addictive personalities i can totally understand that and sympathise with it.
However i have not one bit of sympathy for someone who willingly took heroin even once.
Dirty minging drug that you wouldnt touch even once i you had an ounce of sense.

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

Russell Brands tribute to Amy Winehouse

"When you love someone who suffers from the disease of addiction you await the phone call. There will be a phone call. The sincere hope is that the call will be from the addict themselves, telling you they've had enough, that they're ready to stop, ready to try something new. Of course though, you fear the other call, the sad nocturnal chime from a friend or relative telling you it's too late, she's gone.

Frustratingly it's not a call you can ever make it must be received. It is impossible to intervene.

I've known Amy Winehouse for years. When I first met her around Camden she was just some twit in a pink satin jacket shuffling round bars with mutual friends, most of whom were in cool Indie bands or peripheral Camden figures Withnail-ing their way through life on impotent charisma. Carl Barat told me that 'Winehouse' (which I usually called her and got a kick out of cos it's kind of funny to call a girl by her surname) was a jazz singer, which struck me as a bizarrely anomalous in that crowd. To me with my limited musical knowledge this information placed Amy beyond an invisible boundary of relevance; 'Jazz singer? She must be some kind of eccentric' I thought. I chatted to her anyway though, she was after all, a girl, and she was sweet and peculiar but most of all vulnerable.

I was myself at that time barely out of rehab and was thirstily seeking less complicated women so I barely reflected on the now glaringly obvious fact that Winehouse and I shared an affliction, the disease of addiction. All addicts, regardless of the substance or their social status share a consistent and obvious symptom; they're not quite present when you talk to them. They communicate to you through a barely discernible but un-ignorable veil. Whether a homeless smack head troubling you for 50p for a cup of tea or a coked-up, pinstriped exec foaming off about his 'speedboat' there is a toxic aura that prevents connection. They have about them the air of elsewhere, that they're looking through you to somewhere else they'd rather be. And of course they are. The priority of any addict is to anaesthetise the pain of living to ease the passage of the day with some purchased relief.

From time to time I'd bump into Amy she had good banter so we could chat a bit and have a laugh, she was 'a character' but that world was riddled with half cut, doped up chancers, I was one of them, even in early recovery I was kept afloat only by clinging to the bodies of strangers so Winehouse, but for her gentle quirks, didn't especially register.

Then she became massively famous and I was pleased to see her acknowledged but mostly baffled because I'd not experienced her work and this not being the 1950s I wondered how a 'jazz singer' had achieved such cultural prominence. I wasn't curious enough to do anything so extreme as listen to her music or go to one of her gigs, I was becoming famous myself at the time and that was an all consuming experience. It was only by chance that I attended a Paul Weller gig at the Roundhouse that I ever saw her live.


I arrived late and as I made my way to the audience through the plastic smiles and plastic cups I heard the rolling, wondrous resonance of a female vocal. Entering the space I saw Amy on stage with Weller and his band; and then the awe. The awe that envelops when witnessing a genius. From her oddly dainty presence that voice, a voice that seemed not to come from her but from somewhere beyond even Billie and Ella, from the font of all greatness. A voice that was filled with such power and pain that it was at once entirely human yet laced with the divine. My ears, my mouth, my heart and mind all instantly opened. Winehouse. Winehouse? Winehouse! That twerp, all eyeliner and lager dithering up Chalk Farm Road under a back-combed barnet, the lips that I'd only seen clenching a fishwife fag and dribbling curses now a portal for this holy sound. So now I knew. She wasn't just some hapless wannabe, yet another up nit who was never gonna make it, nor was she even a ten-a-penny-chanteuse enjoying her fifteen minutes. She was a f**king genius.

Shallow fool that I am I now regarded her in a different light, the light that blazed down from heaven when she sang. That lit her up now and a new phase in our friendship began. She came on a few of my TV and radio shows, I still saw her about but now attended to her with a little more interest. Publicly though, Amy increasingly became defined by her addiction. Our media though is more interested in tragedy than talent, so the ink began to defect from praising her gift to chronicling her downfall. The destructive personal relationships, the blood soaked ballet slippers, the aborted shows, that youtube madness with the baby mice. In the public perception this ephemeral tittle-tattle replaced her timeless talent. This and her manner in our occasional meetings brought home to me the severity of her condition.

Addiction is a serious disease; it will end with jail, mental institutions or death. I was 27 years old when through the friendship and help of Chip Somers of the treatment center Focus12, I found recovery. Through Focus I was introduced to support fellowships for alcoholics and drug addicts which are very easy to find and open to anybody with a desire to stop drinking and without which I would not be alive.

Now Amy Winehouse is dead, like many others whose unnecessary deaths have been retrospectively romanticised, at 27 years old. Whether this tragedy was preventable or not is now irrelevant. It is not preventable today. We have lost a beautiful and talented woman to this disease. Not all addicts have Amy's incredible talent. Or Kurt's or Jimi's or Janis's, some people just get the affliction. All we can do is adapt the way we view this condition, not as a crime or a romantic affectation but as a disease that will kill. We need to review the way society treats addicts, not as criminals but as sick people in need of care. We need to look at the way our government funds rehabilitation. It is cheaper to rehabilitate an addict than to send them to prison, so criminalisation doesn't even make economic sense. Not all of us know someone with the incredible talent that Amy had but we all know drunks and junkies and they all need help and the help is out there.

All they have to do is pick up the phone and make the call. Or not. Either way, there will be a phone call."

R.I.P Amy

[tubby]

are you sherlock holmes?

You don't need to be Sherlock to figure this one out mate, it wouldn't even take up half an epsiode of Rastamouse its so obvious. She was troubled, she was pushed into gigging when we all know she wasnt ready. Of course after all this we might find out it wasn't even drugs related, but we all know it was already right?

Lets just agree that I'm wrong and move on dude 

Agreed 

Dawson she wasn't /drugged up when they planned the gig. She spent most of her days in a state so they were not really going to call off a an entire tour on the off chance she would get herself into a state.

At the end of the day no matter how much those around you wish to help you, unless you take that step yourself then there is no way you can change your ways.

[woof woof !]

There was a talent there. Now it's gone.

Do I care ?    , couldn't give two fks about her.

Look around, the world is full of people struggling just to survive, they deserve far more sympathy than this not short of money self destructive personality who at one point had the world at her feet.

[tubby]

Hey Dawson, they are asking on 5live how do you control addicts like Amy Winehouse? Call up mate, you got the answers!

[bunglemark2]

There was a talent there. Now it's gone.

Do I care ?    , couldn't give two fks about her.

Look around, the world is full of people struggling just to survive, they deserve far more sympathy than this not short of money self destructive personality who at one point had the world at her feet.

My sentiments exactly....tell that to tubby though....

[Greavesie]

Anyways, she gone, whens Gaga gonna be 27?

I shouldn't but

[Benny The Noon]

Hey Dawson, they are asking on 5live how do you control addicts like Amy Winehouse? Call up mate, you got the answers!

Don't control them - let them carry on f.ucking up their own life . They made their choice - live with it .If they are found to be breaking the law then lock them up .