Liverpool FC Forum

[damjan193]

So what, good players shouldn't be criticized? It's not like I said he was Sh*t. I just pointed out a few things that I think he should improve on. I still believe that he's one of our best players and I have no doubt that he will continue improving.

Jeez, can't a man make a comment without being jumped on?

[Stu the Red]

So what, good players shouldn't be criticized? It's not like I said he was Sh*t. I just pointed out a few things that I think he should improve on. I still believe that he's one of our best players and I have no doubt that he will continue improving.

Jeez, can't a man make a comment without being jumped on?

Not when you're effectively having a go at one of our best players for playing to his strengths and playing intricate, attacking football with vision, quality and speed.

Occasionally he loses the ball, so what? He's an absolutely outstanding player who contributes a hell of a lot to the way we play. I'd rather he lost the ball trying to be positive than just get it and do what Lucas does every time he gets it.

[damjan193]

So what, good players shouldn't be criticized? It's not like I said he was Sh*t. I just pointed out a few things that I think he should improve on. I still believe that he's one of our best players and I have no doubt that he will continue improving.

Jeez, can't a man make a comment without being jumped on?

Not when you're effectively having a go at one of our best players for playing to his strengths and playing intricate, attacking football with vision, quality and speed.

Occasionally he loses the ball, so what? He's an absolutely outstanding player who contributes a hell of a lot to the way we play. I'd rather he lost the ball trying to be positive than just get it and do what Lucas does every time he gets it.

Then by that definition, Moses is a positive player as well 

Jokes aside, I just wanted to point out a few of his flaws. I mean, come on, you can't tell me that his shooting isn't absolutely horrible. I'm not for a minute suggesting that he's a bad player. On the contrary, he's one of our best. I just wanted to bring up a few points about him that haven't been discussed.

[Stu the Red]

So what, good players shouldn't be criticized? It's not like I said he was Sh*t. I just pointed out a few things that I think he should improve on. I still believe that he's one of our best players and I have no doubt that he will continue improving.

Jeez, can't a man make a comment without being jumped on?

Not when you're effectively having a go at one of our best players for playing to his strengths and playing intricate, attacking football with vision, quality and speed.

Occasionally he loses the ball, so what? He's an absolutely outstanding player who contributes a hell of a lot to the way we play. I'd rather he lost the ball trying to be positive than just get it and do what Lucas does every time he gets it.

Then by that definition, Moses is a positive player as well 

Jokes aside, I just wanted to point out a few of his flaws. I mean, come on, you can't tell me that his shooting isn't absolutely horrible. I'm not for a minute suggesting that he's a bad player. On the contrary, he's one of our best. I just wanted to bring up a few points about him that haven't been discussed.

If I was Rodgers I'd tell him he's getting fined every time he shoots and doesn't score

[stmichael]

I know it sounds daft but he'd perform better if Suarez wasn't in the side. End of last season he was breathtaking at times and built up a brilliant understanding with Sturridge. Him and Suarez want to occupy a lot of the same space at times. He's wasted out wide as he's always looking to cut in and be more central.

[Stu the Red]

I know it sounds daft but he'd perform better if Suarez wasn't in the side. End of last season he was breathtaking at times and built up a brilliant understanding with Sturridge. Him and Suarez want to occupy a lot of the same space at times. He's wasted out wide as he's always looking to cut in and be more central.

Behave yourself...

When him and Suarez are in the same side linking up we look far better. He's a large part of the reason we've scored 19 goals in our 6 games... and 17 in 4 before the last two.

His passing, movement and intelligence creates so much space. Unfortunately against the better sides you need more than two good players to create chances.

[eds]

Not his best game against the soul-less plastic c**ts away but I'm sure we will see him do better against Hull.

[Red Focus]

This lad is a good trickster with the ball but still needs plenty of improvements in his finishing, through ball passes and keeping possession. He has the potential but he's still very young and needs as many first team football playtime as possible to build up his full potential. So in the meantime, we have to put up with his learning curve.

[Stu the Red]

This lad is a good trickster with the ball but still needs plenty of improvements in his finishing, through ball passes and keeping possession. He has the potential but he's still very young and needs as many first team football playtime as possible to build up his full potential. So in the meantime, we have to put up with his learning curve.

You are an idiot! End of!

"Put up with his learning curve"?

You're making it sound as if he's not our second best player!

[Red Focus]

This lad is a good trickster with the ball but still needs plenty of improvements in his finishing, through ball passes and keeping possession. He has the potential but he's still very young and needs as many first team football playtime as possible to build up his full potential. So in the meantime, we have to put up with his learning curve.

You are an idiot! End of!

"Put up with his learning curve"?

You're making it sound as if he's not our second best player!

LOL. I know you love the lad and so do I. But like damjan said, he still has many flaws in his game. If he were 30 years old and with those flaws, I'd say he has limitations but a young player at 21 with those flaws, I'd say he still has a long way to go before we can consider him to be in the same bracket as LS.  More than half of his goal attempts are way way off target, he is over ambitious in both his passing and dribbling and as a result he made so many poor passes and unnecessarily losing the ball to defenders when he could have passed it. Once he has polished his weaknesses in those 3 departments only then can we all consider him to have fulfilled his potentials. That's why  he's still in his learning curve and I expect him to be a great player for us in about 3 seasons time but not now.

[Red Focus]

Also, who is our 2nd best player is quite subjective. To me, our 2nd best player is either Sturridge whom I think averaged more than 1 goal/game OR Stevie who is a great leader on the field. These 2 guys have been sorely missed and I can't wait to see them return to play with LS.

[jacdaniel]

Think he is struggling a bit to find form. Even in bad form though, he is still a quality player! 
His finishing needs a bit of work though.

Gutted for him that he didn't score at the end yesterday, would have been a fantastic goal.

[maguskwt]

I know it sounds daft but he'd perform better if Suarez wasn't in the side. End of last season he was breathtaking at times and built up a brilliant understanding with Sturridge. Him and Suarez want to occupy a lot of the same space at times. He's wasted out wide as he's always looking to cut in and be more central.

Behave yourself...

When him and Suarez are in the same side linking up we look far better. He's a large part of the reason we've scored 19 goals in our 6 games... and 17 in 4 before the last two.

His passing, movement and intelligence creates so much space. Unfortunately against the better sides you need more than two good players to create chances.

I agree with st Michael... Coutinho and sturridge compliments each other better because sturridge is more direct. That's not to say that coutinho and Suarez couldn't play together but the reason we're scoring so many goals is more to do with Suarez's brilliance than the partnership between the 2. I think Henderson has assisted Suarez more than coutinho. But I wouldn't criticize coutinho as much as others on here. The team is definitely better with him than without. But his best position I believe is as AM in centre and when he is allowed to dictate the play...

[Stu the Red]

I know it sounds daft but he'd perform better if Suarez wasn't in the side. End of last season he was breathtaking at times and built up a brilliant understanding with Sturridge. Him and Suarez want to occupy a lot of the same space at times. He's wasted out wide as he's always looking to cut in and be more central.

Behave yourself...

When him and Suarez are in the same side linking up we look far better. He's a large part of the reason we've scored 19 goals in our 6 games... and 17 in 4 before the last two.

His passing, movement and intelligence creates so much space. Unfortunately against the better sides you need more than two good players to create chances.

I agree with st Michael... Coutinho and sturridge compliments each other better because sturridge is more direct. That's not to say that coutinho and Suarez couldn't play together but the reason we're scoring so many goals is more to do with Suarez's brilliance than the partnership between the 2. I think Henderson has assisted Suarez more than coutinho. But I wouldn't criticize coutinho as much as others on here. The team is definitely better with him than without. But his best position I believe is as AM in centre and when he is allowed to dictate the play...

Another one who can't see the wood for the trees.

Coutinho is creating masses of space for players to exploit with his passing and vision. He's linking with Suarez constantly and  just because he's not getting statistical assists doesn't mean he can't play with Suarez. Coutinho, Enrique and Suarez are on a different level in terms of intelligence in our squad. Allen and Henderson have thrived in recent games due to Suarez and Coutinho's influence and style's of play.

I find it laughable people saying he doesn't play well with Suarez. Infact, I'm at a loss to explain such an opinion, because quite simply, its wrong!

[aCe']

I actually think that Coutinho's contribution has dipped in the last few games. Dont really know if its fatigue or him being frustrated but I'd certainly expect more from him given his ability.

With everyone in the side, he's our 3rd best player and a big part of the reason why we control games against most opposition and find spaces in the final third. The main difference in the last few games is that hes been giving away possession far too cheaply for my liking. He's always done and he'll always do it because he tries the harder ball more often than not. But in the last few games, his decision making has been hit and miss. I think Rodgers probably has -rightly- asked Coutinho to add a few more goals to his game which he is very capable of doing. He needs to work on his finishing but he's young and improving so its not something to worry about.

On him and Suarez not linking up, thats nonsense. They connect well and create plenty of chances between them.
The difference between Coutinho-Suarez and Coutinho Sturridge is that Suarez drops much deeper and as such, Coutinho finds himself needing to move behind defenders rather than being on the ball in areas where he would perhaps prefer to. Sturridge on the other hand looks to move off the ball rather than carry it. I think that this is the point that some are trying to make but I cant honestly say that I'd prefer it over what we have now.