Luis Suarez signs for Barcelona

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Postby sgs » Fri Jul 26, 2013 10:37 pm

Benny The Noon » Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:17 pm wrote:
Again you seem to be totally missing the point

I believe Monreal is a better left back than Enrique

I believe Podolski provides a cutting edge in terms of power and has proven it both internationally for Germany - one of the best international teams currently playing and has also done it at one of the best club sides in Europe

You think different - excellent its called an opinion.



Podolski and cutting edge? Not in the last 5 years at club level (at least), and not in the last 3 years at NT level!

But I do understand your point about Carzola being the more experienced player than Coutinho; not the more talented, but more experienced.

Coutinho sees angles of the field, faster and at greater frequency than Carzola is capable of...

But both need to validate their games in their respective 2nd PL season.[/quote]

Coutinho has had a great start - he also did at Milan then drifted away - hopefully he has learnt from that. Believe a lot of expectation has been lumped on him right now. He won't always play as well he did last season - just hope he doesn't hide away when he does have a drop in form.

Needs to show the same ability from last season again this coming season - then we will know if we have a real player and hope we get CL to keep him[/quote]


He didn't 'drift away' at Inter (not Milan). He got injured and never got the run of games to re-establish himself.

The challenges ahead of him in the first full EPL season are no different from Carzola's...
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Postby Kenny Kan » Fri Jul 26, 2013 10:47 pm

I personally think the manager and the club thus far have played a blinder where this saga is concerned.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Fri Jul 26, 2013 10:48 pm

Well Cazorla is more established and has proven himself in La Liga and on the International stage - he performed how you would expect a player of his ability last season and expect him to perform to that high level again. But Cazorla is at a different stage in his career - Coutinho is looking to establish himself - build on his good start and develop further and gain the recognition his potential will deserve.

Coutinho will need to show that ability on the pitch consistently over the next season at the very least to start to establish himself - he has the ability to become a top player - now just needs to develop that ability
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Postby sgs » Fri Jul 26, 2013 10:51 pm

Benny The Noon » Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:48 pm wrote:Well Cazorla is more established and has proven himself in La Liga and on the International stage - he performed how you would expect a player of his ability last season and expect him to perform to that high level again. But Cazorla is at a different stage in his career - Coutinho is looking to establish himself - build on his good start and develop further and gain the recognition his potential will deserve.

Coutinho will need to show that ability on the pitch consistently over the next season at the very least to start to establish himself - he has the ability to become a top player - now just needs to develop that ability



You are right Carzola is an established international. But should he fail to repeat his good form last season, he will not be the first to falter in the 2nd season. It is never automatic and nothing guarantees it.

Both players have similar challenges, Cazorla's is simply at a later stage than Coutinho career wise...
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Postby bunglemark2 » Fri Jul 26, 2013 11:08 pm

People: STFU about Podolski. Who cares?
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Postby red till i die!! » Fri Jul 26, 2013 11:33 pm

sky news is reporting that marca is quoting bale as saying he has an agreement with levy that he can go due to the club not qualifying for the CL.
if he goes that will rule out madrids intentions in suarez and he could very well end up having to suck it up here if we dont sell to a rival.
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Postby Kenny Kan » Fri Jul 26, 2013 11:43 pm

red till i die!! » Fri Jul 26, 2013 10:33 pm wrote:sky news is reporting that marca is quoting bale as saying he has an agreement with levy that he can go due to the club not qualifying for the CL.
if he goes that will rule out madrids intentions in suarez and he could very well end up having to suck it up here if we dont sell to a rival.


Apparently Madrid have had discreet contact with Suarez during all this - he's apparently been advised by them not to do anything too hasty with Arsenal.  :suspect: But Madrid are prioritising Bale and Suarez has to wait and see how that pans out.
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Postby red till i die!! » Sat Jul 27, 2013 12:11 am

do you think real will meet the asking price for luis after shelling out £85mil to spudz ?
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Postby red till i die!! » Sat Jul 27, 2013 12:43 am

from the independent.

Luis Suarez would be happy for the Premier League to step in and settle his contract-clause dispute with Liverpool such is the conviction of the player and his agent, Pere Guardiola, that they are in the right.

The League may offer to mediate in the row between Liverpool and Arsenal, and the player’s camp are  understood to welcome independent arbitration stressing that both verbal and written assurances were given in the renegotiation of the Uruguayan striker’s contract last summer.

Guardiola maintains that it is Liverpool who have changed their  position on allowing Suarez to leave for a bid of over £40m. Arsenal are  confident that the Merseyside club will ultimately allow them to speak to Suarez and believe they are currently stalling in the hope that other clubs enter the race.

Liverpool would prefer to sell to someone outside the Premier League and have been frustrated by Real Madrid’s apparent lack of interest. Real have told their young strikers Jese Rodriguez and Alvaro Morata that no more forwards will be bought this summer, leaving their path clear to the first team.

Real showed an interest in Suarez earlier in the summer and believe personal terms with the forward would be quickly agreed. But they were also made aware of the buy-out clause and baulked at the £40m price tag. The Real president, Florentino Perez, would prefer to concentrate on raising the necessary funds to sign Gareth Bale this summer or next year.

Bale fits the profile of an ideal Perez signing with the sort of commercial  appeal that Suarez does not have. Madrid would take 50 per cent of Bale’s image rights, an operation that would not be as lucrative in Suarez’s case.

Missing out definitively on the Tottenham forward this summer and any continuation of Wednesday’s lack-lustre pre-season form could yet see Real reconsider on Suarez. The Spanish side were unimpressive in their second pre-season friendly against Lyons, scrambling to a 2-2 draw and if their form does not pick up, attitudes  towards Suarez could change.

Zinedine Zidane, new coach Carlo Ancelotti’s assistant but already having a major say in the way the team plays and the players they look to sign, wants the club to put its trust not just in the youngsters but in French forward Karim Benzema.

However, Benzema failed to score in the 6-0 win over Bournemouth at the weekend and was poor against Lyons in a new-look front three, playing to the left of Cristiano Ronaldo.

Asked about Arsenal’s bid for Suarez, Chelsea manager, Jose Mourinho, said tonight after his team’s 8-1 win over Indonesia All-Stars in Jakarta: “I have no idea of the situation and no idea of the contractual situation of Luis Suarez but if Arsenal has economic potential to buy and the manager decides he is the perfect buy for them, it is normal to make a big offer. I have no idea how it will go.”

On Merseyside, former Liverpool striker John Aldridge joined the chorus of fans accusing Suarez of a “massive lack of loyalty” by his desire to leave the club. Aldridge said Suarez owed a debt of gratitude to the club for sticking by him after his racism and biting controversies.

He said: “There’s a massive lack of loyalty there and especially the way Liverpool have stuck by Luis. Not everything’s all about money.

“It’s different with Luis Suarez because of the positions he’s put Liverpool in over the last couple of years and they’ve stuck by him. The fans have been loyal, the manager’s been loyal, his comrades have been loyal, and the hierarchy have been loyal. They’ve done everything in their power to back him up and he’s basically put a custard pie in everyone’s face.”

PERE GUARDIOLA: WHO IS HE?

The younger brother of Bayern Munich coach, Pep Guardiola, will play a large part in where Luis Suarez plays next season. Not dissimilar in appearance to the former Barcelona coach, Pere has looked after Suarez since his Ajax days.

From Barcelona, where his Media Base Sports company is located, he also manages among others Andres Iniesta, Thiago Alcantara and young Arsenal midfielder Jon Miquel Toral Harper. He worked alongside current Barcelona president, Sandro Rosell, as a Nike executive. Many Barça fans believe had his brother Pep not been coach at the time, Suarez may have gone to the Nou Camp instead of to Liverpool in 2011.

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Postby laza » Sat Jul 27, 2013 12:49 am

Redman in wales » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:50 am wrote:Rory Smith of the times is reporting that we've told Arsenal that we have no intention of selling Suarez in any circumstances to a rival yeam



What..... :no     shows lack of ambition by FSG by limiting our selling options :D
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Postby laza » Sat Jul 27, 2013 12:53 am

Kenny Kan » Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:47 am wrote:I personally think the manager and the club thus far have played a blinder where this saga is concerned.



Hear hear but that wont stop people at using this player created saga at taking political potshots at manager or the owners
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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat Jul 27, 2013 1:48 am

Kenny Kan » Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:55 pm wrote:
Redman in wales » Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:50 pm wrote:Rory Smith of the times is reporting that we've told Arsenal that we have no intention of selling Suarez in any circumstances to a rival yeam


Yup, I've seen that.

Perhaps they heard Yakka ranting and raving yesterday and acted upon it.  :D


it`s not just me kenny, selling suarez to arsenal would go down like a lead balloon in liverpool.
the club arent soft, most of the people who work there are based in and around the city or in the suburbs and they know how that would go down.
the club were very lucky with the torres situation, there was outrage when they sold him to chelsea but that was tempered somewhat by torres`s form tanking and suarez being such a good player, but if that situation would have been reversed (i.e - torres being on fire for chelsea and suarez flopping here) the phone lines to radio merseyside would have been melting and season ticket renawal forms would have been getting ripped up and lashed into stanley park lake.
i wouldnt mind but arsenal arent a great side by any means, they had their own problems last season and wenger came pretty close to losing his job, they were boo`d off the pitch plenty of times and the thing that probably saved them in the end was the fixture list, not only did they have a great run in spurs had about as tough a run in as you can get.
they are very catchable so why the ***** would we sell them our best player?
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Postby Kenny Kan » Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:15 am

I agree. I wouldn't want us to sell Suarez to Arsenal. I believe the club will do all it can to keep it that way, however, if for some reason Suarez and his agent were able to push a move through to Arsenal - I wouldn't say it's been for a lack of trying on LFC's part. And like I said, so far I think the club and manager have handled this well.
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Postby devaney » Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:56 am

I think I will reserve judgement on how the club have handled the Suarez affair until a legal determination has been applied to the contract. Seems ridiculous that there is any potential ambiguity whatsoever within the contract buts that's fkg lawyers for you. If we have to sell Suarez for £40m plus a £1 the it is a monumental mess.
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Postby maguskwt » Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:26 am

Agree with both ycsat and Kenny. However if we receive a bid of 50 million and upwards, is it wise to keep a wantaway and an unhappy player?
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