Liverpool FC Forum

[Kenny Kan]

lets just say that the Mersey Docks and Harbour Board as they were known back then ,were considerably better off than they were
in 1989, when the Conservative government led by Margaret Thatcher, deemed it necessary to  snatch away  the guaranteed
lifetime employment that was a pre requisite for any dock employee after a certain amount of years ,this abolition enabled The
Mersey Docks and Harbour board to clip its payroll. subsequently leading to 600 jobs being cut,and then casual labour was drafted
in to replace the workers they had paid off through the governments severance funding scheme..... better known as the
casualisation of Dock workers. Needless to say many families from the City were divided ,some like my Dad's best mate who
decided to cross the picket line ,an act so seemingly unforgivable that even to this day they have never spoken.   


I know this because I was the son of a Liverpool Docker,not a gobby little know all on a football forum who needs to shut the f*ck
up from time to time.

You idiot. Nobody on here doesn't sympathize with the plight of Dockers and the like.

If you care to actually read what I have been saying, instead of furthering your myopic view to skew and suit was that: ALL WASN'T WELL IN BRITAIN PRIOR TO THATCHERS ARRIVAL.

Just on the notion of people deciding to cross the picket line though: that was the bully boy nature of the Trade Unions who didn't even give a person the democratic ballot vote to strike, so while you blame Thatcher solely for this, it hasn't gone unnoticed that champagne socialists like Arthur Scargill used workers as pawns to further their political gains, they literally bullied them into strikes - like Jamie Reed stated "honesty is a two way street" something that those who are blind cannot see. Thatcher and the Trade Unions used these poor workers as collateral damage to justify their means. Thatcher was callous and she spited the Trade Unions by putting an extra ~1.5million people out of work, throughout the UK - not just Liverpool - this is also text book monetarism theory, done to keep inflation low. But make no bones about it she did it to spite the all to powerful unions who were running the Callaghan government.

Some of these "gobby little know all's" can see both sides of the argument and the failings and flaws of both, not one polarized version of one and not the other.

[Kenny Kan]

I can't think of anyone else in my lifetime who has been quite as divisive as Margaret Thatcher.

I'm the Son of a Miner and a survivor from Hillsborough - I've shed enough tears already on account of that woman so you will have to forgive me if I'm all cried out !

I am disappointed that the media have chosen to highlight the actions of a small minority of people throwing parties and not commended the restraint and respect that the vast majority of people have shown.

It makes me want to puke listening to the platitudes and sycophantic gushings of folks like David Cameron and others. You would think the woman had walked on water and solved the world's problems single handidly given the ***** comments about making Britain great again ! All this from the same Tories who became so agog at her increasingly erratic comments and behavior that they stuck the knife in and sent her on her way.It's a sad indictment on the Labour Party that they were so divided and discorded that they couldn't mount a serious campaign to see her tenure shortened and it was left to her own to oust her.

There's a mantra going around at the moment about respecting the dead whilst ignoring the fact that MT didn't respect the living when they didn't fit into her twisted view of the world ! Her treatment of the Miners, Nelson Mandela, Football fans, Women, The Belgrano, fellow MP's and anyone who got in her way didn't reek of respect to me.

Bob Marley sang a song which makes me think of Thatcher, its appropriate for me  ............. No Woman, No Cry. That is my epitath to Margaret Thatcher.

Good post Daggers ,but you do know emotional retorts are not acceptable to some on this forum ,much better you post some article from the Telegraph
stating just how much worse we could have been if not for her many interventions for the common good.

What about the article posted from the lefty Labour PM?

Glossed over that one didn't you Mr revisionist.

[Kenny Kan]

Listen ?  If you're rich ,by all means jump in with both feet ,like those two working class heroes 'Ant and Dec ,but for f*ck sake unless your rolling
in the stuff like the two detestable little ***** I've just mentioned, wake up!   

The politics of the spite and envy brigade.

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

What about the article posted from the lefty Labour PM?

Glossed over that one didn't you Mr revisionist.

No, I  just didn't bother reading it ,  btw it took you long enough to add a rebuff, whereas I just write things off the cuff. Usually because they're
things I've said and something I have strong beliefs over  and not some rhetoric spiel that's been said more times than Cameron's had a sniff of
Thatchers bed sheets..... Polarised I may be ,stringent and unmoveable also,but I'm no fence sitter me. I never take time to think about it  ,or slink
away to compose my words.   

Mr Revisionist how grand a title  I suppose its better than 'idiot' though ,you even left enough room for a proposal with that one. 

[Kenny Kan]

What about the article posted from the lefty Labour PM?

Glossed over that one didn't you Mr revisionist.

No, I  just didn't bother reading it ,  btw it took you long enough to add a rebuff, whereas I just write things off the cuff. Usually because they're
things I've said and something I have strong beliefs over  and not some rhetoric spiel that's been said more times than Cameron's had a sniff of
Thatchers bed sheets..... Polarised I may be ,stringent and unmoveable also,but I'm no fence sitter me. I never take time to think about it  ,or slink
away to compose my words.   

Mr Revisionist how grand a title  I suppose its better than 'idiot' though ,you even left enough room for a proposal with that one. 

Eh? I actually have a life outside this forum you know.

The only regurgitated spiel being rehashed in here is the Orwellian socialist dreamers bilge of that over on RAWK, who have about as much credibility as the Tooting Popular Front http://www.tootingpopularfront.com/. Perhaps you should stick to posting over there, that way you'd all agree - how very cosy & democratic

If I'm not considered worthy of supporting Liverpool FC because I'm not of the militant Marxist type, not a wacky socialist, not a New Labour voter, don't pi$$ on the graves of the dead when calling for justice for 96 - then so be it because I certainly don't tick all those boxes. F.uck it.

[devaney]

Listen ?  If you're rich ,by all means jump in with both feet ,like those two working class heroes 'Ant and Dec ,but for f*ck sake unless your rolling
in the stuff like the two detestable little ***** I've just mentioned, wake up!   

The politics of the spite and envy brigade.

A couple of lads who have successfully got off their backsides, and made something of their lives, instead of expecting someone to give them a job for life is probably a little bit too difficult for some people to understand.

I was no fan of Thatcher but I would never reduce myself to write some of the shameful insults that have a appeared on this forum. The woman is dead. Isn't that enough for those of you with one directional spectacles. I also worked on the Liverpool docks during the sixties, admittedly not as a docker, so I have a very clear understanding of the problems that existed.

[Benny The Noon]

lets just say that the Mersey Docks and Harbour Board as they were known back then ,were considerably better off than they were
in 1989, when the Conservative government led by Margaret Thatcher, deemed it necessary to  snatch away  the guaranteed
lifetime employment that was a pre requisite for any dock employee after a certain amount of years ,this abolition enabled The
Mersey Docks and Harbour board to clip its payroll. subsequently leading to 600 jobs being cut,and then casual labour was drafted
in to replace the workers they had paid off through the governments severance funding scheme..... better known as the
casualisation of Dock workers. Needless to say many families from the City were divided ,some like my Dad's best mate who
decided to cross the picket line ,an act so seemingly unforgivable that even to this day they have never spoken.   


I know this because I was the son of a Liverpool Docker,not a gobby little know all on a football forum who needs to shut the f*ck
up from time to time.

But it wasnt a thriving industry - it was an industry losing money ( tax payers ) at an alarming rate - the same with the car industry and steel and coal - everything was failing and losing money - whilst this was happening the Unions were demanding more and more money - money the country couldn't pay.

The government in the short term could have possibly bailed them out but due to high costs and cheaper alternatives around the world it was unsustainable. Something had to give.

Everyone feels sympathy for the workers who lost their jobs - as I said early both my uncles in Belfast lost theirs in the plane industry. But Thatcher did what she did because of the mess from the previous government - it wasnt nice and she went about it the wrong way but it was needed.

It's the same with the cuts the country is having to suffer now - they are needed because of what the previous government did.

It's very easy to blame everything on the Conservative Governments - but it's convieniently forgetten by people the reasons why - to try and recover from the mistakes from the previous Labour Government

And before you ask I'm neither Tory or Labour - I don't believe in either of them

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

Listen ?  If you're rich ,by all means jump in with both feet ,like those two working class heroes 'Ant and Dec ,but for f*ck sake unless your rolling
in the stuff like the two detestable little ***** I've just mentioned, wake up!   

The politics of the spite and envy brigade.

A couple of lads who have successfully got off their backsides, and made something of their lives, instead of expecting someone to give them a job for life is probably a little bit too difficult for some people to understand.

I was no fan of Thatcher but I would never reduce myself to write some of the shameful insults that have a appeared on this forum. The woman is dead. Isn't that enough for those of you with one directional spectacles. I also worked on the Liverpool docks during the sixties, admittedly not as a docker, so I have a very clear understanding of the problems that existed.

Yes, I would hazard a guess you weren't a Docker,office snide maybe ,but Docker no.

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

Eh? I actually have a life outside this forum you know.

The only regurgitated spiel being rehashed in here is the Orwellian socialist dreamers bilge of that over on RAWK, who have about as much credibility as the Tooting Popular Front http://www.tootingpopularfront.com/. Perhaps you should stick to posting over there, that way you'd all agree - how very cosy & democratic

If I'm not considered worthy of supporting Liverpool FC because I'm not of the militant Marxist type, not a wacky socialist, not a New Labour voter, don't pi$$ on the graves of the dead when calling for justice for 96 - then so be it because I certainly don't tick all those boxes. F.uck it.

It must be a veritable walk in the park being a neutralist ,but just for the sake of the self effacing stance you seem to revel in ,lets attempt an
explanation. Firstly I have never frequented RAWK in any capacity ,nor do I ever intend to do so .So I apologise for diffusing that particular
analogy you seem intent on casting every time those over active digits smash against your keyboard. As for being Marxist ,I can assure you
I have no wish to follow such flawed ideals. If you wish to discuss Atomism and other ancient Greek philosophies which fall in line with Marx's
theoretical concepts ,then find someone else as it bores me rigid.

Also, I don't believe I have ever stated a Tory couldn't support Liverpool ,I think I said it was becoming tiresome that the copy and paste generals
were having the time of their lives posting up Tory propaganda on a site specifically for Liverpool supporters.... Also you were not even in my
thoughts when I made reference to a 'jumped up little know all' ,but your colossal ego jumped straight in and added assumption to your list of insults.

Although as a disclaimer you're correct on one thing "FUCK IT" never a truer word spoken.

[SouthCoastShankly]

Eh? I actually have a life outside this forum you know.

The only regurgitated spiel being rehashed in here is the Orwellian socialist dreamers bilge of that over on RAWK, who have about as much credibility as the Tooting Popular Front http://www.tootingpopularfront.com/. Perhaps you should stick to posting over there, that way you'd all agree - how very cosy & democratic

If I'm not considered worthy of supporting Liverpool FC because I'm not of the militant Marxist type, not a wacky socialist, not a New Labour voter, don't pi$$ on the graves of the dead when calling for justice for 96 - then so be it because I certainly don't tick all those boxes. F.uck it.

It must be a veritable walk in the park being a neutralist ,but just for the sake of the self effacing stance you seem to revel in ,lets attempt an
explanation. Firstly I have never frequented RAWK in any capacity ,nor do I ever intend to do so .So I apologise for diffusing that particular
analogy you seem intent on casting every time those over active digits smash against your keyboard. As for being Marxist ,I can assure you
I have no wish to follow such flawed ideals. If you wish to discuss Atomism and other ancient Greek philosophies which fall in line with Marx's
theoretical concepts ,then find someone else as it bores me rigid.

Also, I don't believe I have ever stated a Tory couldn't support Liverpool ,I think I said it was becoming tiresome that the copy and paste generals
were having the time of their lives posting up Tory propaganda on a site specifically for Liverpool supporters.... Also you were not even in my
thoughts when I made reference to a 'jumped up little know all' ,but your colossal ego jumped straight in and added assumption to your list of insults.

Although as a disclaimer you're correct on one thing "FUCK IT" never a truer word spoken.

For what it's worth (very little I suspect) - I pasted the Times article because

1) It is behind a paywall, I subscribe to the newspaper so I thought I relieve you all of the duty to sign up.
2) I thought the article would be of interest to the discussion, not Tory propaganda pushing as you have previously suggested.

[supersub]

I can't think of anyone else in my lifetime who has been quite as divisive as Margaret Thatcher.

I'm the Son of a Miner and a survivor from Hillsborough - I've shed enough tears already on account of that woman so you will have to forgive me if I'm all cried out !

I am disappointed that the media have chosen to highlight the actions of a small minority of people throwing parties and not commended the restraint and respect that the vast majority of people have shown.

It makes me want to puke listening to the platitudes and sycophantic gushings of folks like David Cameron and others. You would think the woman had walked on water and solved the world's problems single handidly given the ***** comments about making Britain great again ! All this from the same Tories who became so agog at her increasingly erratic comments and behavior that they stuck the knife in and sent her on her way.It's a sad indictment on the Labour Party that they were so divided and discorded that they couldn't mount a serious campaign to see her tenure shortened and it was left to her own to oust her.

There's a mantra going around at the moment about respecting the dead whilst ignoring the fact that MT didn't respect the living when they didn't fit into her twisted view of the world ! Her treatment of the Miners, Nelson Mandela, Football fans, Women, The Belgrano, fellow MP's and anyone who got in her way didn't reek of respect to me.

Bob Marley sang a song which makes me think of Thatcher, its appropriate for me  ............. No Woman, No Cry. That is my epitath to Margaret Thatcher.

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

For what it's worth (very little I suspect) - I pasted the Times article because

1) It is behind a paywall, I subscribe to the newspaper so I thought I relieve you all of the duty to sign up.
2) I thought the article would be of interest to the discussion, not Tory propaganda pushing as you have previously suggested.

Once again assumptions are being made that I would care little if you proffered an explanation ,let me just say this is completely
incorrect and I welcome your elucidation.

[SouthCoastShankly]

For what it's worth (very little I suspect) - I pasted the Times article because

1) It is behind a paywall, I subscribe to the newspaper so I thought I relieve you all of the duty to sign up.
2) I thought the article would be of interest to the discussion, not Tory propaganda pushing as you have previously suggested.

Once again assumptions are being made that I would care little if you proffered an explanation ,let me just say this is completely
incorrect and I welcome your elucidation.

I pretty sure the word 'elucidation' is reserved wholly for use by Tory peers only.

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

For what it's worth (very little I suspect) - I pasted the Times article because

1) It is behind a paywall, I subscribe to the newspaper so I thought I relieve you all of the duty to sign up.
2) I thought the article would be of interest to the discussion, not Tory propaganda pushing as you have previously suggested.

Once again assumptions are being made that I would care little if you proffered an explanation ,let me just say this is completely
incorrect and I welcome your elucidation.

I pretty sure the word 'elucidation' is reserved wholly for use by Tory peers only.

Eleven letter word for 'by means of clarification' actually .... 

[SouthCoastShankly]

I was aware...