Liverpool FC Forum

[stmichael]

The new owners are going down the same road as Arsenal have been for the past 5 or so years, everyone expected them to throw money at the club and compete with United, City and Chelsea but they have to sort out the mess that H & G left behind, once the books have been balanced and the club is in a better state financially I expect them to sell, especially since the fans have really started to get on their backs now.

You only have to watch the film Moneyball with Brad Pitt to realise how they run business 

welcome back mate

[metalhead]

The new owners are going down the same road as Arsenal have been for the past 5 or so years, everyone expected them to throw money at the club and compete with United, City and Chelsea but they have to sort out the mess that H & G left behind, once the books have been balanced and the club is in a better state financially I expect them to sell, especially since the fans have really started to get on their backs now.

You only have to watch the film Moneyball with Brad Pitt to realise how they run business 

Good post

AND WELCOME BACK!

[Paul C]

Thanks all, seems like things have settled down here now and all the muppets have left

[devaney]

Thanks all, seems like things have settled down here now and all the muppets have left

Well nearly !! It is a work in progress !!

[alwayslfc]

I am sick of FSG and there is no future for Liverpool as long as they're owners. Looks like they are trying to make LFC financially healthy again after the mess created by their previous 2 countrymen. Once the finance side is healthy again and scary to think by then where we will be in the table and which one of our players have been signed by the richer clubs, I hope they will sell up to a mega rich owner. Ian Ayre and FSG you guys are not going to bring back the glory days for Liverpool and the fact that the former R.Sox manager have written a tell-all book about FSG doesn't make the club's future any more secure.

[Homebooby]

Thanks all, seems like things have settled down here now and all the muppets have left

Some of us are still here 

[Paul C]

I think FSG are slowly taking a back seat at LFC, I know their main priority to the Red Sox like but you don't see/hear anything from Werner & Henry anymore, I understand the Glazers don't come from under their stone often but they are backing Fergie so no one at The Theater of Silence really care, where FSG have left Brendan out to dry regards transfers and fans are getting slowly but surely quite annoyed with them.

I don't know exactly what their intentions are but they aren't going to win things at LFC by trying to attract world class players with £60-80k a week when other clubs come along and snap them up from under our noses. 

[red till i die!!]

I think FSG are slowly taking a back seat at LFC, I know their main priority to the Red Sox like but you don't see/hear anything from Werner & Henry anymore, I understand the Glazers don't come from under their stone often but they are backing Fergie so no one at The Theater of Silence really care, where FSG have left Brendan out to dry regards transfers and fans are getting slowly but surely quite annoyed with them.

I don't know exactly what their intentions are but they aren't going to win things at LFC by trying to attract world class players with £60-80k a week when other clubs come along and snap them up from under our noses. 

the glazers dont really interfere in the football side of the club they have a decent board in place and a manager to make those decisions for them. they probably arent knowledgeble regarding football so are happy to leave it to the people who do. thats the difference between them and our lot.
we have no board except for an incompetent M.D and a very young inexperienced manager so i dont know what the are really expecting.
they have no problem paying contracts at the sox worth 100's of millions of dollars to players so im at a loss as to why they seem to be so cheap when financing our players.
werner comes across as a numpty with some of the stuff he has come out and said and looks like he's living in la-la land.

[Penguins]

Well, I think their plan was to massivly spend att first to get us back into the CL, and then try to do as Arsenal, get to the CL with no real demand to win trophies.
Why?
Americans have always the same priorities

1. Money
2. Money
3. Money

Problem is they have no real clue how sport works over in Europe. The Youth road is wrong in so many ways it would take time just to go through all the reasons.
Also that money they invested and got from the sales of Rafa's players was just wasted on hugely overpaying on british players.
Sooner or later they will be forced to sell otherwise we will just limp around season after season midtable with the best players wanting to leave and
no top quality wanting to come.
Because, I am convinced we will never see the kind of spending we have seen so far from FSG.

[Eagle]

The Youth road is wrong in so many ways it would take time just to go through all the reasons.

So Fergie was wrong with his approach that ended with Man Utd winning their first title in over 20 years? And the current champions of Spain, Germany and Holland are all wrong in their approach? I guess we’ll just have to take your word for it.

The majority of our signings at this stage should be aged between 20-25.

[Homebooby]

Mr.Ayre the MD is either an idiot or thinks we're idiots. In this article he said Liverpool can still attract the best players in the world. Let me ask him this, "To do that, don't you think the club needs CL football, winning trophies and with mega rich owners?" Do we have these critieria? None, period.

He seems to think just because we have the history and that would be enough. To hell with your history, world class players today are mercenaric and they demand CL football and cup glories not playing for a mid table side that you and FSG have put Liverpool into now.

http://my.news.yahoo.com/ayre-liverpool ... --sow.html

There is no doubt that Ian Ayre is a complete idiot, also there is no doubt that we will not win the league until we get bought by a billionaire who is willing to pump £200million+ into the club, plus has the vision to appoint a top notch DOF and Chief Executive.

Isn't this the usual spiel that upper management are obliged to trot out in order to keep confidence high in the business? I would be stunned if any of the powers that be are anything less than totally aware of what is needed and the cost implications. From what I can see we're in the business of keeping us out of the press for the wrong reasons, restoring some faith in the club and making it more attractive for people to come and work at. I personally have no issue with that and think that they are doing a reasonable job on that front considering where we were a few years ago. Even looking at the H&G case that just hit the news, it was little less than a murmur and that's progress indeed imho.

Clearly we're setting a new culture in place that we're no longer a soft touch and won't be dictated to by players or agents anymore, which I have no issue with. The fact that we're not just doing this alone, but collectively moving to end the age of the sugar daddy owners with other premiership clubs is an interesting and smart move I think. In a negotiation you need to be believable that you will walk away from a deal and I think we set a precedent with Dempsey in the summer. That stands us in different stead for the negotiations now and will further do so in the 2013 summer window too. Combine that with encouraging players like Sterling to repay the faith and opportunity they have been afforded by proving themselves, I think we've turned a corner. It will be interesting to see how the Sneijder deal turns out because contrary to a lot of beliefs on here regarding FSG policy, they have always said there is money there for slightly older players if they are the right type of player needed.

A final note on the football scene today and the sugar daddy, look at what is happening at Chelsea now....turned down by top managers who don't want to deal with Abramovich, fans turning on the manager before he even arrives, star players being poorly treated due to bad performance, legends at the club being shown the door with little or no empathy....it's a clear picture for the working footballer too. The rewards are high, but the pressure is even higher. Positioning ourselves as a club who supports its' manager and players that are motivated for the club and not only profit could well bring us a competitive advantage in the next couple of decades. Chelsea is clearly falling apart, who knows what might happen to Man City, perhaps they go the same way when Mancini moves on. He doesn't strike me as someone there for a long haul, he'll make his point and then move somewhere else. Fergie is in his dotage now, the club will probably never see the likes of him again either. The chances of them following a similar path of confusion as we have since the boot room days is strong. we're entering into a new era of football I think and maybe, just maybe we're doing the right things ahead of others.

[sixbuster]

Mr.Ayre the MD is either an idiot or thinks we're idiots. In this article he said Liverpool can still attract the best players in the world. Let me ask him this, "To do that, don't you think the club needs CL football, winning trophies and with mega rich owners?" Do we have these critieria? None, period.

He seems to think just because we have the history and that would be enough. To hell with your history, world class players today are mercenaric and they demand CL football and cup glories not playing for a mid table side that you and FSG have put Liverpool into now.

http://my.news.yahoo.com/ayre-liverpool ... --sow.html

There is no doubt that Ian Ayre is a complete idiot, also there is no doubt that we will not win the league until we get bought by a billionaire who is willing to pump £200million+ into the club, plus has the vision to appoint a top notch DOF and Chief Executive.

Isn't this the usual spiel that upper management are obliged to trot out in order to keep confidence high in the business? I would be stunned if any of the powers that be are anything less than totally aware of what is needed and the cost implications. From what I can see we're in the business of keeping us out of the press for the wrong reasons, restoring some faith in the club and making it more attractive for people to come and work at. I personally have no issue with that and think that they are doing a reasonable job on that front considering where we were a few years ago. Even looking at the H&G case that just hit the news, it was little less than a murmur and that's progress indeed imho.

Clearly we're setting a new culture in place that we're no longer a soft touch and won't be dictated to by players or agents anymore, which I have no issue with. The fact that we're not just doing this alone, but collectively moving to end the age of the sugar daddy owners with other premiership clubs is an interesting and smart move I think. In a negotiation you need to be believable that you will walk away from a deal and I think we set a precedent with Dempsey in the summer. That stands us in different stead for the negotiations now and will further do so in the 2013 summer window too. Combine that with encouraging players like Sterling to repay the faith and opportunity they have been afforded by proving themselves, I think we've turned a corner. It will be interesting to see how the Sneijder deal turns out because contrary to a lot of beliefs on here regarding FSG policy, they have always said there is money there for slightly older players if they are the right type of player needed.

A final note on the football scene today and the sugar daddy, look at what is happening at Chelsea now....turned down by top managers who don't want to deal with Abramovich, fans turning on the manager before he even arrives, star players being poorly treated due to bad performance, legends at the club being shown the door with little or no empathy....it's a clear picture for the working footballer too. The rewards are high, but the pressure is even higher. Positioning ourselves as a club who supports its' manager and players that are motivated for the club and not only profit could well bring us a competitive advantage in the next couple of decades. Chelsea is clearly falling apart, who knows what might happen to Man City, perhaps they go the same way when Mancini moves on. He doesn't strike me as someone there for a long haul, he'll make his point and then move somewhere else. Fergie is in his dotage now, the club will probably never see the likes of him again either. The chances of them following a similar path of confusion as we have since the boot room days is strong. we're entering into a new era of football I think and maybe, just maybe we're doing the right things ahead of others.

[eds]

Mr.Ayre the MD is either an idiot or thinks we're idiots. In this article he said Liverpool can still attract the best players in the world. Let me ask him this, "To do that, don't you think the club needs CL football, winning trophies and with mega rich owners?" Do we have these critieria? None, period.

He seems to think just because we have the history and that would be enough. To hell with your history, world class players today are mercenaric and they demand CL football and cup glories not playing for a mid table side that you and FSG have put Liverpool into now.

http://my.news.yahoo.com/ayre-liverpool ... --sow.html

There is no doubt that Ian Ayre is a complete idiot, also there is no doubt that we will not win the league until we get bought by a billionaire who is willing to pump £200million+ into the club, plus has the vision to appoint a top notch DOF and Chief Executive.

Isn't this the usual spiel that upper management are obliged to trot out in order to keep confidence high in the business? I would be stunned if any of the powers that be are anything less than totally aware of what is needed and the cost implications. From what I can see we're in the business of keeping us out of the press for the wrong reasons, restoring some faith in the club and making it more attractive for people to come and work at. I personally have no issue with that and think that they are doing a reasonable job on that front considering where we were a few years ago. Even looking at the H&G case that just hit the news, it was little less than a murmur and that's progress indeed imho.

Clearly we're setting a new culture in place that we're no longer a soft touch and won't be dictated to by players or agents anymore, which I have no issue with. The fact that we're not just doing this alone, but collectively moving to end the age of the sugar daddy owners with other premiership clubs is an interesting and smart move I think. In a negotiation you need to be believable that you will walk away from a deal and I think we set a precedent with Dempsey in the summer. That stands us in different stead for the negotiations now and will further do so in the 2013 summer window too. Combine that with encouraging players like Sterling to repay the faith and opportunity they have been afforded by proving themselves, I think we've turned a corner. It will be interesting to see how the Sneijder deal turns out because contrary to a lot of beliefs on here regarding FSG policy, they have always said there is money there for slightly older players if they are the right type of player needed.

A final note on the football scene today and the sugar daddy, look at what is happening at Chelsea now....turned down by top managers who don't want to deal with Abramovich, fans turning on the manager before he even arrives, star players being poorly treated due to bad performance, legends at the club being shown the door with little or no empathy....it's a clear picture for the working footballer too. The rewards are high, but the pressure is even higher. Positioning ourselves as a club who supports its' manager and players that are motivated for the club and not only profit could well bring us a competitive advantage in the next couple of decades. Chelsea is clearly falling apart, who knows what might happen to Man City, perhaps they go the same way when Mancini moves on. He doesn't strike me as someone there for a long haul, he'll make his point and then move somewhere else. Fergie is in his dotage now, the club will probably never see the likes of him again either. The chances of them following a similar path of confusion as we have since the boot room days is strong. we're entering into a new era of football I think and maybe, just maybe we're doing the right things ahead of others.

I actually agree with what you are saying but they are all romantic notions at best.

Abramovich will be turned down by just as many top managers as the ones he will attract, take a look at the long list of actual quality managers Cheatski have had since he has been owner? Outside of Rafa and to an extent Grant most their 'fans' have probably been quiet loyal to the rest. Didn't they sign a massive petition to keep Guus a view years back?  The rewards are high because the paycheck is the best on the planet and will continue to be. Regardless of our opinions, it will still keep bringing quality managers to that club and Citeh. As for your point on us becoming the "a club who supports its' manager and players that are motivated for the club and not only profit", it won't matter a single fkning iota if we can't provide regular CHAMPIONS LEAGUE football or challenge for titles, year in year out.

Chelsea and the likes of City WILL NOT FALL APART, while the rich Russian and Arabs are there. The only way that this will change (and these clubs do self implode) is if FIFA, UEFA and the FA come down on these fkers hard. And I'm not talking about this Financial Fair Play rubbish, which has been a load of bs from day 1. No I am talking about putting proper rules and regulations in place to stop these billionaire playboys from destroying the best sport in the world. This new era you talk about will NOT happen until such measures are taken. FSG actually have a solid strategy in place but the problem is the playing field and what needs to be done to even it. After the recent days of seeing the shambles that cycling is in after the Farce Armstrong saga, I can't help to think whether our great game will go the same way with its incompetence and corrupt mismanagement. You only need to look at FIFA and the awarding of WC2022 to Qatar to see what I am talking about.

[dundreamin]

FSG? FOS more like FULL OF S.HIT

[dundreamin]

FSG? FOS more like FULL OF S.HIT