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[Reg]

Have a word with yourself.

'Hello self, is that you?'
'No mate he's out'
'Ok I'll call back later'.
click.....

[Kenny Kan]

I think that one is permanently 'out'.

[eds]

You obviously haven't read Boxcarf's opinions on Suarez. This little hypocrit advocated selling Suarez because he doesn't like the controversy that follows him. And he was quite vociferous about it too, apparently Suarez's celebration against Mansfield the other night made him sick. Here in this post, he's changing his tune somewhat but it doesn't disguise the fact that this little Sky generation fan wants Suarez gone because of the overwhelming media witch hunt that surrounds Luis.

I'm a supporter of this club, not of any single footballer and if a footballer is bringing this great club's name into disrepute or is tarnishing the image of this club, then I will come out in defence of my club. Anyone would think Suarez is the life and soul of this club, the way you carry on, you'll be launching an online petition to have Anfield renamed the 'Luis Suarez Stadium' before too long. I like Suarez, but I don't like his reputation and it's that reputation which has cost us dear both in points on the field and has seen our image and reputation take a battering over the last two years. This lastest incident has only further added to be tarnished reputation of this club. It's not fair on this club to have its name and badge sullied by the actions of one individual.

That single individual plays for this club and it's ONLY this club and the majority of it's supporters who stand behind Suarez. Of course, your more concerned with a players reputation than the value of his unquestionable ability to this club/team. An ability which not just shows up in the form of skill but the ability to actually give a f.uck and try his utmost week in week out for this club when others around him have become shrinking violets. The bloke has more guts and determination in his belly than any of our other lads - and we haven't even gotten to his skill set yet. So, just because you buy a few tabloids, read too much sky and digest them both as biblical readings and thus bow to the pressures of the media and 'other' fans, don't expect every other 'Pool fan to do the same; or heed your silly advice when advocating the sale of our best player just because a few Mancs don't like him.

Have a word with yourself.

Couldn't have put in better myself Kenny.

How are you supposed to back our club but not back our very own players? What a stupid notion.

Everyone on this forum and who knows our club inside out feels that the witch-hunt on Suarez is unfounded and purely agenda driven. Why has this thing NEVER happened over at Manure WHEN THEY HAVE THE WORST DIVING LITTLE CHEATING C**TS IN THE GAME?!? Nani is a disgrace of a human being, and Ashely "look at me run as fast as possible and get a 10 on this dive" Young is closely behind him. 

But let's start listening to the gutter snipers that pass themselves off as journalists / commentators. No wait, let's go even further and run our club based on their idiotic dribble chase Luis Suarez out of the country pitch and forks in hand! 

F**k off and when you get there give us a call and f**K off some more.

[Kenny Kan]

Couldn't have put in better myself Kenny.

How are you supposed to back our club but not back our very own players? What a stupid notion.

Everyone on this forum and who knows our club inside out feels that the witch-hunt on Suarez is unfounded and purely agenda driven. Why has this thing NEVER happened over at Manure WHEN THEY HAVE THE WORST DIVING LITTLE CHEATING C**TS IN THE GAME?!? Nani is a disgrace of a human being, and Ashely "look at me run as fast as possible and get a 10 on this dive" Young is closely behind him.   

But let's start listening to the gutter snipers that pass themselves off as journalists / commentators. No wait, let's go even further and run our club based on their idiotic dribble chase Luis Suarez out of the country pitch and forks in hand!   

F**k off and when you get there give us a call and f**K off some more.   

Like Dalglish said, football has become a fecking soap opera. More is made up these days surrounding the decisions and actions of something or someone than the game itself. Every fecking week the media are plugging some controversy or whatever and have lost sight of the game itself. Some/many fans have been caught up in this plastic-webbed-hysteria and are unable to see the wood for the trees.

[Simari]

Let's talk about English media.

Remember Ashley Williams and his book? His comment on Suarez, which happened to be the only section of the book that the media soaked up and threw out on papers? Who said he wanted to knock-out Luis? Well, our Luis got all the bad attention from those comments with the media emphasising just how bad he was and not so much on the violent nature of Ashley's comments.

Now, RedNose comes along and says Williams should be banned for life because he almost took off RVPs head. Yep, the media want us to believe now that Williams is indeed bad just because RedNose popped along on his reindeer.

What next? after we beat them on sunday, RedNose will most likely agree with Ashley that he should knock-out Luis. Just you wait and watch !

Seriously, for your own sanity, I'd strongly advise viewing anything that comes through the Media (and that's just not sports related) with a view that you're about to read a joke.

Only then does it become a worthwhile and entertaining read on the train / bus to work 

[Reg]

Kenny,

I've watched that clip of Suarez so many times in your signature - I just hate that officious little tw@t in teh yellow jacket, he looks like he wants to clock Suarez... real case of little man's disease. He starts off shadow dancing him then like he wants to rugby tackle him, then stands over him.

What a bitter blue nose 'we're only cr@p- because of you reds, its all your fault' fag.

[supersub]

There are a few individuals on this forum who profess to be supporters but are clearly detractors.......they never appear to be as vocal when we win, except to persecute our top scorer of course, but are in much evidence when the result hasn't been particularly favourable. With regards to the Mansfield game, I felt it was blindly obvious Mr Champion had his script written about Luis before the game and was just waiting for any opportunity to get his "they think it's all over" quote down on record.It just sounded so rehearsed to be a flippant remark.

If you are indirectly referring to me, it is evident that you do not read many, if any of my posts. Not everybody is an eternal ray of sunshine like yourself. I dare say, you aren't particularly bothered what happens to this club, you've got a permanent smile on your face. We could lose 10-0 and you'd still find endless amounts of positives while ignoring every single negative - life doesn't work like that fella, sunshiners are not realists and are often a tad bit mentally ill.

One only needs to read a few of your posts to understand you are a pitiful excuse for a supporter........as for positives and negatives...I've experienced a fair amount in the 45 years I've been attending the games and I've come to realise  that hugging the wife and kids is a better feeling than kicking the cat....even the cat agrees.

[Boxscarf]

I've got nothing against Luis Suarez, I like him as a footballer, but he generates so much controversy, controversy that I believe is having an adverse effect on this football club's image and reputation. Such is the extent of the controversy that Suarez has caused that Standard Chartered intervened in the mess because they were afraid that their reputation was being harmed in this mess. I'm not saying that this all Luis's fault, I just think Suarez is one of those players who have a bad reputation and his reputation has affected this club both on and off the pitch.

Do I want Luis Suarez to leave? No, not at all, he's become such an important player for us this season that if we take away his contribution from our team, then we are relegation candidates, Suarez has been our best player by a country mile, however incidents like the one at Mansfield only severe to harm this club much more. It wouldn't surprise me if Suarez is denied a series of fouls in the match against United because of what happened last weekend. We've already seen this season just how Suarez's reputation as an unsavoury footballer with a reputation of cheating has led to us being denied stonewall penalties.

What annoyed me about the Mansfield match was not that he kicked the ball into the net - you can tell he thought he was going to be yellow carded and the goal was going to be ruled out for handball, it was the fact that after he realised the goal was going to stand that he decided to kiss his wrist like he does, why do it? We've just been given a very soft goal against a non-league side that had put up a good fight and to rub more salt into Mansfield's wounds.

Do I think Suarez deliberately handled the ball? No, from what I can see the ball ricochets off their keeper, Marriot back onto the hand of Suarez and he kicks the ball into the net in frustration and to his surprise the goal stands and he decides to be an imbecile and do his little 'kiss my wrist' celebration which only added more fuel to the fire.

As for Jon Champion the fella should be charged with defamation of character - but no doubt Suarez's reputation of cheating i.e. Uruguay vs Ghana led to such a swift conclusion.

Trouble seems to follow Luis around wherever he goes, the biting incident he gave to Bakkal is one of the worst incidents of violence I have seen on a pitch, that's up there with the Ben Thatcher forearm smash to Pedro Mendes and the Roy Keane lunge into Alf Inge Halaand.

[redno7]

things like this mate... 

and he decides to be an imbecile and do his little 'kiss my wrist' celebration

this don't help your case. That IS Luis's celebration, why should he change it? he'd just scored a goal. But to call him an imbecile? really? He's a Liverp[ool player mate, you don't have to agree with him or change your opinions of him but come on? He'd just scored LIVERPOOL a goal and you call him an imbecile?

[supersub]

I've got nothing against Luis Suarez, 

As for Jon Champion the fella should be charged with defamation of character - but no doubt Suarez's reputation of cheating i.e. Uruguay vs Ghana led to such a swift conclusion.

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first comment is laughable

I'm sure the outlandish media hysteria surrounding Luis Suarez is to blame and not the penalty that he conceded against Ghana ,for which he and his team were punished.....

your referrence to the said match is a clear insight into your "I've got nothing against Luis Suarez" blah blah

[Boxscarf]

I won't say I'm a huge fan of Luis Suarez, in the same way I wasn't a huge fan of Fernando Torres.

Luis is problem regards to his reputation is partly his fault, the handball against Ghana, biting Bakkal in the Netherlands, punching a referee when he was a junior footballer with Nacional, the incidents surrounding Patrice Evra and his simulation has led to his reputation taking a huge hit and his reputation affects the image and reputation of this club. The Evra incident and the subsequent poor attempt at defending Suarez saw this clubs reputation really sink into the gutter as it were.

Do I want Suarez to leave? Of course not, but if things don't improve then I can see him throwing in the towel and going somewhere else, the fella is good enough to replace Higuain and Benzema in the Real Madrid first team, he's good enough to play for AC Milan, Bayern Munchen and other top sides in Europe. I wouldn't blame him for walking away, but let's not pretend that Suarez is a victim or wholly innocent in all of this, no one forced him to deny Ghana a legitimate goal, no one forced him to bite another player, punch a referee or bring Evra's skin colour into conversation on a football pitch. No one forces him to dive around on the floor etc, these are all choices he's made and unfortunately for him he's built up a reputation and a reputation that is seeing him crucified for everything he does which is not considered apart of sportsmanship.

[Kenny Kan]

I won't say I'm a huge fan of Luis Suarez, in the same way I wasn't a huge fan of Fernando Torres.

Luis is problem regards to his reputation is partly his fault, the handball against Ghana, biting Bakkal in the Netherlands, punching a referee when he was a junior footballer with Nacional, the incidents surrounding Patrice Evra and his simulation has led to his reputation taking a huge hit and his reputation affects the image and reputation of this club. The Evra incident and the subsequent poor attempt at defending Suarez saw this clubs reputation really sink into the gutter as it were.

Do I want Suarez to leave? Of course not, but if things don't improve then I can see him throwing in the towel and going somewhere else, the fella is good enough to replace Higuain and Benzema in the Real Madrid first team, he's good enough to play for AC Milan, Bayern Munchen and other top sides in Europe. I wouldn't blame him for walking away, but let's not pretend that Suarez is a victim or wholly innocent in all of this, no one forced him to deny Ghana a legitimate goal, no one forced him to bite another player, punch a referee or bring Evra's skin colour into conversation on a football pitch. No one forces him to dive around on the floor etc, these are all choices he's made and unfortunately for him he's built up a reputation and a reputation that is seeing him crucified for everything he does which is not considered apart of sportsmanship.

You're the only one hung up on reputation. A reputation you seem to enjoy maligning, your not exactly backwards in coming forwards with Suarez's history concerning his reputation. But you know what - I and many others couldn't give a feck what he has done for other teams. Go and join the Sky discussion board, you'd be more at home there.

[Boxscarf]

things like this mate... 

and he decides to be an imbecile and do his little 'kiss my wrist' celebration

this don't help your case. That IS Luis's celebration, why should he change it? he'd just scored a goal. But to call him an imbecile? really? He's a Liverp[ool player mate, you don't have to agree with him or change your opinions of him but come on? He'd just scored LIVERPOOL a goal and you call him an imbecile?

There's a thing called tact, Luis should practise this.

He knew he scored an illegitimate goal and he should have just kept his head down and walked back to the half-way line and continued. I thought it was out of line to do what he did in all honesty, it does show a lack of class and a lack of respect. I do feel for Mansfield, a small non-league team who were well worth a replay and could have even won the match and they were beaten by a goal that shouldn't have stood.

I think Luis should have gone to the referee and said I handled the ball, sure the goal probably would have stood, but at least then you paint a positive image of yourself. I have so much respect for footballers who do the right thing, I remember when Fowler jumped over Seaman to get out of the way of him, the referee gave the penalty and Fowler went up to the referee and told him it wasn't a penalty. He did the right thing and sure he scored a rebound, but you speak to most Arsenal fans who remember that match and they have such a high opinion of Fowler. In fact I have never heard an opposition supporter have anything negative to say about Fowler as a footballer. I knew a few Mancs who support United and they say he was an exceptional player and he was one of the few Liverpool players they respected and hated seeing line up against their team on match day.

I'd take Robbie Fowler over Suarez anyday of the week.

[Kenny Kan]

Arsenal fans, Manc fans, you ONLY care about what other people think about LFC. pffft.

You are a sensitive soul, don't holiday in France then.

[Boxscarf]

Arsenal fans, Manc fans, you ONLY care about what other people think about LFC. pffft.

You are a sensitive soul, don't holiday in France then.

Like it or not reputation matters, I hate reading all the negative stuff being spouted about the club I love and support. When I see negative headlines with Suarez, next to him is our badge, our name and our shirt is on display and I just know that the more negative sh*t that is spouted about us the more and more people will hate this football club. This is a great football club with a proud history, great traditions that are passed down from generation to generation, it's a special club and I hate hearing negative stuff about such a great club. If that makes me sensitive or whatever then so be it, I couldn't care less.