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Postby lakes10 » Mon May 21, 2012 7:32 pm

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Mon May 21, 2012 7:12 pm wrote:
lakes10 » Mon May 21, 2012 5:54 pm wrote:ade fahlevy‏@ade_lfc

RT @EzizAllamov: Liverpool are 7th most valuable football brand in Europe (€288.5m). Increase of value - 47%. In 2011- 9th. Progress




if that fact is right it makes me wonder even more why managers are turning the job down?


to be fair they are not turning the job down, they are turning the chance to be considered down.
if they agree to be considered but dont get the job it puts them in an arkward position with their current employers.
if they got offered the job itself it might be different.
obviously there are 1 or 2 like klopp and guariola dont want to know anyway.



yes very true, i did not think of it like that.
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Postby LFC2007 » Mon May 21, 2012 7:40 pm

If we can't get a Guardiola or a Capello there's always Rafa who'd be willing to take the job and that's no bad position to be in. People can cherry pick moments of success and failure from his record last time around, but the bottom line is at the present moment we're a club that desperately needs top four football to get us back up and running again and Rafa's got a record of delivering it. Granted it'll be a tougher challenge this time around than last given the competition, but I'd still bet on him over some of the less experience candidates we've been linked with, promising though some of them are.
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Postby RedSi35 » Mon May 21, 2012 7:52 pm

Big question would be "is Rafa interested in the job"
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Postby RedSi35 » Mon May 21, 2012 7:57 pm

AVB just doesnt fill me with glee tbh. Sure he is a decent manager but i think a world class club with huge expectation and little money isnt for him.

I think Rafa has work left to do
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Postby devaney » Mon May 21, 2012 9:48 pm

Fk it  I don't want the job as CEO of Apple !!!!!!!! There I've said it and it's got just about as much credibility as some of the names that have supposedly turned down a job that they haven't been and probably never would be offered. HAVE THE INTERVIEWS EVEN STARTED ?
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Postby RED BEERGOGGLES » Mon May 21, 2012 10:30 pm

Liverpool FC's scattergun manager search points to testing times ahead
by Richard Buxton. Published Mon 21 May 2012 20:00, Last updated: 2012-05-21


Somewhere near the midway point of Liverpool's tumultuous Premier League campaign, the club unearthed a quote attributed to legendary manager Bill Shankly; a quote so rare and unheard that not even the most esteemed Shankly biographers could verify its authenticity.

The general consensus was, and remains, that said quote - "if you can't support us when we lose or draw, don't support us when we win" - was fabricated to restore continuity following the booing which greeted the final whistle after a goalless draw with Swansea City in November.

Explanations as to why the club appeared to have undertaken Anfield's equivalent of rewriting the bible, despite countless requests from supporters, has been limited to a solitary, and quite laughable excuse that 'just because he didn't say it didn't mean he wasn't thinking it'.

Quite what he would have made events of the past seven days at the club he helped mould into one of the dominant forces of world football would have made for interesting reading.

With such rewritings of history now considered acceptable, owners Fenway Sports Group may wish to consider updating further Shankly prose so that it is applicable to the 21st century.

But the Americans have stayed true to history and one of his quotes as they scour for Kenny Dalglish's successor; "At a football club, there's a holy trinity - the players, the manager and the supporters. Directors don't come into it. They are only there to sign the cheques."

That mantra has remained a firm favourite of Liverpool fans in recent years, when Rafael Benitez was virtually canonised for standing firm against Tom Hicks and George Gillett's pillaging, but what little directors remain at Anfield have demonstrate affirmative leadership.

The wide-reaching search for a new manager has been liked to a beauty parade but the current series of events resembles more a failed car auction as drivers take their turn in declining to sit behind the wheel of a nice little runner that hit its peak in the mid 1980's.

To date, only two managers have been formally approached, in Wigan's Roberto Martinez and Swansea City boss Brendan Rodgers - the latter of whom spurned Liverpool's overtures, and both names have being greeted by a widespread dispondency from the Kop's masses.

Martinez is more memorable for seeing Wigan evade relegation consecutively in the past two seasons than laying foundations at the Liberty Stadium, of which Rodgers is now reaping the benefits after Swansea secured a respectable finish in their first Premier League season.

John Henry and Tom Werner's approach to the vacant manager's position has been condemned as scattergun, and some would argue justifiably so. Managing director Ian Ayre attempts to dismiss suggestions that Liverpool are again in crisis have fallen on deaf ears.

Such is the calibre of candidacy that few have faith in the club's custodians repeating the history of the 2004 selection process when, prior to Benitez's appointment, Alan Curbishley and Gordan Strachan were both considered as possible successors to Gerard Houllier.

The closest either came to the home dugout since that period was when they travelled to Merseyside as opposing managers while Strachan's most recent wander through Anfield's corridors of power was as a pundit on ESPN's coverage of the FA Cup last season.

Contrary to denials, the possibility of Benitez returning to the helm two years after he was dethroned was mulled over, such is FSG's yearning to see Liverpool progress and reclaim what they feel is its rightful place at the top table aboard European football's gravy train.

With Jurgen Klopp, the Borussia Dortmund manager, Ajax boss Frank de Boer and Marseille's Didier Deschamps all ruling themselves out of the running, the options remaining appear underwhelming.

Whether, as some have speculated, the public courting of managers akin to Strachan and Curbishley's calibre is merely subterfuge on FSG's part, they are in danger of breaking the golden rules of PR which was one of the reasons for Dalglish's sacking barely a week ago.

Andre Villas-Boas remains the object of their affections, as he was prior to Dalglish's appointment last summer, but is seeking assurances as to the club's overall project. He may be waiting some time with a current structure that can only be described as skeletal.

Moves are afoot to fill in the blanks in the roles which were cleared so vastly in a matter of weeks but when those appointments will materialise, and for whom, has made this arguably the most crucial stage in the club's recent on field history.

Further misguided choices will render this sleeping giant comatose.

http://www.clickliverpool.com/sport/liverpool-fc/1216166-liverpool-fcs-scattergun-manager-search-points-to-testing-times-ahead.html?


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Postby Thommo's perm » Mon May 21, 2012 11:10 pm

stmichael » Mon May 21, 2012 2:13 pm wrote:i see de boer has ruled himself out today.


Just been on SSN
"Frank de Boer has ruled himself out of the Liverpool managers job. The club is now looking to approach his brother Rupert..."
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Postby Roger Red Hat » Mon May 21, 2012 11:26 pm

Thommo's perm » Mon May 21, 2012 10:10 pm wrote:
stmichael » Mon May 21, 2012 2:13 pm wrote:i see de boer has ruled himself out today.


Just been on SSN
"Frank de Boer has ruled himself out of the Liverpool managers job. The club is now looking to approach his brother Rupert..."


As long as he doesn't wear those fuking pants on match days I'd welcome him.
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Postby lakes10 » Mon May 21, 2012 11:26 pm

I dont see AVB coming back to the prem so soon, did he not sell his home the week after he got sacked?

if the media are right (they reported they were told by the club)that we had a short list of 8 men for the job and was not going to look outside that list, them theres only a few names left. AVB said he will not be rushed on the job so the club are taking the time to see how many of their 8 will take the job. SSN reported that we had only spoken to two of the 8.

I fear the owners are making a right mess of this.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Mon May 21, 2012 11:40 pm

No Sh*t Lakes - some thought that a while a go.
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Postby devaney » Tue May 22, 2012 6:39 am

Benny The Noon » Mon May 21, 2012 10:40 pm wrote:No Sh*t Lakes - some thought that a while a go.


And Kenny in a moment of desperation would haves swapped your beloved Carroll for that complete and utter a.rse Tevez and yet you think Kenny can do no wrong? That worrying little bit of Carroll/Tevez information has now recently been confirmed as fact. Oh well let's not worry about Kenny's shortcomings the owners are just a bunch of unscrupulous money grabbing Americans so let's blame them for everything seems to be the stance of yourself and several others on this forum. So far I have seen very little evidence to suggest that this is the case and I am amazed by some of the misplaced insults that are being directed at them. They sacked a legend who had failed miserably. That took some guts and they knew that it would upset some of the diehard stuck in the past supporters.
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Postby lakes10 » Tue May 22, 2012 7:43 am

devaney » Tue May 22, 2012 6:39 am wrote:
Benny The Noon » Mon May 21, 2012 10:40 pm wrote:No Sh*t Lakes - some thought that a while a go.


And Kenny in a moment of desperation would haves swapped your beloved Carroll for that complete and utter a.rse Tevez and yet you think Kenny can do no wrong? That worrying little bit of Carroll/Tevez information has now recently been confirmed as fact. Oh well let's not worry about Kenny's shortcomings the owners are just a bunch of unscrupulous money grabbing Americans so let's blame them for everything seems to be the stance of yourself and several others on this forum. So far I have seen very little evidence to suggest that this is the case and I am amazed by some of the misplaced insults that are being directed at them. They sacked a legend who had failed miserably. That took some guts and they knew that it would upset some of the diehard stuck in the past supporters.



did he "failed miserably"
in fact when you think of it out of the 4 things he could have won this year he won one and got to the final of the other?
strange how you think he failed miserably when most teasm outside the top 4 would have loved to have done what we done this year.
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Postby metalhead » Tue May 22, 2012 7:48 am

"failed miserably" :laugh:

2 cup finals in his first season winning one of them, which is our first trophy in 6 years. Typical modern fans putting 4th place ahead of trophies.

Does 4th place get a place in the trophy cabinet?
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Postby devaney » Tue May 22, 2012 8:03 am

metalhead » Tue May 22, 2012 6:48 am wrote:"failed miserably" :laugh:

2 cup finals in his first season winning one of them, which is our first trophy in 6 years. Typical modern fans putting 4th place ahead of trophies.

Does 4th place get a place in the trophy cabinet?



4th place doesn't even necessarily get you into the CL qualifying rounds! I hardly regard myself as a modern fan. I have been supporting Liverpool since before Shanks arrived. I am however a realist and these are very different times. Kenny's run in the cups was impressive and gave us something to shout about for the first time in years and certainly he did not fail miserably in that area. When we got to Wembley however we nearly threw away the Carling cup to a Championship side and we did throw away the FA Cup to Chelsea through poor team selection and pathetic tactics. I'm not being harsh I'm simply stating the facts. Over £100m spent on players that didn't perform for most of the season and a second half league performance that put us in almost twentieth place. We also had the worst home league record for decades. Kenny's media behaviour was also left desperately wanting.As far as those aspects of Kenny's performance yes I think he failed miserably.

Yes Lakes I am sure that any other manager outside 4th place would have liked our cup runs but they would also have liked £100m to spend.

As I said I'm being a realist. Love what Kenny has done for the club but I'm afraid it is time to move on.
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Postby metalhead » Tue May 22, 2012 8:09 am

Why is everyone on about Kenny's behavior in the media? He answers his questions in an honest and direct manner. Also, I don't see the press criticizing Ferguson for his disgusting behaviour in the press sometimes!

If you call hitting the woodwork 33 times, having the most shots on target in the league and dominating games without scoring pathetic tactics then I don't know what to say
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