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[burjennio]

Id love to see Rafa back but I just don't think its going to happen. 

2 CL finals in 3 seasons.  An FA Cup.  Came closer to any other manager to winning us a PL with 82 + 86 points. 
Built a fantastic team with nowhere near the same kind of money as Chelsea had.

I do believe the wheels started to come off last time he was here but he was never given a chance to turn it around.   
And perhaps the wheels would never have came off if it wasn't for H+G.

Rafa is a fantastic manager though and I think the year out will have done him the world of good.

I accept a lot of what you are saying but after his short spell at Inter top clubs haven't actually been running after him with open cheque books. Why do you think that is?

For Benitez spell at Inter read AVBs spell at Chelsea. He came into a new club with veteran players that had won everything the season before and were unwilling to change their style of play for, lets be honest , a man whom their previous manager despises with a passion.

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

cheers mate, didnt even know he was being considered.
i think a lot of these turning us down know they werent going to get the job anyway

Lets keep it on the downlow mate ,lets not spoil the illusion 

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

I've always advocated AVB but been hearing not so pleasant stuff about his man-management, and now even from Lukaku. Not entirely sure if it's real or just media spin as I'm pretty sure Lukaku did have another interview saying how he's been learning a lot at Chelsea.

Chelsea striker Romelu Lukaku has launched a stinging criticism of former-manager Andre Villas-Boas, insisting he will "never forgive" the Portuguese boss.

Lukaku, 19, believes that he was sidelined by Villas-Boas from the day he arrived at the club, saying the former-Porto boss did not treat him with respect.

Although Lukaku was signed during the Villas-Boas era at Stamford Bridge, he was bought as a result of a long-standing scouting project by the club - not at Villas-Boas' request.

Speaking after Chelsea's Champions League triumph, Lukaku told Sport Wereld: "I could not believe it. I had to think 'Is this really happening'? European champion ... My life has changed and I'm only nineteen.

"But there is one person that I will never forgive for what he did to me - the previous coach. It's not just that. It was also the way he spoke to me and treated me. Right from the beginning, it was weird. I could not stand how he was treating me. I received no explanation.

"In training he put me on the right or left wing. In training matches I was a substitute with a shirt to keep swapping teams. I really learned nothing! I have told the club that too. I understand that he was under pressure, but I was also thinking of myself. I have improved in recent months."

Source: ESPN Soccernet

Oh just get on with it you out of towner 

[Eagle]

Id love to see Rafa back but I just don't think its going to happen. 

2 CL finals in 3 seasons.  An FA Cup.  Came closer to any other manager to winning us a PL with 82 + 86 points. 
Built a fantastic team with nowhere near the same kind of money as Chelsea had.

I do believe the wheels started to come off last time he was here but he was never given a chance to turn it around.   
And perhaps the wheels would never have came off if it wasn't for H+G.

Rafa is a fantastic manager though and I think the year out will have done him the world of good.

I accept a lot of what you are saying but after his short spell at Inter top clubs haven't actually been running after him with open cheque books. Why do you think that is?

For Benitez spell at Inter read AVBs spell at Chelsea. He came into a new club with veteran players that had won everything the season before and were unwilling to change their style of play for, lets be honest , a man whom their previous manager despises with a passion.

I would put that down to bad man management by both AVB and Rafa.

[RedAnt]

Those who want AVB, please remember, he had a decent record in Portugal and was offered a chance by Chelski to prove he can make it in the big time. Result? Fell flat on his ar*e. Wether it's poor man managament, a d*ckhead squad, pure bad luck or something else, the fact remains, he couldn't manage at the top of the premier league. Why on earth should we give him a shot? He failed for the chavs. Whyever would we want to give him a chance to fail for us? We don't have time for more f***ing around. One more poor season will be disasterous.

[Kenny Kan]

I've always advocated AVB but been hearing not so pleasant stuff about his man-management, and now even from Lukaku. Not entirely sure if it's real or just media spin as I'm pretty sure Lukaku did have another interview saying how he's been learning a lot at Chelsea.

Chelsea striker Romelu Lukaku has launched a stinging criticism of former-manager Andre Villas-Boas, insisting he will "never forgive" the Portuguese boss.

Lukaku, 19, believes that he was sidelined by Villas-Boas from the day he arrived at the club, saying the former-Porto boss did not treat him with respect.

Although Lukaku was signed during the Villas-Boas era at Stamford Bridge, he was bought as a result of a long-standing scouting project by the club - not at Villas-Boas' request.

Speaking after Chelsea's Champions League triumph, Lukaku told Sport Wereld: "I could not believe it. I had to think 'Is this really happening'? European champion ... My life has changed and I'm only nineteen.

"But there is one person that I will never forgive for what he did to me - the previous coach. It's not just that. It was also the way he spoke to me and treated me. Right from the beginning, it was weird. I could not stand how he was treating me. I received no explanation.

"In training he put me on the right or left wing. In training matches I was a substitute with a shirt to keep swapping teams. I really learned nothing! I have told the club that too. I understand that he was under pressure, but I was also thinking of myself. I have improved in recent months."

Source: ESPN Soccernet

Oh just get on with it you out of towner 

Out of towner?

He's not even from the same planet, nevermind town.

Yakubu    fuck in 'ell.

[Octsky]

Those who want AVB, please remember, he had a decent record in Portugal and was offered a chance by Chelski to prove he can make it in the big time. Result? Fell flat on his ar*e. Wether it's poor man managament, a d*ckhead squad, pure bad luck or something else, the fact remains, he couldn't manage at the top of the premier league. Why on earth should we give him a shot? He failed for the chavs. Whyever would we want to give him a chance to fail for us? We don't have time for more f***ing around. One more poor season will be disasterous.

some of us here are jumping on the bandwagon, seriously avb had a wonder season at porto, newspapers hail him as the next morhinho to sell more newspapers, roman buy into it, hire then sack him n win his holy grail, the champs league.
are we going to buy into this avb bs?
who has seriously watch porto under avb? i havent n i just dont trust his track record as a manager.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

Id love to see Rafa back but I just don't think its going to happen. 

2 CL finals in 3 seasons.  An FA Cup.  Came closer to any other manager to winning us a PL with 82 + 86 points. 
Built a fantastic team with nowhere near the same kind of money as Chelsea had.

I do believe the wheels started to come off last time he was here but he was never given a chance to turn it around.   
And perhaps the wheels would never have came off if it wasn't for H+G.

Rafa is a fantastic manager though and I think the year out will have done him the world of good.

I accept a lot of what you are saying but after his short spell at Inter top clubs haven't actually been running after him with open cheque books. Why do you think that is?

i think a lot of owners are put off by the fact that he`s not scared to speak his mind, he fell out with the owners at valencia, liverpool (understandable though) and inter milan plus in this country because of sky`s blatant agenda against him a lot of fans outside of liverpool think he`s some sort of idiot. for some reason sky used to wheel out people like mike newell who would absolutely rip him over zonal marking and rotation and this was when we were finishing 2nd and getting to the latter stages of the CL.
it was only when someone pointed out to sky that we had the 3rd best defence in the league from corners (i think it was gordon strachan) and ferguson rotated more than benitez that they shut up, but by then the mud had stuck as far as the rest of the country were concerned.
because we have been a top side for so long i think a lot of people outside of liverpool assumed he was competing on an equal basis with united, chelsea and arsenal but he wasnt, nowhere near it infact. when rafa took over we were broke, thats why moores sold the club about 2 years into rafa`s reign.
the size of the club probably hid how good a job he was doing, people just thought `oh their liverpool, they should be up there`
plus to a lot of fans around the country he is seen as liverpool through and through, when he was linked with the chelsea job i had a look around their forums and they were all saying the same thing, good manager but a scouser, heart is in liverpool etc etc

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

Every club is laughing at us now ,this decision that the owners make will have to be possibly the singular most important step since Benitez 
was binned  ....and we soooooo got that one wrong it bordered on agony .

FSG will be hoping the majority of reds fans are willing ( and as I stated to someone earlier by pm )to take this giant leap of faith ,but if I'm honest speaking
as a very disappointed Liverpool supporter ,I feel if this jump is to be made then I will need to see at the very least a vague representation of a bridge .

Roberto Martinez is sadly not a name that would inspire a leap of any kind....

[Reg]

I prefer to keep my views to myself. 

[stmichael]

i see de boer has ruled himself out today.

[metalhead]

Bloody hell reg, your sigs! when I first met you in october you told me you didn't think getting Rafa back was such a good idea, what changed?

[metalhead]

i see de boer has ruled himself out today.

Yeh it's a shame, he built an amazing team with Ajax and I think he would do a perfect job with us

[Reg]

Bloody hell reg, your sigs! when I first met you in october you told me you didn't think getting Rafa back was such a good idea, what changed?

I'm just being fickle mate!      

[burjennio]

Those who want AVB, please remember, he had a decent record in Portugal and was offered a chance by Chelski to prove he can make it in the big time. Result? Fell flat on his ar*e. Wether it's poor man managament, a d*ckhead squad, pure bad luck or something else, the fact remains, he couldn't manage at the top of the premier league. Why on earth should we give him a shot? He failed for the chavs. Whyever would we want to give him a chance to fail for us? We don't have time for more f***ing around. One more poor season will be disasterous.

The history of football is littered with great managers who had a nightmare in certain jobs, Brian Clough at Leeds, Sacchi at Athletico, Dalglish at Newcastle (while still in his managerial heyday) etc. It baffles me that people are so quick to say that his Porto career was a flash in the pan yet ignore the fact that his entire Chelsea career - the only appointment he has been in so far where he hasnt succeeded - was about two thirds of a season long.