kazza » Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:38 am wrote:They will have the best lawyers money can buy! Money talks when getting football players but money really talks when getting lawyers.
ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:18 am wrote:kazza » Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:38 am wrote:They will have the best lawyers money can buy! Money talks when getting football players but money really talks when getting lawyers.
Because the stakes are so high as well they will throw everything they’ve got at it, if they don’t get this decision overturned they will be fvcked for the next 4/5 years minimum. Guardiola will leave and a lot of their best players won’t be far behind him, Sterling is 25, Sane 24, are they going to hang around until they are 28 before they can compete in the CL again? De Bruyne is 28, given the ban doesn’t start until next season he’ll be 32 and on the slide next time he plays in football’s premier club competition.
Not only that then there’s the reputational damage, if this decision gets upheld any medals those players have won over the last few years (and win in the near future) will have a giant asterisk by them plus then there’s the sponsors, what sponsors are going to want their brand associated with proven cheats?
City will throw tens if not hundreds of millions at this to get it overturned.
JC_81 » Sat Feb 15, 2020 1:40 pm wrote:ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:18 am wrote:kazza » Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:38 am wrote:They will have the best lawyers money can buy! Money talks when getting football players but money really talks when getting lawyers.
Because the stakes are so high as well they will throw everything they’ve got at it, if they don’t get this decision overturned they will be fvcked for the next 4/5 years minimum. Guardiola will leave and a lot of their best players won’t be far behind him, Sterling is 25, Sane 24, are they going to hang around until they are 28 before they can compete in the CL again? De Bruyne is 28, given the ban doesn’t start until next season he’ll be 32 and on the slide next time he plays in football’s premier club competition.
Not only that then there’s the reputational damage, if this decision gets upheld any medals those players have won over the last few years (and win in the near future) will have a giant asterisk by them plus then there’s the sponsors, what sponsors are going to want their brand associated with proven cheats?
City will throw tens if not hundreds of millions at this to get it overturned.
Completely agree.
They’ll get it overturned because that’s the trend - PSG and Milan managed to.
But there’s still reputational damage regardless. Plus the spotlight is on them so their books need to be squeaky clean while at the same time trying to rebuild an ageing squad.
It damages them no matter what and causes unrest in the meantime as I can see the appeal dragging on months.
Great to see!
Reg » Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:02 pm wrote:Two points (out of 200 to be honest).
You can challenge the legitimacy of FFP however in law the 'intentions of the parties' is a key issue. So even if the minutae of the UEFA law is wrong, the intentions of the parties to regulate financial investment is loud and clear. UEFA and the clubs wanted to introduce and be regulated by a set of rules that stopped financial bias from powerful owners. That is what City have breached, the intentions of the parties.
Secondly City mightyppeal and if it's not settled by the start of next season then will participate in CL 20/21. The issue here is that Sheffield Utd, Wolves or Man Utd might take that 5th place claiming the 4th CL spot and sue UEFA for not throwing City out. Could end up being a real bugger's muddle.
UEFA need to act decisively and allow City to appeal but to ensure it's fast tracked through the process and finalised by a date that allows whoever should qualify to do so.
kazza » Sun Feb 16, 2020 4:53 am wrote:Remember that the basis for all this are hacked emails so I’m not sure how that stands up in court and it looks like court is where this will end up. I am sure that will be City’s argument as apparently they have multiple emails of City admin communicating with each other on how to hide the money and not get caught, all hacked from their secure servers (an illegal act). I’m not sure of the law in Europe but can you use evidence in court that was gathered illegally?
Reg » Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:49 am wrote:kazzza, couldn't UEFA or CAS get a court order for Etihad to open their accounts and show how much they transferred to City during the key period? Apparently City boasted they were getting 90 million quid a year whereas Etihad only tranferred 8-9 million and the sheikh paid the rest from his own company so that alone would be pretty damning.
ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:41 am wrote:kazza » Sun Feb 16, 2020 4:53 am wrote:Remember that the basis for all this are hacked emails so I’m not sure how that stands up in court and it looks like court is where this will end up. I am sure that will be City’s argument as apparently they have multiple emails of City admin communicating with each other on how to hide the money and not get caught, all hacked from their secure servers (an illegal act). I’m not sure of the law in Europe but can you use evidence in court that was gathered illegally?
No idea tbh mate but you’d imagine UEFA wouldnt charge a club as powerful as City unless they thought they were on solid ground legally.
Re Reg mentioning Rodgers, it would be pretty ironic if he ends up City boss, apparently all this stuff with City only relates to the period between 2012 and 2016, apparently the premier league are looking at the 2013/14 season when we finished second to see if City had an unfair advantage over us. People forget how close we came that season, although the record books show we lost the league by 2 points in reality we lost it on goal difference, the reason we lost a 3 goal lead and dropped 2 points against Palace was that our players were in kamikaze mode trying to score 9, under normal circumstances no way would we have drawn that game.
Maybe Gerrard will get his premier league winners medal after all. You never know. He certainly deserves one given the career he had. Not the way you want to win it like but I’m sure he’d take it.
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