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by **Buck Rodgers** » Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:57 pm

aCe' » Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:18 pm wrote:
Buck Rodgers » Wed Jun 17, 2015 2:30 am wrote:Which sort of top players are you talking about though ?

Last summer we were going for Sanchez - offering good money etc but still decided to go to Arsenal

London or massive wages is a big draw for a lot of the top European players

There are a lot of very talented players that aren't as well known as the highlight players - but highlight players will be players that right now we would struggle to compete - if it's a top European player then the top clubs with CL and money are going to be in for that player and location is a big thing right now for the players - London , Barcelona , Madrid , Paris and Munich are big draws for foreign players

We need to be realistic - we can't give out the wages some clubs do , we can't offer the location some can , we can't offer CL ( even when we did we struggled to attract players )

We need to look at the Coutinhos and the Sturridges and the players who are looking to break through into the Top level. And there are lots of very good players around.

Players like Kovacic , Lacazette and Aubegeymang are exactly those players who will improve our squad.

I put up a list earlier in the thread of the caliber of player we should be going after:

-Dani Alvez
-Pedro
-Higuain
-Lavezzi
-Lucas Moura
-Hamsik
-Wanyama
-Jovetic
-Gundogan
-Khedira
-Falcao
-Lacazette
-Fekir
-Aubameyang
-Walcott
-Icardi
-J.Martinez

Obviously, some of the names on the list have since re-signed with their clubs or have already agreed moves. I dont buy into the mindset of us no longer being able to compete with the sides above us for THIS BRACKET of players. The likes of Reus, Pogba, Cavani, etc. will move to the top clubs but we can realistically expect the club to be able to put up decent offers to the likes of Jovetic, J.Martinez & Aubameyang who are all much better than the Ings and Austins we've been linked to. I agree with your list of player, now watch us target Jay Rodrigues and Saido Berahino instead.

Then I'm with on that list of players - certain getable with the right money offered

Wouldn't touch someone like Walcott though and think a couple would be out of our range but all would improve the squad greatly

by **aCe'** » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:09 pm

Buck Rodgers » Wed Jun 17, 2015 8:57 pm wrote:
aCe' » Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:18 pm wrote:
Buck Rodgers » Wed Jun 17, 2015 2:30 am wrote:Which sort of top players are you talking about though ?

Last summer we were going for Sanchez - offering good money etc but still decided to go to Arsenal

London or massive wages is a big draw for a lot of the top European players

There are a lot of very talented players that aren't as well known as the highlight players - but highlight players will be players that right now we would struggle to compete - if it's a top European player then the top clubs with CL and money are going to be in for that player and location is a big thing right now for the players - London , Barcelona , Madrid , Paris and Munich are big draws for foreign players

We need to be realistic - we can't give out the wages some clubs do , we can't offer the location some can , we can't offer CL ( even when we did we struggled to attract players )

We need to look at the Coutinhos and the Sturridges and the players who are looking to break through into the Top level. And there are lots of very good players around.

Players like Kovacic , Lacazette and Aubegeymang are exactly those players who will improve our squad.

I put up a list earlier in the thread of the caliber of player we should be going after:

-Dani Alvez
-Pedro
-Higuain
-Lavezzi
-Lucas Moura
-Hamsik
-Wanyama
-Jovetic
-Gundogan
-Khedira
-Falcao
-Lacazette
-Fekir
-Aubameyang
-Walcott
-Icardi
-J.Martinez

Obviously, some of the names on the list have since re-signed with their clubs or have already agreed moves. I dont buy into the mindset of us no longer being able to compete with the sides above us for THIS BRACKET of players. The likes of Reus, Pogba, Cavani, etc. will move to the top clubs but we can realistically expect the club to be able to put up decent offers to the likes of Jovetic, J.Martinez & Aubameyang who are all much better than the Ings and Austins we've been linked to. I agree with your list of player, now watch us target Jay Rodrigues and Saido Berahino instead.

Then I'm with on that list of players - certain getable with the right money offered

Wouldn't touch someone like Walcott though and think a couple would be out of our range but all would improve the squad greatly

I actually think Walcott could have just as big an impact as Sturridge did. He isnt top bracket and neither is Sturridge, but he's an underrated finisher and his movement off the ball is better than anything we've got. He can also play upfront or down the flanks. Arsnal wont sell him unless its for silly money though so the only way of us getting him would be a trade for Sterling (I actually think Walcott is a better player atm).

Regardless of the names on that list, the point I was making is that there are players out there who are significantly better than what we have been linked to and who are gettable imo. We'd have to spend upward of 20mill on some of the bigger names on the list but I'd rather have 2 from the above than 6 or 7 Markovic, Ings, and Borini type of signings.

by **Buck Rodgers** » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:29 pm

My issue with Walcott isn't his ability - it's the fact he is made of glass. Already have issues with Sturridge and his injuries so think Walcott would be too big a risk

I have no issue with signing players like Markovic and Ings for the right price because they are talented youngsters with potential to become very good players

But they shouldn't be our main signings and the type of player you suggest are getable - we need both types - currently for us it's easier to get the young potential players. We need to decide how big a risk it is to spend the extra money to get the more proven players.

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Wed Jun 17, 2015 11:08 pm

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Wed Jun 17, 2015 9:57 am wrote:To be fair mate this Gomez lad is quite highly rated and has been compared to a young Rio Ferdinand (hence the interest from the likes of City and Arsenal) but you are right in the sense that signing 18 year old CB's is not going to improve us in the short term.
No matter how good he is I can't see him being a regular in the starting XI for at least 3 years, that's at the very least.

We already have a young Ferdinand in Ilori mate ,your guess is as good as mine as to what happened there

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Fri Jun 19, 2015 11:32 am

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-target-simon-kjaer-snubbed-5910974?

Danish defender Simon Kjaer has revealed that he chose to join Turkish side Fenerbahce over Liverpool because he wants to win trophies.

The centre-back completed his move from French side Lille on Wednesday after long being linked with a switch to Anfield .

"Liverpool wanted me, but I want championships, I want to win trophies,” the 26-year-old told Haber Turk.

"It's not a secret that my family are Liverpool fans, and a move to Liverpool would make my family happy," he told French newspaper Le Figaro last month.

"But they support me more than they support anything else, so they are happy where ever I go - as long as I am happy."

Scary isn't it

by **Buck Rodgers** » Fri Jun 19, 2015 12:51 pm

So a player prefers to win the Turkish title instead of playing for us in the Prem - whats scary about it ?

by **only me** » Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:06 pm

Buck Rodgers » Fri Jun 19, 2015 11:51 am wrote:So a player prefers to win the Turkish title instead of playing for us in the Prem - whats scary about it ?

True and the fact no one heard of him nor was interested to sign him I guess....

by **ycsatbjywtbiastkamb** » Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:33 pm

Buck Rodgers » Fri Jun 19, 2015 11:51 am wrote:So a player prefers to win the Turkish title instead of playing for us in the Prem - whats scary about it ?

Maybe the 'I want to win trophies bit?'
Tells you what the perception out there is.

by **Buck Rodgers** » Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:42 pm

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:33 pm wrote:
Buck Rodgers » Fri Jun 19, 2015 11:51 am wrote:So a player prefers to win the Turkish title instead of playing for us in the Prem - whats scary about it ?

Maybe the 'I want to win trophies bit?'
Tells you what the perception out there is.

But it's it a far easier and less competitive league - so for me it's meaningless.

by **woof woof !** » Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:04 pm

Buck Rodgers » Fri Jun 19, 2015 11:51 am wrote:So a player prefers to win the Turkish title instead of playing for us in the Prem - whats scary about it ?

I guess what RTID finds "scary" is that a player most of us have never heard of instead of jumping at the chance to join an institution in world football in (arguably) the best league in the world prefers instead to play for a club in a league that hovers around 10th in European league rankings, the club itself has never won a European trophy and in a league dominated by themselves and two other clubs have won their domestic title just three times in the last 10 years .

Personally whilst appreciating RTID's concern that even a middling player has turned has back on us I think the player in question lacks any real ambition and wouldn't lose too much sleep over it.

by **Buck Rodgers** » Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:10 pm

Kjaer has been floating around for years bouncing from team to team never staying more than two years I think - at one stage I believe he was very well thought of after impressing at Palermo

And definitely would look at his lack of real ambition - its harder to win trophies in UK and he clearly wants an easier ride.

by **woof woof !** » Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:21 pm

Buck Rodgers » Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:10 pm wrote:Kjaer has been floating around for years bouncing from team to team never staying more than two years I think - at one stage I believe he was very well thought of after impressing at Palermo

And definitely would look at his lack of real ambition - its harder to win trophies in UK and he clearly wants an easier ride.

In which case he's maybe done Bodgers and the "committee" a favour by saying NO.

Of course thats still begs the question "Why were they in for a player with such limited ambition" ?

by **Buck Rodgers** » Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:25 pm

I guess clubs won't know the players ambition until contract talks are had with the player or talks with the agent.

by **woof woof !** » Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:31 pm

Buck Rodgers » Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:25 pm wrote:I guess clubs won't know the players ambition until contract talks are had with the player or talks with the agent.

If an offer was made don't you think there was at least some prior conversation with the players agent ? Or are Bodgers and Co just dropping leaflets through players letter boxes ?

by **Buck Rodgers** » Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:35 pm

woof woof ! » Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:31 pm wrote:
Buck Rodgers » Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:25 pm wrote:I guess clubs won't know the players ambition until contract talks are had with the player or talks with the agent.

If an offer was made don't you think there was at least some prior conversation with the players agent ? Or are Bodgers and Co just dropping leaflets through players letter boxes ?

I'm struggling to see the angle you are trying to get ?

Club makes offer to player via agent - agent says to player offer - player responds by rejecting offer in favour of another club or player tells agent what he wants - club gives an offer to the agent who turns it down on behalf of the player.

Could the club do anything different ?

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