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This would be a good signing. He's very versatile. I just hope he isn't given the Ilori and Alberto treatment should he join us.

At least he's not a dwarf...

Eds - you suggest that the owners and the management have cost us the title and that the fans that actually have the mentality to appreciate what they have achieved will simply be spouting the same old drivel. We discussed this subject ad nauseam back in January and I have no wish to start it again because it would be like banging my head against the proverbial brick wall. Rather than congratulate them for achieving second place and missing the title by a couple of points you prefer to blame them for failing to win the title through ineptitude. 37 points from 42 during the run in was an incredible achievement an one that nobody expected. Losing Henderson at a vital time and some bad luck cost us the title. To be anywhere near to City and Chelsea was a major success which you seem incapable of recognising. Before the season started I seem to remember that you gave us virtually no hope of finishing in the top four. I'LL LEAVE THE JOB OF SPOUTING DRIVEL TO YOU 

Santa - Could we please have an update on the players that you clearly congratulated Man United on sealing so quickly whilst we were pontificating according to you: Kroos looks dead in the water and Shaw looks less likely now that Evra has signed a new contract. Van Gall has claimed that Kroos was never in his plans now that Kroos has said he isn't moving !!
THESE ARE THE PLAYERS THAT YOU CLAIMED UNITED HAVE SEALED !! If you are going to have a go at the people that have got us into a position that most of us did not realistically expect then at least do them the decency of getting your facts right. You are actually giving credit to a club that went from first to seventh and made one of the worst decisions possible in giving Moyes the job of manager. And yet you still prefer to criticise the LFC hierarchy 

Emre Can vs Lallana, who is better?

devaney » Sat May 24, 2014 7:22 am wrote:Eds - you suggest that the owners and the management have cost us the title and that the fans that actually have the mentality to appreciate what they have achieved will simply be spouting the same old drivel. We discussed this subject ad nauseam back in January and I have no wish to start it again because it would be like banging my head against the proverbial brick wall. Rather than congratulate them for achieving second place and missing the title by a couple of points you prefer to blame them for failing to win the title through ineptitude. 37 points from 42 during the run in was an incredible achievement an one that nobody expected. Losing Henderson at a vital time and some bad luck cost us the title. To be anywhere near to City and Chelsea was a major success which you seem incapable of recognising. Before the season started I seem to remember that you gave us virtually no hope of finishing in the top four. I'LL LEAVE THE JOB OF SPOUTING DRIVEL TO YOU 

Santa - Could we please have an update on the players that you clearly congratulated Man United on sealing so quickly whilst we were pontificating according to you: Kroos looks dead in the water and Shaw looks less likely now that Evra has signed a new contract. Van Gall has claimed that Kroos was never in his plans now that Kroos has said he isn't moving !!
THESE ARE THE PLAYERS THAT YOU CLAIMED UNITED HAVE SEALED !! If you are going to have a go at the people that have got us into a position that most of us did not realistically expect then at least do them the decency of getting your facts right. You are actually giving credit to a club that went from first to seventh and made one of the worst decisions possible in giving Moyes the job of manager. And yet you still prefer to criticise the LFC hierarchy 

^ what he said.

Even if we had won the league there would be the same muppets on here tearing some aspect of the club to pieces.

Poor excuses for football fans let alone liverpool supporters.

maguskwt » Sat May 24, 2014 4:01 pm wrote:Emre Can vs Lallana, who is better?

Entirely different players. Can is a DM (although I've only seen him play at LB) and Lallana is more of a winger. We should get both.

devaney » Sat May 24, 2014 7:22 am wrote:Eds - you suggest that the owners and the management have cost us the title and that the fans that actually have the mentality to appreciate what they have achieved will simply be spouting the same old drivel. We discussed this subject ad nauseam back in January and I have no wish to start it again because it would be like banging my head against the proverbial brick wall. Rather than congratulate them for achieving second place and missing the title by a couple of points you prefer to blame them for failing to win the title through ineptitude. 37 points from 42 during the run in was an incredible achievement an one that nobody expected. Losing Henderson at a vital time and some bad luck cost us the title. To be anywhere near to City and Chelsea was a major success which you seem incapable of recognising. Before the season started I seem to remember that you gave us virtually no hope of finishing in the top four. I'LL LEAVE THE JOB OF SPOUTING DRIVEL TO YOU 

Santa - Could we please have an update on the players that you clearly congratulated Man United on sealing so quickly whilst we were pontificating according to you: Kroos looks dead in the water and Shaw looks less likely now that Evra has signed a new contract. Van Gall has claimed that Kroos was never in his plans now that Kroos has said he isn't moving !!
THESE ARE THE PLAYERS THAT YOU CLAIMED UNITED HAVE SEALED !! If you are going to have a go at the people that have got us into a position that most of us did not realistically expect then at least do them the decency of getting your facts right. You are actually giving credit to a club that went from first to seventh and made one of the worst decisions possible in giving Moyes the job of manager. And yet you still prefer to criticise the LFC hierarchy 

Mate if you can't accept that Ayre and his fellow recruiting minions are inept spuds then it really is hard to have any footballing conversation with you.

They were responsible for bringing in the disasters that were Aspas, Alberto, Cissokho and Moses. Let's not even talk about the colossal f**k up of the Ukrainian winger back in Jan. This is all in one season BTW. I and any other fan have every right to be f**king livid at this level of ineptitude, to say we were 2-3 players short of winning the title is a fair call. It was there job along with the owners to make this happen and they FAILED MISERABLY!

We came second because a lot of players we had played out of their skins. Suarez was head and shoulders the best player in the league, Sterling improved by a country mile, Henderson become a running beast machine man and Sturridge kept banging them in. Rodgers also was magnificent apart from the Chelsea game. Yes, we had a truly amazing season but I'm not going to just be a happy clapper and not concentrate on the reason why we didn't win the f**king thing altogether.

In boils down to the fact that our squad depth was bare bones and that we bought rubbish in at the start of the season and failed to add any quality throughout Jan. You can have a rub as much as you want at how fantastic we were but when next season starts it won't count for s**t if Ayre continues in his role, we keep bringing in rubbish transfers the likes we saw this season and the owners continue this frugal bs that maybe our eventual downfall.

Hopefully I'm spouting drivel and it doesn't happen, but that's my concern and I think it a very f**king valid one.

SouthCoastShankly » Sat May 24, 2014 3:16 pm wrote:

devaney » Sat May 24, 2014 7:22 am wrote:Eds - you suggest that the owners and the management have cost us the title and that the fans that actually have the mentality to appreciate what they have achieved will simply be spouting the same old drivel. We discussed this subject ad nauseam back in January and I have no wish to start it again because it would be like banging my head against the proverbial brick wall. Rather than congratulate them for achieving second place and missing the title by a couple of points you prefer to blame them for failing to win the title through ineptitude. 37 points from 42 during the run in was an incredible achievement an one that nobody expected. Losing Henderson at a vital time and some bad luck cost us the title. To be anywhere near to City and Chelsea was a major success which you seem incapable of recognising. Before the season started I seem to remember that you gave us virtually no hope of finishing in the top four. I'LL LEAVE THE JOB OF SPOUTING DRIVEL TO YOU 

Santa - Could we please have an update on the players that you clearly congratulated Man United on sealing so quickly whilst we were pontificating according to you: Kroos looks dead in the water and Shaw looks less likely now that Evra has signed a new contract. Van Gall has claimed that Kroos was never in his plans now that Kroos has said he isn't moving !!
THESE ARE THE PLAYERS THAT YOU CLAIMED UNITED HAVE SEALED !! If you are going to have a go at the people that have got us into a position that most of us did not realistically expect then at least do them the decency of getting your facts right. You are actually giving credit to a club that went from first to seventh and made one of the worst decisions possible in giving Moyes the job of manager. And yet you still prefer to criticise the LFC hierarchy 

^ what he said.

Even if we had won the league there would be the same muppets on here tearing some aspect of the club to pieces.

Poor excuses for football fans let alone liverpool supporters.

So all fans should be happy clappers and not worry about anything that warrants any semblance of a football discussion on a Liverpool FC forum.

Rightio........

eds » Sun May 25, 2014 5:00 am wrote:

devaney » Sat May 24, 2014 7:22 am wrote:Eds - you suggest that the owners and the management have cost us the title and that the fans that actually have the mentality to appreciate what they have achieved will simply be spouting the same old drivel. We discussed this subject ad nauseam back in January and I have no wish to start it again because it would be like banging my head against the proverbial brick wall. Rather than congratulate them for achieving second place and missing the title by a couple of points you prefer to blame them for failing to win the title through ineptitude. 37 points from 42 during the run in was an incredible achievement an one that nobody expected. Losing Henderson at a vital time and some bad luck cost us the title. To be anywhere near to City and Chelsea was a major success which you seem incapable of recognising. Before the season started I seem to remember that you gave us virtually no hope of finishing in the top four. I'LL LEAVE THE JOB OF SPOUTING DRIVEL TO YOU 

Santa - Could we please have an update on the players that you clearly congratulated Man United on sealing so quickly whilst we were pontificating according to you: Kroos looks dead in the water and Shaw looks less likely now that Evra has signed a new contract. Van Gall has claimed that Kroos was never in his plans now that Kroos has said he isn't moving !!
THESE ARE THE PLAYERS THAT YOU CLAIMED UNITED HAVE SEALED !! If you are going to have a go at the people that have got us into a position that most of us did not realistically expect then at least do them the decency of getting your facts right. You are actually giving credit to a club that went from first to seventh and made one of the worst decisions possible in giving Moyes the job of manager. And yet you still prefer to criticise the LFC hierarchy 

Mate if you can't accept that Ayre and his fellow recruiting minions are inept spuds then it really is hard to have any footballing conversation with you.

They were responsible for bringing in the disasters that were Aspas, Alberto, Cissokho and Moses. Let's not even talk about the colossal f**k up of the Ukrainian winger back in Jan. This is all in one season BTW. I and any other fan have every right to be f**king livid at this level of ineptitude, to say we were 2-3 players short of winning the title is a fair call. It was there job along with the owners to make this happen and they FAILED MISERABLY!

We came second because a lot of players we had played out of their skins. Suarez was head and shoulders the best player in the league, Sterling improved by a country mile, Henderson become a running beast machine man and Sturridge kept banging them in. Rodgers also was magnificent apart from the Chelsea game. Yes, we had a truly amazing season but I'm not going to just be a happy clapper and not concentrate on the reason why we didn't win the f**king thing altogether.

In boils down to the fact that our squad depth was bare bones and that we bought rubbish in at the start of the season and failed to add any quality throughout Jan. You can have a rub as much as you want at how fantastic we were but when next season starts it won't count for s**t if Ayre continues in his role, we keep bringing in rubbish transfers the likes we saw this season and the owners continue this frugal bs that maybe our eventual downfall.

Hopefully I'm spouting drivel and it doesn't happen, but that's my concern and I think it a very f**king valid one.

Eds you seem absolutely incapable of giving Ayres and the owners any credit for what they have achieved. You simply keep repeating the same somewhat tedious diatribe about a number of failed purchases and transfer deals. You certainly don't know the full story with regard to the players we failed to sign many who I'm pleased to say we didn't get, Soldado for example! Most of your criticism is pure conjecture. As for the failed purchases you seem to be ignoring the fact that Rogers who you accept has been brilliant is part of the transfer committee who were responsible for bringing in those players.

eds » Sun May 25, 2014 5:06 am wrote:

SouthCoastShankly » Sat May 24, 2014 3:16 pm wrote:

devaney » Sat May 24, 2014 7:22 am wrote:Eds - you suggest that the owners and the management have cost us the title and that the fans that actually have the mentality to appreciate what they have achieved will simply be spouting the same old drivel. We discussed this subject ad nauseam back in January and I have no wish to start it again because it would be like banging my head against the proverbial brick wall. Rather than congratulate them for achieving second place and missing the title by a couple of points you prefer to blame them for failing to win the title through ineptitude. 37 points from 42 during the run in was an incredible achievement an one that nobody expected. Losing Henderson at a vital time and some bad luck cost us the title. To be anywhere near to City and Chelsea was a major success which you seem incapable of recognising. Before the season started I seem to remember that you gave us virtually no hope of finishing in the top four. I'LL LEAVE THE JOB OF SPOUTING DRIVEL TO YOU 

Santa - Could we please have an update on the players that you clearly congratulated Man United on sealing so quickly whilst we were pontificating according to you: Kroos looks dead in the water and Shaw looks less likely now that Evra has signed a new contract. Van Gall has claimed that Kroos was never in his plans now that Kroos has said he isn't moving !!
THESE ARE THE PLAYERS THAT YOU CLAIMED UNITED HAVE SEALED !! If you are going to have a go at the people that have got us into a position that most of us did not realistically expect then at least do them the decency of getting your facts right. You are actually giving credit to a club that went from first to seventh and made one of the worst decisions possible in giving Moyes the job of manager. And yet you still prefer to criticise the LFC hierarchy 

^ what he said.

Even if we had won the league there would be the same muppets on here tearing some aspect of the club to pieces.

Poor excuses for football fans let alone liverpool supporters.

So all fans should be happy clappers and not worry about anything that warrants any semblance of a football discussion on a Liverpool FC forum.

Rightio........

Ask yourself this, if the summer transfer window has been a success and we had signed better players, would you have been expecting a title winning season?

Not even you are stupid enough to think that surely. As Tony Barrett rightly put it, we failed a goal we never set ourselves. All of us wanted CL football, fourth place. None if us dreamed of a title charge. Management included.

By the way, regarding the konoplyanka transfer failure. Ever report coming from the media, indicated the deal was done and that the failure was due to a last minute decision by the Dnipro owner not to sign the papers. In what world is that even close to our fault?

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So all fans should be happy clappers and not worry about anything that warrants any semblance of a football discussion on a Liverpool FC forum.

Rightio........[/quote]
Ask yourself this, if the summer transfer window has been a success and we had signed better players, would you have been expecting a title winning season?

Not even you are stupid enough to think that surely. As Tony Barrett rightly put it, we failed a goal we never set ourselves. All of us wanted CL football, fourth place. None if us dreamed of a title charge. Management included.

By the way, regarding the konoplyanka transfer failure. Ever report coming from the media, indicated the deal was done and that the failure was due to a last minute decision by the Dnipro owner not to sign the papers. In what world is that even close to our fault?[/quote]

Come on SCS you aren't that naive ,of course Ayre is a hopeless administrator ,Transfer deals can't and shouldn't be closed on the last minute of the transfer deadline...Rodgers never got what he needed no matter how this season ended ,and It's Ayre fault.

devaney » Sun May 25, 2014 9:21 am wrote:
Eds you seem absolutely incapable of giving Ayres and the owners any credit for what they have achieved. You simply keep repeating the same somewhat tedious diatribe about a number of failed purchases and transfer deals. You certainly don't know the full story with regard to the players we failed to sign many who I'm pleased to say we didn't get, Soldado for example! Most of your criticism is pure conjecture. As for the failed purchases you seem to be ignoring the fact that Rogers who you accept has been brilliant is part of the transfer committee who were responsible for bringing in those players.

I'm hardly going to give Ayres and our recruiting department any credit as they have been mostly diabolically s**t outside of the Sturridge and Coutinho signings in the past few seasons. Comolli (although in a different role) at least brought in Suarez but lost his job in the end for bringing in similar rubbish, yeah?

Conjecture? FFS The dross we have bought is right in front of everyone's noses and the inability to close out deal after deal has been frighteningly alarming. When we are playing with the big boys next season we won't have time for amateur hour and Ayre and his department's incompetence will become glaringly obvious.

If any credit for 2nd place goes out it's to Suarez (for almost winning us the title), most of our attacking players and Rodgers for being able to get the best from a wafer thin squad. But to attribute any of this success on Ayres would be absolute stupidity. As we ran out of steam due to his inability in the transfer market in Jan. That is indisputable.

The jury is still out on the owners. Until we see them spend some real money on quality players and not this penny pinching madness and loaning obsession which has depleted the quality on our bench we will find ourselves in deep s**t when injuries and suspensions take their toll. Especially challenging on 4 fronts next season.

SouthCoastShankly » Sun May 25, 2014 12:24 pm wrote:
Ask yourself this, if the summer transfer window has been a success and we had signed better players, would you have been expecting a title winning season?

Not even you are stupid enough to think that surely. As Tony Barrett rightly put it, we failed a goal we never set ourselves. All of us wanted CL football, fourth place. None if us dreamed of a title charge. Management included.

By the way, regarding the konoplyanka transfer failure. Ever report coming from the media, indicated the deal was done and that the failure was due to a last minute decision by the Dnipro owner not to sign the papers. In what world is that even close to our fault?

You should ask to get a job in Ayre's PR department.

Ask yourself in WHAT WORLD DOES AYRES LIVE IN WHEN HE LEAVES A MULTI MILLION TRANSFER TO THE VERY LAST HOUR OF THE VERY LAST DAY WHEN HE HAD ALL F**KING MONTH TO WRAP THIS UP?!?

But wait Devenay harps on about conjecture and extenuating circumstances when closing these deals out. Because there is so much "we don't know". Cos you know football transfers don't take place regularly and are really hard "mystical kind of thing" to complete..........

Amateur hour, really.

As for Barrett's comments on not winning the title, I guess we see the world differently SCS. You can use these comments as your safety blanket and teddy bear to have a good nights sleep after missing out on our most prized trophy in the last 2 decades.

Me on the other hand, I will continue to be disappointed as the day we let a 5 point lead slip and lose it when we should have won the f**king thing. I don't care what our "objectives were" it hurts like crazy not winning it when we had one hand on it and no little philosophical one liner will ease that.

Correct me if I'm wrong but elite sport is all about playing to win and not patting yourself on the back after a "good effort" ?

Only me - How the fk can it simply be Ayres fault? Rodgers together with the buying committee brought in several players during the summer and for whatever reason things simply have not worked out for several of them. The owners made the money available. The committee agreed on the players and Ayres negotiated the deals and bought the players. So in that scenario please explain just how Rogers has been let down and that the blame is solely down to Ayres.

The January transfer window is a totally different beast. Player availability is restricted and that makes it far more difficult. I agree that deals shouldn't be left until the last day but only a complete idiot would fail to understand the reasons why this happens time and time again. And guess what the same thing will happen again this summer.

We have got to improve in this vital area. Apart from Suarez, Coutinho and Sturridge we really haven't set the world on fire in the transfer market over the last couple of years and that must change. I can quite easily understand the frustration shared my many supporters and I don't simply put that down to them being negative whingers. My gripe is that all the blame seems to be aimed at Ayres and our owners and I simply don't accept that.

Eds - can't really be bothered mate - nothing will change you're somewhat miserable view. You talk about winning. Every fan was fully aware at the start of the season that our key objective was to get into the CL. We more than achieved that extremely difficult objective. Some would actually regard that as winning the opportunity to compete in footballs largest competition. So please forgive me for being immensely proud of what the club achieved this season.

As for the 5 point lead lets just ignore that City had a game in hand and that we had to play Chelsea. You actually make it sound as if we had a very simply task on our hands to close out the title when in reality we couldn't afford to drop one single point. 37 points out of 42 and you are still reaching for the Kleenex !!! The January transfer window had very little to do with the fact that we didn't win the league.The loss of Henderson for three games was the key reason. Exactly who with his ability did we fail to buy in January to provide cover for that eventuality. Football at times can be cruel and that is what happened when Henderson was sent off. Sturridge's injury didn't help either. No doubt that was probably Ayres fault as well !!