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[Benny The Noon]

For anyone wondering what all the fuss is about:

Andy Carroll loan move a possibility - Brendan Rodgers
Liverpool boss Brendan Rodgers says he would consider letting striker Andy Carroll go out on loan.

The 23-year-old England international has struggled to meet expectations since joining the club from Newcastle for a club record £35m in January 2011.

"It's something I would have to look at, I have to be honest," said Rodgers.

That was in response to a general question about players going on loan not specifically Andy Carroll

"Andy's always going to be linked with clubs, whether he was here or not. He knows exactly where he stands, but I have had no inquiries about him."

Carroll has been linked with a loan move to Italian side AC Milan, who were reportedly impressed by his displays at the recent European Championships, where he made three appearances for England and scored once, against Sweden.

Rodgers said: "There are many things to going on loan. Is it going to be beneficial for the club, that's the most important thing?

"Sometimes a player going out on loan - in general, not just Andy - can benefit the club in the long term.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18778825

Seems to me that Rodgers is keeping an open mind on the situation by neither ruling anything out or in. Would he speak in those terms about a player who was firmly in his plans for next season, I wonder?

[D___C]

I wast at the Liv-Man U game in April 1997 (the one where James gifted goals to Pallister and Cole) when we had a chance to go top. McManaman put in title winning calibre performances, as did Fowler. Those two in particuler were worthy of league winners medals... cant do anything when David James is in nets, and the likes of Ruddock and Babb are defenders, and no dominant Roy Keane type in central mid.

go to any derby games?

Deby games are a battle.. and the key areas of battle were central defence and midfield... we had a soft core. Redknapp, Barnes, Thomas.. wheres the combative holding player? We didnt have one. Meanwhile we had a shaky defence and a calamitous goalkeeper. Put Ryan Giggs in that side he wins nada also. He had Schmeichel in goal, Bruce and Pallister in defence, Keane in central mid. He also had a strong manager in Ferguson while we had a nice guy in Roy (too nice). You are picking fault at the wrong people.

[Benny The Noon]

They blew everything because they couldn't defend for Sh*t and James was fuckibg awful - nothing to do with bottle.

A player who lacks bottle is someone like Aquilani not Macca.

mcmanaman was a decent player but he could easily be bullied out of games, at the same time ryan giggs was running teams like wimbledon and everton  ragged, those were the types of teams that mcmanaman used to go missing against.
infact look at the derby games from that time, mcmanaman and barnes even went in the echo one day before a derby game saying they dread the fixture.
no wonder we never won one in about 10 games
there are countless story`s of that side lacking bottle including the one when we played chelsea at anfield when they had vinny jones and dennis wise.

Im staggered i really am - you must of watched a different Liverpool than i did during the 90's

Players like Macca and Robbie were the ones getting us into the chances yet let down by howlers at the back - season after season.

They lacked quality at the back simple as that and yes i watched every game week in week out.

Liverpool players do dread the derby - some thrive on it some dont - even in the 80's when we were dominating players used to dread it and we used to lose them on a number of occasions.

Macca didnt lack bottle - he lacked a solid platform behind him and robbie and colleymore.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

For anyone wondering what all the fuss is about:

Andy Carroll loan move a possibility - Brendan Rodgers
Liverpool boss Brendan Rodgers says he would consider letting striker Andy Carroll go out on loan.

The 23-year-old England international has struggled to meet expectations since joining the club from Newcastle for a club record £35m in January 2011.

"It's something I would have to look at, I have to be honest," said Rodgers.

"Andy's always going to be linked with clubs, whether he was here or not. He knows exactly where he stands, but I have had no inquiries about him."

Carroll has been linked with a loan move to Italian side AC Milan, who were reportedly impressed by his displays at the recent European Championships, where he made three appearances for England and scored once, against Sweden.

Rodgers said: "There are many things to going on loan. Is it going to be beneficial for the club, that's the most important thing?

"Sometimes a player going out on loan - in general, not just Andy - can benefit the club in the long term.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18778825

Seems to me that Rodgers is keeping an open mind on the situation by neither ruling anything out or in. Would he speak in those terms about a player who was firmly in his plans for next season, I wonder?

on the back of the echo he has picked carroll out for some reason and told him to up his game! all the driftwood we have in the squad and he picks out the one player trying his @rse off.
rodgers wants to stop following carragher around the training ground like a lost puppy and start doing his job.
or give carragher the job, at least he wont be a yes man.

[Benny The Noon]

What does he say on the back of the Echo then ( seeing as the quotes where from the same press conference yesterday )

[D___C]

haha..  this would be the "yes man" who told Henry and co that he wouldn't work under a D.O.F ?

Unlike "yes man" Kenny who did agree to?

[Benny The Noon]

This is the Echo Article - can someone point out to me where the headline fits in with what Rodgers has said


Brendan Rodgers lays down Andy Carroll challenge as he lines up Liverpool FC bid for Fabio Borini (VIDEO)

    by James Pearce, Liverpool Echo
    Jul 10 2012


   
LIVERPOOL FC are chasing the signature of Roma striker Fabio Borini as Brendan Rodgers challenged Andy Carroll to prove he can fit into the new set-up at Anfield.

The Reds boss, who hopes to secure his first signing by the end of the week, dismissed reports linking Carroll with a loan move to AC Milan but refused to provide any guarantees about the record signing’s long-term future.


Rodgers is keen to secure the services of 21-year-old Borini, who has previously worked with the Northern Irishman at Chelsea and on loan at Swansea.

However, the ECHO understands that negotiations with the Serie A outfit are still at an early stage and no deal is imminent.

The Italy international, who was co-owned by former club Parma prior to Roma buying him outright last month, is likely to cost in the region of £9million.

“The reality is we have only made three or four enquiries about players and hopefully can close out one deal this week which will be a real exciting one for the club, one the supporters will absolutely love,” Rodgers said.

“We don’t have a wheelbarrow load of money, there is not the money flying about people think there is. I want players that are hungry to succeed and want to match the ambitions of how we want to move forward.

“Going forward hopefully we can bring maybe two or three more and then with the group of players that I already have it will bode really well for us.”

Questions have been asked about how Carroll will fit into the 4-3-3 formation Rodgers is looking to install with the emphasis on a slick passing and pressing game.

The £35million man is still away having been granted four weeks leave following England’s exit from Euro 2012 but is set to meet up with the squad in Boston on July 23.

Andy is a player I want to assess and speak with, “ Rodgers said. “We’ve already had a good chat on where we’re at. He knows exactly where he stands.

“There will be many inquiries about our players so I will assess them and hopefully put together a group of players to help us challenge.

“Andy is a very good player. He’s shown that in his short career already. He’s made a massive move to a world renowned football club and there’s always going to be a time of adaptation, especially in the first six or seven months.

“You sometimes forget how young these people are. They’re not machines, they are humans. If you move from one part of the country to another, it will take time to adapt. But with the profile and pressure which is on straight away, obviously it can be very difficult.

“Time will tell for him and all the players whether they are in my plans, but my job is to assess that and then take it from there.”

Rodgers was impressed by the impact Carroll made at the Euros when he netted with a stunning header against Sweden. However, the manager needs to ensure he has the right talent to slot into the system he wants to play.

“That goal for England in the Euros typifies his strengths,” added Rodgers. “Andy got in between people, then there was an incredible header and finish.

“There’s no doubt he’s a very good player. Like every player, there are certain styles and systems they will be playing in which will allow them to flourish.

“He’s no different to any player we have here. They might have all the attributes but not the mentality to play. It’s a wee bit unfair for Andy to get labelled any other way.

“He’s a good kid so we will just see how the formation of the group shapes up over the next four or five weeks.

“My task is to build a group that can challenge. Hopefully when the bus leaves at the end of pre-season, it will have the people on it who I want.

Read More http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/Liverpool ... z20F2D3mxC



Not once did he also mention Borini as well nor say Carroll needs to up game

[friendlyguy33]

Benny if Rodgers talk at the press conference was just in general terms or generics about x player or y player going out on loan why did he specifically mention Carroll when he said this? Why didn't he mention Spearing, Downing, Henderson or one of the other players? He specifically talked about Carroll going out on loan possibly as if it could happen when he was asked the question and in that answer he refused to say that Carroll was part of his plans as he said he had to look at the squad and then decide.

I think he and the club already have decided on Caroll - the owners want at least half their money back.

Go and watch the press conference from where the quotes are taken from and see the context they were meant - not believe some manipulated article put together for the gulible.

He did not say Carroll is available for loan or he didnt say Carroll was going on loan or anything of the sort.

Carroll was mentioned because that was who the question was about.

I maybe credited Liverpool fans with a bit more common sense than to get sucked in by this nonsense

Why would a manager talk at a press conference about a player going out on loan if it was just an option? You haven't answered the point as to why he didn't say that Carroll was definitely part of his plans because you can't.

It's not about being sucked in by nonsense by taking people at their word and by what he said is clear in that if they get a loan offer from anyone Carroll will be on his way.

The manipulation is that by the club who think that the fans won't notice what's going on here - bump up Carroll's price so we can get £20 million for him next summer. It's not rocket science to work it out.

[Benny The Noon]

Benny if Rodgers talk at the press conference was just in general terms or generics about x player or y player going out on loan why did he specifically mention Carroll when he said this? Why didn't he mention Spearing, Downing, Henderson or one of the other players? He specifically talked about Carroll going out on loan possibly as if it could happen when he was asked the question and in that answer he refused to say that Carroll was part of his plans as he said he had to look at the squad and then decide.

I think he and the club already have decided on Caroll - the owners want at least half their money back.

Go and watch the press conference from where the quotes are taken from and see the context they were meant - not believe some manipulated article put together for the gulible.

He did not say Carroll is available for loan or he didnt say Carroll was going on loan or anything of the sort.

Carroll was mentioned because that was who the question was about.

I maybe credited Liverpool fans with a bit more common sense than to get sucked in by this nonsense

Why would a manager talk at a press conference about a player going out on loan if it was just an option? You haven't answered the point as to why he didn't say that Carroll was definitely part of his plans because you can't.

It's not about being sucked in by nonsense by taking people at their word and by what he said is clear in that if they get a loan offer from anyone Carroll will be on his way.

The manipulation is that by the club who think that the fans won't notice what's going on here - bump up Carroll's price so we can get £20 million for him next summer. It's not rocket science to work it ouit.

Go and watch the press conference ffs and see what he actually said.

He didnt say any player was part of his plans and said he needed to assess the squad and then make adjusts - he didnt highlight anyone.

Where the hell is from it clear that any loan offer from Carroll means he is off ? There is nothing clear about it all and its just you reading between the lines.

You have got yourself a lovely theory in your head and you wont divert from that no matter what is said.

[friendlyguy33]

Well we'll see I hope you're right but I don't think Carroll will be at the club for much longer.

[RichardLFC1]

The media Really do there jobs they put something in a paper or a website and it causes a stir. Rodgers is very cagey on revealling his plans which is a good thing. He states Carroll knows where he is at. So Brendan has made a descion on whether he wants him or not.

I personally think he will stay because he is a fantastic player with huge potential.

[LFC2007]

"It's something I would have to look at, I have to be honest," said Rodgers.

"Andy's always going to be linked with clubs, whether he was here or not. He knows exactly where he stands, but I have had no inquiries about him."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18778825

That was in response to a general question about players going on loan not specifically Andy Carroll

Where's the link to check that?

[Benny The Noon]

"It's something I would have to look at, I have to be honest," said Rodgers.

"Andy's always going to be linked with clubs, whether he was here or not. He knows exactly where he stands, but I have had no inquiries about him."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18778825

That was in response to a general question about players going on loan not specifically Andy Carroll

Where's the link to check that?

It was in the press conference - think there is a full video on the echo's sight.

Both reports aboout Borini and Carroll have been manufactured brilliantly.

[friendlyguy33]

I didn't come to the view I hold based on reading the Echo, the BBC story, the Mirror or any other manufactured link. I came to the view I hold based on watching Brendan at the press conference yesterday on LFCTV.

I deduced from what he said that if a loan offer comes in they will most likely accept it. It's funny how he talked about a Carroll loan just at the same time that the press came out with the story about Milan wanting Carroll on loan. I deduced from his comments that he was encouraging offers by deliberately stating that they hadn't had any offers. He didn't say 'we don't want any offers we're looking to keep Andy'. Where did he say that?

Like I said I hope I'm wrong but I think he'll be on his way before the end of August.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

The media Really do there jobs they put something in a paper or a website and it causes a stir. Rodgers is very cagey on revealling his plans which is a good thing. He states Carroll knows where he is at. So Brendan has made a descion on whether he wants him or not.

I personally think he will stay because he is a fantastic player with huge potential.

how do you think rodgers would respond if someone asked him if suarez or gerrard was going out on loan? do you think he`d say i have to be honest here it`s something i may have to look into if it`s beneficial for the player or the club?
if carroll goes and we get an 21 year old who`s played 8 games in england and a 30 year old recruitment seargent for the united states branch of the liverpool supporters club then this club is a joke, i`m just praying that all this crying poverty is a smokescreen and this signing that will have us `on the edge of our seats` is van persie or someone. i cant believe the club would contemplate moving carroll out without having a big name replacement.