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Postby Sir Roger » Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:21 pm

bigmick wrote:
Sir Roger wrote:But I dont believe Aquilani is a bad signing. Anyone who can assist as much in such a short time, plus score a goal is a good signing. And I believe that is "beyond sensible dispute"
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I think you mean you don't believe Aquilani is a bad PLAYER. You presumeably agree it's an awful signing to buy somebody for 20 million quid and then not play them, regardless of who it is. It's a ridiculous piece of business.

Where we really disagree, is whether or not he will eventually come anywhere near justifying his fee (assuming of course that at some point the manager plays him consistently, if he doesn't then surely all bets are off).

It obviously depends what you mean by a "bad signing"
If you take Shevchenko for example, he was bought to be the next leading goalscorer of the PL due to his track record in Europe. He was very poor in game after game to the extent he lost his confidence, didnt play and was shipped back to Europe. Thats what I call a bad signing. Having great expectations and the player not living up to them and in fact being so bad you have to offload him asap.
I dont see Aquilani in that mode. Maybe you must do?
I see a player who has had few starts, many assists and a goal. No he hasnt "tore up any trees" but I didnt expect him to. Hes brand new to a strange league and has unbelievable expectations from some quarters who are wanting him to be the new Alonzo and the new Zidane rolled into one.
You skirt around the main issue which is Rafas role in all or this, stating that "IT" is an awful signing and a ridiculous piece of business. This makes me presume that you believe Rafa has bought him, and then realised hes made a mistake so he doesnt play him because he is not "suited" to the PL. This is contradicted by his statistics. Which leads me to believe that hes actually a GOOD signing who is not being used or utilised properly by arguably a manager who looks like he hasnt got a Fu*king clue?
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Postby Ben Patrick » Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:25 pm

I know you quoted mick and i am sure he will reply himself at some point.
How is it contradicted by the statistics though ?

If he has come in and when played made assists and generally done well enough.
Then if Rafa doesnt think he has made a mistake and is unsuited to our game - why isnt he playing the majority of games ?
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Postby Sir Roger » Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:34 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:I know you quoted mick and i am sure he will reply himself at some point.
How is it contradicted by the statistics though ?

If he has come in and when played made assists and generally done well enough.
Then if Rafa doesnt think he has made a mistake and is unsuited to our game - why isnt he playing the majority of games ?

The obvious answers are:
Aquilani is very lucky to have got the assists and only got them against teams who were sh'ite so therefore dont count as true assists, which proves conclusively that he is unsuited to the PL
OR
Rafa is so stupid that he cant see the lads got class and is far more creative then the likes of Lucas which is why hes got all those assists, but because hes very stubborn as well, he wont go for the creative option, rather preffering the boring, static one which has left us where we are today
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Postby Ben Patrick » Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:39 pm

Sir Roger wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:I know you quoted mick and i am sure he will reply himself at some point.
How is it contradicted by the statistics though ?

If he has come in and when played made assists and generally done well enough.
Then if Rafa doesnt think he has made a mistake and is unsuited to our game - why isnt he playing the majority of games ?

The obvious answers are:
Aquilani is very lucky to have got the assists and only got them against teams who were sh'ite so therefore dont count as true assists, which proves conclusively that he is unsuited to the PL
OR
Rafa is so stupid that he cant see the lads got class and is far more creative then the likes of Lucas which is why hes got all those assists, but because hes very stubborn as well, he wont go for the creative option, rather preffering the boring, static one which has left us where we are today

So i take it your in the second category ?

With this in mind then - seeing as though Rafa is the manager we have and never picks him, he is a terrible signing.

Not because he isnt a good player, but because he doesnt play and replaced a key member in the team.
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Postby Fauxy » Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:39 pm

I honestly dont think Rafa doubts his ability, I think he knows what he is capable of which is why I reckon there is something fishy going on about Aquilani behind the scene's. Something we dont know about..

Could be some sort of an Injury, could be to do with money, they might have had a bust up. It just makes no sense for any person to not use a player they have just spent £20 Million on. Even for Rafa I find it bizzare.
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Postby Ben Patrick » Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:44 pm

Fauxy wrote:I honestly dont think Rafa doubts his ability, I think he knows what he is capable of which is why I reckon there is something fishy going on about Aquilani behind the scene's. Something we dont know about..

Could be some sort of an Injury, could be to do with money, they might have had a bust up. It just makes no sense for any person to not use a player they have just spent £20 Million on. Even for Rafa I find it bizzare.

Er, the name Robbie Keane springs to mind
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Postby Owzat » Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:45 pm

Sir Roger wrote:Aquilani is very lucky to have got the assists and only got them against teams who were sh'ite so therefore dont count as true assists, which proves conclusively that he is unsuited to the PL

So Gerrard getting 2 vs Stoke, 1 vs Burnley, 1 vs West Ham (home and away) and 1 each against brum and the bitters are all against class opposition? Or is it one set of rules for one player, one for another?

Aquilani's six for the record are :

3 vs Burnley
1 vs Portsmouth
1 vs Bolton
1 vs Tottenham

So much the same level of teams with the one Gerrard assist I didn't mention coming against citeh. I would take six assists in 669 minutes over seven in 2661 - one additional assist in near 2000 more minutes played and if the sides are so rubbish Aquilani creates goals then how come super Stevie G didn't/doesn't?
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Postby Fauxy » Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:47 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:
Fauxy wrote:I honestly dont think Rafa doubts his ability, I think he knows what he is capable of which is why I reckon there is something fishy going on about Aquilani behind the scene's. Something we dont know about..

Could be some sort of an Injury, could be to do with money, they might have had a bust up. It just makes no sense for any person to not use a player they have just spent £20 Million on. Even for Rafa I find it bizzare.

Er, the name Robbie Keane springs to mind

There is a difference though.

Keane was not playing well, he had a poor start and missed a lot of sitters. That could justify a reason for Rafa not playing him.

Aquilani however, has had a very good start especially considering hes just got back from injury. The statistics will back me up on that.
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Postby Ben Patrick » Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:51 pm

Fauxy wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:
Fauxy wrote:I honestly dont think Rafa doubts his ability, I think he knows what he is capable of which is why I reckon there is something fishy going on about Aquilani behind the scene's. Something we dont know about..

Could be some sort of an Injury, could be to do with money, they might have had a bust up. It just makes no sense for any person to not use a player they have just spent £20 Million on. Even for Rafa I find it bizzare.

Er, the name Robbie Keane springs to mind

There is a difference though.

Keane was not playing well, he had a poor start and missed a lot of sitters. That could justify a reason for Rafa not playing him.

Aquilani however, has had a very good start especially considering hes just got back from injury. The statistics will back me up on that.

Keane didnt start well i will give you that, but he also had a period where he scored about 4 in two games and then was dropped away at Newcastle.

Rafa works in mysterious ways.
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Postby tonyeh » Thu Apr 29, 2010 1:37 pm

bigmick wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:
kazza wrote:Rafa never wanted Keane.

Keep saying that totally made up excuse and it will come true one day  :no

It's incredible really isn't it.

I have another word for it.
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Postby tonyeh » Thu Apr 29, 2010 1:42 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:Rafa works in mysterious ways.

Hmmmm...I've another word for that too.
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Postby Penguins » Thu Apr 29, 2010 3:56 pm

Sir Roger wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:I know you quoted mick and i am sure he will reply himself at some point.
How is it contradicted by the statistics though ?

If he has come in and when played made assists and generally done well enough.
Then if Rafa doesnt think he has made a mistake and is unsuited to our game - why isnt he playing the majority of games ?

The obvious answers are:
Aquilani is very lucky to have got the assists and only got them against teams who were sh'ite so therefore dont count as true assists, which proves conclusively that he is unsuited to the PL
OR
Rafa is so stupid that he cant see the lads got class and is far more creative then the likes of Lucas which is why hes got all those assists, but because hes very stubborn as well, he wont go for the creative option, rather preffering the boring, static one which has left us where we are today

You forgot alternative 3 and 4.

Lucas is Rafa's lovechild OR Lucas, like Kuyt has those incriminating pictures of Rafa.
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Postby Sir Roger » Thu Apr 29, 2010 5:35 pm

Owzat wrote:
Sir Roger wrote:Aquilani is very lucky to have got the assists and only got them against teams who were sh'ite so therefore dont count as true assists, which proves conclusively that he is unsuited to the PL

So Gerrard getting 2 vs Stoke, 1 vs Burnley, 1 vs West Ham (home and away) and 1 each against brum and the bitters are all against class opposition? Or is it one set of rules for one player, one for another?

Aquilani's six for the record are :

3 vs Burnley
1 vs Portsmouth
1 vs Bolton
1 vs Tottenham

So much the same level of teams with the one Gerrard assist I didn't mention coming against citeh. I would take six assists in 669 minutes over seven in 2661 - one additional assist in near 2000 more minutes played and if the sides are so rubbish Aquilani creates goals then how come super Stevie G didn't/doesn't?

Youve definitely convinced me now.

Six assists in 669 minutes?

Hes an AWFUL signing and definitely NOT SUITED to this league!
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Postby Sir Roger » Thu Apr 29, 2010 9:03 pm

Should I start gloating now or what...?
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Postby Penguins » Thu Apr 29, 2010 9:05 pm

Well, I have always been a stern defender of his abilities.
Just don't know why Lucas is ahead of him normally.
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