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by **akumaface** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:34 am

Insua did play well in some game but obviously his lack of pace had been exposed. Too many times, the midfield need to come back to help. Same thing happened yesterday as even with Maxi back, there were problems and thus kuyt had switched back to left to help out. He is still young but the fact that you can't learn pace. Thus, we might need to look for another option.

by **zirgoz** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:37 am

With aurelio's glass legs, we seriusly need a top leftback, insua can be the third or fourth choice.

by **metalhead** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:19 am

PabloAimar wrote:should we have sold dossena? it'd be interesting to know how rafa decides which players he's going to give all the time in the world to (because they work hard) and who he's not going to (because they don't work as hard, regardless of the fact they're much better footballers)

Insua is better than dossenna

by **LittleHobo** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:24 am

insua looks to me like a left mid

good going forward, average defensively

why is he a left back?

by **Fauxy** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:46 am

LittleHobo wrote:insua looks to me like a left mid

good going forward, average defensively

why is he a left back?

Nah i disagree.

Left mids need to be pacey, have flair to take on and run at players and have ability to hold up play.

Insua has none of those, all he has in that department is a decent cross from his left foot.

by **stmichael** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:17 am

stmichael wrote:the lad still gives me kittens defensively, moreso than johnson who the media would have you believe "can't defend". i'd be genuinely worried about valencia running at him all game, especially if babel plays as he doesn't track back.

well seems like i was right then. you could see it coming a mile off.

the analysis of him on MOTD2 last night was spot on. half of the time he was getting too tight too valencia and the rest of the time he was nowhere near close enough.

poor header in the lead up to their first goal and absolutely woeful defending for the second. there's no way fletcher should be allowed the time and space to get that cross in.

by **Bad Bob** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 12:24 pm

stmichael wrote:
stmichael wrote:the lad still gives me kittens defensively, moreso than johnson who the media would have you believe "can't defend". i'd be genuinely worried about valencia running at him all game, especially if babel plays as he doesn't track back.

well seems like i was right then. you could see it coming a mile off.

the analysis of him on MOTD2 last night was spot on. half of the time he was getting too tight too valencia and the rest of the time he was nowhere near close enough.

poor header in the lead up to their first goal and absolutely woeful defending for the second. there's no way fletcher should be allowed the time and space to get that cross in.

I disagree about the second goal, mate. I hate to admit it but Neville made a very clever overlapping run that Insua needed to track. Maxi (I think) was helping him double up on Fletcher so he did the right thing and started to move with Neville, in case Fletcher fed him the ball. This gave Fletcher the space to make the cross but if Insua had stayed put, Neville would have been played into acres of space for the cross and we'd really be cursing the young Argie for not tracking the run!

by **Ben Patrick** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:14 pm

he is not a bad player but not upto it at this moment in time.
I would have him in the squad and have him playing the odd game here and there. But like Lucas he is a player that shouldnt be starting week in week out for liverpool.
Aurelio is a top player, underrated imo, but his injuries are chronic and we cant rely on him.
Its definately a position where we need to bring someone in this summer.
Who ? I dont know.

The lad Taiwo (sp) from marseille has been mentioned previously.

by **bunglemark2** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:16 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
stmichael wrote:
stmichael wrote:the lad still gives me kittens defensively, moreso than johnson who the media would have you believe "can't defend". i'd be genuinely worried about valencia running at him all game, especially if babel plays as he doesn't track back.

well seems like i was right then. you could see it coming a mile off.

the analysis of him on MOTD2 last night was spot on. half of the time he was getting too tight too valencia and the rest of the time he was nowhere near close enough.

poor header in the lead up to their first goal and absolutely woeful defending for the second. there's no way fletcher should be allowed the time and space to get that cross in.

I disagree about the second goal, mate. I hate to admit it but Neville made a very clever overlapping run that Insua needed to track. Maxi (I think) was helping him double up on Fletcher so he did the right thing and started to move with Neville, in case Fletcher fed him the ball. This gave Fletcher the space to make the cross but if Insua had stayed put, Neville would have been played into acres of space for the cross and we'd really be cursing the young Argie for not tracking the run!

If you want to point the finger anywhere for Park's goal, watch the replay and watch how Masch let Park get away from him, right in the box, having tracked him INTO the box....It was Masch to blame, if anyone...

by **stmichael** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:37 pm

in his defence, he's never got a consistent left sided midfielder infront of him most of the time so he's left exposed.

by **JC_81** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:18 pm

Insua isn't good enough. Bottom line.

He gets roasted every time when he is up against someone with pace who is direct. His signature manoevre this season has been the old arm across the winger as he glides past to try and obstruct him when he can't keep up. You simply can't get away with a fullback as slow as Insua in a side aiming for top honours... unless their anticipation and positional awareness was Alan Hansen-esque... sadly that can't be said of Insua.

by **Zidane** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:23 pm

Unless he becomes more intelligent in positioning, when and when not to be aggressive etc etc he will always get beat by players with pace. Hopefully he can learn these things since he's still young but if he doesn't this might be as good as it gets with him.

by **Reg** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:52 pm

Sounds like the lad needs to do stacks of sprint training over the summer. If fatty Rooney can do it, so can he.

by **blurblur** » Tue Mar 23, 2010 4:16 am

Bad Bob wrote:
stmichael wrote:
stmichael wrote:the lad still gives me kittens defensively, moreso than johnson who the media would have you believe "can't defend". i'd be genuinely worried about valencia running at him all game, especially if babel plays as he doesn't track back.

well seems like i was right then. you could see it coming a mile off.

the analysis of him on MOTD2 last night was spot on. half of the time he was getting too tight too valencia and the rest of the time he was nowhere near close enough.

poor header in the lead up to their first goal and absolutely woeful defending for the second. there's no way fletcher should be allowed the time and space to get that cross in.

I disagree about the second goal, mate. I hate to admit it but Neville made a very clever overlapping run that Insua needed to track. Maxi (I think) was helping him double up on Fletcher so he did the right thing and started to move with Neville, in case Fletcher fed him the ball. This gave Fletcher the space to make the cross but if Insua had stayed put, Neville would have been played into acres of space for the cross and we'd really be cursing the young Argie for not tracking the run!

yup... agreed that he did right in tracking Neville... that was a great run by Neville and it allowed Fletcher to send in the all-important cross in the game...
but it has to be noted that both goals that were leaked in came from his side... in fact, goals conceded in most games this season were mostly from his side...
for the first goal, Agger was pulled out of position to support Insua... why? because Insua is just not good enough... there is simply not enough trust in Insua from his defensive mates... if a player is good enough to hold his own against his opponent, there will not be such burden on his teammates at all...
all in all, Insua is just not good enough even though he's young and shows promise but not enough potential to warrant a world-class tag...

by **Scottbot** » Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:41 am

john craig wrote:Insua isn't good enough. Bottom line.

Is basically it i'm afraid. I thought he looked a real prospect coming through but he's struggling big time and i'd go so far to say he's been a liability. It's not just Insua, far too many crosses have come in from both sides this year, neither Johnson or Insua get close enough to their winger for me. It's only now he's gone that i've fully appreciated the shut down ability of Arbeloa. The irony is many of us whinge that Benitiez won't give youth a chance and the one lad who has come through needs replacing in the eyes of many/most fans.

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