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by **bigmick** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:17 am

JoeTerp wrote:but I thought that you were talking out picking out someone to be the Robespierre of a decade long Reign of Terror on the premier league. Surely Upson nor Hangeland could not do that.

Not for the first time Joe, you've gone over my head here. What or who is Robespierre?

As it goes though you're right I did refer to Sabre's post along those lines, I was just broadening it a bit to include Upson, a player I like a lot.

by **Sabre** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:43 am

bigmick wrote:
JoeTerp wrote:but I thought that you were talking out picking out someone to be the Robespierre of a decade long Reign of Terror on the premier league. Surely Upson nor Hangeland could not do that.

Not for the first time Joe, you've gone over my head here. What or who is Robespierre?

Robespierre of the french revolution, known for being french, left winged, write speechs, and losing his head (literally). BTW "the long reign of terror" is a time known like that by americans and english. Known to be impossible to bribe. A bit of a c--t too . Ah the french, the rotation concept wouldn't be the same without their rolling heads.

I don't know the football connection Joe makes though, I guess he reffers to a totalitarian domination of the CB position.

by **JoeTerp** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 2:30 pm

Sabre wrote:
bigmick wrote:
JoeTerp wrote:but I thought that you were talking out picking out someone to be the Robespierre of a decade long Reign of Terror on the premier league. Surely Upson nor Hangeland could not do that.

Not for the first time Joe, you've gone over my head here. What or who is Robespierre?

Robespierre of the french revolution, known for being french, left winged, write speechs, and losing his head (literally). BTW "the long reign of terror" is a time known like that by americans and english. Known to be impossible to bribe. A bit of a c--t too . Ah the french, the rotation concept wouldn't be the same without their rolling heads.

I don't know the football connection Joe makes though, I guess he reffers to a totalitarian domination of the CB position.

As Sabre has pointed out, he was the head guy during the reign of terror. Made a lot of heads roll (literally). the reference was someone to strike the fear of God into PL opponents, dominating the air and ground, for a sustained period of time

by **Redman in wales** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 2:43 pm

bigmick wrote:
JoeTerp wrote:picked the wrong CB if your going for the next best English CB. James Tomkins is the future

When I was checking out Upsons age Joe I happened onto a West Ham fans site and they certainly rate him fairly highly as one for the future, along with another centre half they've got called Spence, or Spencer or something like that.

I must confess I don't think I've seen him play so I can't offer an opinion, but going by his age and potential he wouldn't come cheap. I wonder if these days with these owners we are the type of club who will shell out 10 million quid on a kid who just might or might not turn into something. I notice Villa are going to get the kid from Leeds, Fabian Delph, and the World and his brother have had a good look at this lad. I think they've paid 6 million quid for him and that's less than figures which have been bandied about for a while. Once again though, although he has been hyped to the nth degree you are buying a kid who won't currently make the team.

who were the last young english lads bought from 'lower teams' for big money?

Ashley Young?

Walcott?

Are there any big money english lads that haven't made it?

by **LFC2007** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 2:59 pm

I'd have Upson, but not for £11-13m. For a 30yr old of his calibre thats ridiculous money. I'd prefer Richards for that kind of money. He may have gone off the boil a bit since is early days but he's still a quality player, someone who could cover for Johnson at RB as well as CB, would solve both our short and long-term problems there.

by **aCe'** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:14 pm

LFC2007 wrote:I'd have Upson, but not for £11-13m. For a 30yr old of his calibre thats ridiculous money. I'd prefer Richards for that kind of money. He may have gone off the boil a bit since is early days but he's still a quality player, someone who could cover for Johnson at RB as well as CB, would solve both our short and long-term problems there.

would Richards sign for us for arguably lower wages just to sit on the bench ? not that i think ManCity would be wanting to sell him for any sort of reasonable money or anything...

by **LFC2007** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:32 pm

If he plays to level we know he's capable of, I don't think he'd be warming the bench for very long. There's plenty of games, and a couple of positions he can fill. He was being touted for £5m-10m not so long ago, but when he was at his best he was being rated as a £25m player. People were on here arguing he was effectively the new Ferdinand. I say he's worth a look in spite of recent form; whether or not City would sell and whether he'd want to join I haven't the foggiest.

by **aCe'** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:38 pm

I dont think it has to do with his form as much as it does with his quality... to me atm hes a very good RB but not good enough to be a CB for a top club... probably at Skrtels level if not a little lower... his concentration and positioning leave alot to be desired and more often than not his pace and last ditch tackles get him out of sh!t he shouldnt have put himself into in the first place... Agree that he has great potential and all that but i dont think Mancity would let him go for any sort of reasonable money.. he's the best RB they have and as you say is potentially a very good CB in the making... at 5-10 he would have been a great steal for any top club, but i dont think those reports had any truth to them tbh...

by **LFC2007** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:52 pm

If you saw him play in 07/08 at CB you'd see that he has the quality. It's a bit like the Adebayor situation - one sub-standard season followed one exceptional one. The quality is there, he just needs to apply himself.

by **stmichael** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:43 pm

Really excited by this kid. I'm trying to remember the last time our left back had a chance at the back post like Insua did last night. The full back areas in general are looking promising.

I also notice how Insua was constantly talking to Ayal throughout the game which was good to see for one who is so young himself.

by **Dundalk** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:48 pm

Yeah he was good last night and lets not forget he is only 18. Will need to tighten up a bit on his defensive work but going forward he looks very good

by **Owzat** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:58 pm

LFC2007 wrote:I'd have Upson, but not for £11-13m. For a 30yr old of his calibre thats ridiculous money.

Uncannily Upson has been linked with a £12m move to villa, what an f in joke. And in the same rumours today it suggests smeegel wants £30m for Lescott which is the same as we sold Alonso for, as I compared if not on here then on another forum.

Silly money for players these days, you could have a "massively overpriced" XI these days

GK Gordon £9m
RB Johnson £17.5m
LB Dossena £7m
CB Upson £12m - injury prone
CB Lescott £30m
RM Valencia £16m
LM Downing £12m
CM Aquliani £20m - injury prone
CM De Jong £17.5m - could have waited and got on a free couldn't they?
CF Adebayor £25m
CF Santa Cruz £17.5m - one good season so far in his career

Would that XI win the Premiership or even the League Cup? Would anyone on here honestly pay £184m for that XI? (citeh fans can plead the fifth amendment)

by **GYBS** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:05 pm

Nice to see your slating Aquliani already and his hasnt even started a fecking game for us yet and johnson overpriced ? so far he is fully justifiying his price tag for us .

by **Fauxy** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:09 pm

GYBS wrote:Nice to see your slating Aquliani already and his hasnt even started a fecking game for us yet and johnson overpriced ? so far he is fully justifiying his price tag for us .

I agree, Johnson has shown us he can justify his price and Aquilani may have been injury prone at Roma but he may not be here.

And even if he is injury prone here he could still justify his price tag by performing well.

by **GYBS** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:15 pm

Fauxy wrote:
GYBS wrote:Nice to see your slating Aquliani already and his hasnt even started a fecking game for us yet and johnson overpriced ? so far he is fully justifiying his price tag for us .

I agree, Johnson has shown us he can justify his price and Aquilani may have been injury prone at Roma but he may not be here.

And even if he is injury prone here he could still justify his price tag by performing well.

gerrard had his problems early doors with injuries so has plenty other players including are own torres.

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