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by **bigmick** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:28 pm

......and we lose against Everton, does the manager survive? Should the manager survive, if he doesn't are we in a caretaker situation or do we bite the bullet and get in quickly for one of the World Cup non qualifiers?

If the manager does survive and it's a disrespectful question to even ask, will the owners be inclined to back him financially in the Summer with new signings or will they have a good excuse for a wait and see policy?

Are there any circumstances whatsoever in which a failure to get into the top four this season would be an acceptable effort?

by **Bad Bob** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:35 pm

Mick, is this thread suitably different from the existing Rafa threads to warrant it's own topic? We've got three on the go, presently, with the manager discussed in many others besides. Not trying to be klinkish here but also not wanting to split discussion either.

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:35 pm

Its still the same old question that answers yours mick - who takes over ?

Yes we all know the obvious choices from people

the maureens the hiddinks but do we see them coming to us ? Not in my eyes .

Should Rafa be sacked if we dont get into top 4 - i dont really know tbh - in some ways yes but in some ways i would give him another season and see what happens and see what sort of backing in the transfer market he would get - yes i know the answer from some would be why back him for another when he has failed to get us into europe - well it would be the first poor season in the prem and maybe just a season blip (yes a long one ) and maybe deserves a chance to turn it around .

If he does stay then the owners have to back him - and i dont mean sell to buy i mean a decent backing - it doesnt have to be 100 millions like Man City but enough to get one/two top quality players and a couple of decent back ups to give us a better balanced squad .

As for the first part - i still believe and always believe you shouldnt part with the manager during the season - for me their is no other manager available mid season to come in (and who would come in )

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:01 pm

If he wins a cup no matter what our position in the league he deserves another season. As I see it if we continue with this "bliiiiip" he might not get the chance to try for the FA cup but his successor may.

I certainly believe we should be starting to look at who is available, who will be available, and who is suitable if we lose the next two or three.

Dalglish left after a game against Everton, maybe his comeback will be after a game against Everton ?

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:03 pm

s@int wrote:If he wins a cup no matter what our position in the league he deserves another season. As I see it if we continue with this "bliiiiip" he might not get the chance to try for the FA cup but his successor may.

I certainly believe we should be starting to look at who is available, who will be available, and who is suitable if we lose the next two or three.

Dalglish left after a game against Everton, maybe his comeback will be after a game against Everton ?

The question is who Saint ?

Hiddink - Has stated that he would only ever go back to Chelsea in the prem .

Maureen - Seems to me wants the Manc job and has it easy over in Inter - would he really come to us in the state we are in ?

Who does that leave us ?
Dalglish left for more than footballing reasons and can never see him coming back and he seems to me to be firmly behind Rafa as well .

by **bigmick** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:08 pm

Bob I think the question is becoming increasingly relevent with each passing week, at what point do we bite the bullet if indeed we do. I do think it's a different question to those which currently exist on the boards, in that it's not intended as a critique of the manager or his methodology, it's simply asking whether at some stage a results based assessment will have to be made. I'm firmly in agreement with Benny in that you don't sack managers mid season, but even I'm starting to waver a little bit.

By all means lob it back into the Rafa Benitez thread if you want it really makes no odds to me either way, I'm sure one of the other mods will do it even if you don't. I just smell in the air though that we are reaching a crossroads. Also, the reasons which people are offering up as of now for our demise are still going to apply at the end of the season, valid or not. That's why I'm asking whether those reasons are sufficient to excuse a failure to qualify for the Champions League next season.

Anyway like I say mate, if you don't move it I'm certain somebody else will. Lets face it, it suits a particular slant of opinion to lump every single nuance into the same box, so no worries either way.

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:13 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
s@int wrote:If he wins a cup no matter what our position in the league he deserves another season. As I see it if we continue with this "bliiiiip" he might not get the chance to try for the FA cup but his successor may.

I certainly believe we should be starting to look at who is available, who will be available, and who is suitable if we lose the next two or three.

Dalglish left after a game against Everton, maybe his comeback will be after a game against Everton ?

The question is who Saint ?

Dalglish left for more than footballing reasons and can never see him coming back and he seems to me to be firmly behind Rafa as well .

Dalglish has already said he would be more than happy to fill ANY role for Liverpool mate.

Get Kenny in if Rafa is sacked/walks and then bring in whoever in the summer. Its all b0llocks this cr@p about they wouldn't come. Most managers would give their right arm for a job like Rafa's . Five years to build a team, full control over the youth, reserve and first team and £5million a year contract, and as long as they get CL football every year the owners are like a dog with two tails.

Although if we continue with this form I agree we may have a problem once we are relegated

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:21 pm

Just a suggestion Bob , where a thread may or may not be similar to others, why not just give them a day to see how things go before closing/merging them. The thread starter then gets his chance to see his name in lights (not you Mick

) and it saves you getting abused and accused of censorship etc etc.

by **The Good Yank** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:21 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:If he does stay then the owners have to back him - and i dont mean sell to buy i mean a decent backing - it doesnt have to be 100 millions like Man City but enough to get one/two top quality players and a couple of decent back ups to give us a better balanced squad .

This is a tough question for all the obvious reasons. Who would replace Rafa? I think T&T have backed themselves into a corner in which they are forced to sticking with Rafa. Not that this is an entirely bad thing. Any replacement of the upper echelon of managers would want guarantees about proper backing in the transfer market, something that I think we can all agree that will not happen with the two idiots.

Then T&T have to ask themselves, "If we can't assure a Hiddink or Mourinho that we'll spend the cash to improve the squad, who could we get that would do better than Rafa?" The two idjuts would then realise that they have to stick with Rafa.

The part I quoted struck me as funny. Benny says "not 100 millions" when unfortunately with what this squad needs it probably would cost about 100 million given the insane fees that we say back in the summer.

by **Bad Bob** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:22 pm

bigmick wrote:Bob I think the question is becoming increasingly relevent with each passing week, at what point do we bite the bullet if indeed we do. I do think it's a different question to those which currently exist on the boards, in that it's not intended as a critique of the manager or his methodology, it's simply asking whether at some stage a results based assessment will have to be made. I'm firmly in agreement with Benny in that you don't sack managers mid season, but even I'm starting to waver a little bit.

By all means lob it back into the Rafa Benitez thread if you want it really makes no odds to me either way, I'm sure one of the other mods will do it even if you don't. I just smell in the air though that we are reaching a crossroads. Also, the reasons which people are offering up as of now for our demise are still going to apply at the end of the season, valid or not. That's why I'm asking whether those reasons are sufficient to excuse a failure to qualify for the Champions League next season.

Anyway like I say mate, if you don't move it I'm certain somebody else will. Lets face it, it suits a particular slant of opinion to lump every single nuance into the same box, so no worries either way.

Alright, Mick, let's see how it goes. Here's hoping it moves beyond yet another airing of the old 'but who would you bring in?' discussion.

by **NANNY RED** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:22 pm

Sorry off topic here but does anyone know if that Jamie Redknapp piece got posted an if it did were is it :;):

by **Bad Bob** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:24 pm

NANNY RED wrote:Sorry off topic here but does anyone know if that Jamie Redknapp piece got posted an if it did were is it

It definitely was...I think in the official Benitez thread.

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:24 pm

Lack of real transfer funds - turbulent fans with the ownership - its not that dream of a job to outsiders and thats because of the owners mate .

Would another manager get what they want from the owners ? Im not sure tbh mate .

Then their is also who the owners would pick - they already looked into Klinsmann - that maybe the sort of manager they looking for .

yes i know kenny said he would do ANY role to HELP out RAFA was his words and in another interview he stated that he isnt looking at the managers job and wouldnt do it - that wasnt the reason why he decided to help Rafa out .

As for Hiddink we already know his close relationship with Roman and i can see him at the Bridge as a football director if he decides to leave the Russian job (Funded by Roman). He has already stated that he would only ever consider a return to Chelsea in the prem .

Maureen - just wouldnt ever see him working with our owners - he already fell out with Roman when he didnt get what he wanted .

Bar those two top managers who else is around - Mancini ? Maybe - very good record with Inter but backed once again by a lot of funds from the owners their .

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:25 pm

When Rafa first came , he came in as a manager that could supposedly win the league without waiting for a "five year plan" and without a lot of money.

FIVE YEARS LATER and we need ANOTHER £100MILLION

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:26 pm

NANNY RED wrote:Sorry off topic here but does anyone know if that Jamie Redknapp piece got posted an if it did were is it

I posted it Nanny in the main Rafa thread

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