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by **The_Rock** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:50 am

Emerald Red wrote:
The_Rock wrote:
Number 9 wrote:
bigmick wrote:Very very few people are saying we should sack the manager though Red, very very few. In fact, we are rapidly approaching the very odd situation where more people are moaning about people moaning about the manager than are people actually moaning about him, if you get my drift.

Look, if you lose 6 out of 8, winning one out of 8, exit the Carling Cup, as good as exit the title race and look like you're going to exit the Champions League, what do people expect fans on forums to do, nominate Rafa for manager of the month? At the start of the season we can only win four trophies, and it is looking distinctly probable that as of now we can only win one of them. People are going to have a moan, live with it.

Being a supporter is not clapping your hands on a forum and insisting you have "faith" in a manager and "believe" in him, even if you don't. Those who still do have "faith" in him and still do "believe" in him are entirely entitled to their opinion, but surely those of us who don't, and those who are wavering are surely entitled to the same consideration.

As I've said a few times, if people don't want to talk about the manager then they shouldn't do it. To try and stop other people talking about it though seems odd to me. Almost as odd as people (not you Red) implying that some of us aren't "real" fans because we think our performances and results this season are some way below what we're capable of. The World is a very odd place at the moment, that's for sure.

Well considering the point you have been wa,nking over Jose for about 3 years or since he parted our soils I find this rich...very very rich!

Ah Barry and all that...Ah Mick,as soon as your special one won the EPL and fu,cked off you have became a tw,at..thats not to say you were not one already!
Poor me gets flack..poor me,always picked on,poor me deserves more space........No offence like but I think bringing a sex shop to NZ was silly considering the sheep to man ratio?Call me sceptic?

PS your sarcasm is about as funny as a boot in the nuts!

This is the reason why this forum is going to the $hitters..... Posters like number 9, Emerald red, lando....(and others)...personally insulting members of this forum when we say anything remotely "bad" about the manager.

Have you seen Big Mick insulting another member of this forum ? Have u seen Lakes doing it ? Heimdell ? I haven't really insulted anyone here too for a long time....(i think )

But then check the previous posts of some of the so-called "pro-rafalites"... All filled with personal insults... Infact these are the people who always seem to start flame wars here.

The question is why aren't the Mods doing anything about it ?

What?

Why are you even mentioning me for? Tell you what: fuck off you clueless c0ck jocky! I support my team, whereas most would think you're sitting there either sucking Jose Mourninho's c0ck with an Everton or United top on. Gimp! You're no LFC supporter, I tell you that much now!

Edit - mods, card me. Well worth it in this case. Bit my tongue long enough over this eejit.

Another Insult...............Need I say more ? :no

by **andy_g** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:28 am

redbeergoggles wrote:
andy_g wrote:ooooooh, you power mad pen pushers, you

hands up who thoughts red's thread opener should have been framed in gold and accompanied by a herald of angels playing heavenly trumpets and brandishing both the nobel prize for literature and a copy of the universal declaration of human rights.

slight over reaction there, mate if you don't mind me saying so. (though i bet you do )

Me ? mind, of course I don't mind fella , after all its not like I could lean across and give you a good slap ,no this is the internet where nerds are indeed Kings ,the fact that you totally and unreservedly missed the point ,is an oversight on your behalf if you don't mind me mentioning that ?

nah, i think i got the point, red.

the point is that the mods merged your thread in line with recent decisions and you took it the wrong way. i don't see why your thread was more important than any other, and its not as if your post has disappeared. no need to get uppity about it.

and i will sleep more soundly tonight knowing that you won't be able to reach out and slap me. phew.

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:46 am

There needs to be some serious eye drying in here.

Our current form, or lack of, is fundamentally down to defensive errors. We look fragile against ANY team on the attack.

Positives
Johnson - World class. So good going forward he could be a winger.
Agger - I believe is our best defender, but you can see is struggling with fitness.
Insua - Can see some decent progression, but inexperience shows sometimes.
Aurelio - Our best left back when fit. Excellent delivery.

Negatives
Carragher - Hate to say it but this season is making him look like a has-been.
Skrtel - Not strong enough to produce form when the team is playing badly.
Kyrgiakos - Not good enough, end of.
Dossena - Need I say more.

When the likes of Upson is available in January for a sum around £2m but we all know Rafa wont go for him, something is wrong.

by **Emerald Red** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:57 am

SouthCoastShankly wrote:There needs to be some serious eye drying in here.

Our current form, or lack of, is fundamentally down to defensive errors. We look fragile against ANY team on the attack.

Positives
Johnson - World class. So good going forward he could be a winger.
Agger - I believe is our best defender, but you can see is struggling with fitness.
Insua - Can see some decent progression, but inexperience shows sometimes.
Aurelio - Our best left back when fit. Excellent delivery.

Negatives
Carragher - Hate to say it but this season is making him look like a has-been.
Skrtel - Not strong enough to produce form when the team is playing badly.
Kyrgiakos - Not good enough, end of.
Dossena - Need I say more.

When the likes of Upson is available in January for a sum around £2m but we all know Rafa wont go for him, something is wrong.

The rest of your post I agree with totally, but the first line made the most sense.

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:13 am

Things can only get better........ can't they ?

by **Dazzer** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:16 am

s@int wrote:Things can only get better........ can't they ?

No saint they can get alot worse if we don't start getting some wins 2 more draws or losses might see us drop bottom half of table and next 2 games is.

Citeh H
Everton A

I am sure those 2 teams would love to see us fall from grace and hammer us into the bottom half of the league. :sniffle

by **NANNY RED** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:35 am

bigmick wrote:Well I don't know about "stand up and believe" but I thought the crowd at Anfield against Birmingham were excellent. Particularly in the last half hour they were roaring the team home, and there was little sign of dissent at the end even though the result was obviously disappointing.

And that was exacly the point of this thread Michael, nothing else, Supporting and believing that what we are going through at the mo , on and off the pitch. we will come through it, It just seems mate that every time anything happens at Anfield even someone blowing there nose. the media are on it, Alls this thread was about was rallying together as Liverpool fans an fecking the lot of them off, We take enough s.hit from other supporters an i must say some of our own on the phone ins . Interviews on the telly, ect. Alls this thread was about was standing up an being counted , supporting an believing that we can overcome this,

Fecking hell i sound like someone from the Sally Army who goes round the pubs preaching :laugh:

But with that sentence i quoted Michael ,thats what it was about mate, But instead you got a few on here bringinG OTHER THINGS INTO IT,

Thats all , No its not , the stick i took off my son last night was merciful , merciful , Hes actualy panned out our next four results , with one of them us being absolutly batterd by the bitters, im not talking to him now , :laugh:

by **bunglemark2** » Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:04 am

Nan, assuming you are a regular on the Kop, then this post is for you and all your ilk, from none other than a wee Russkiy called Ar$eshaving:

Andrey Arshavin has risked the wrath of Gunners by labelling Liverpool fans the best in the world.
The Arsenal striker claims Russian fans should learn how to support their team better by taking lessons from Kopites.

He said: "Our fans need to learn from the English football supporters, and in particular from Liverpool fans."

Told that Chelsea star Yuri Zhirkov was awestruck by Manchester United fans after CSKA Moscow's trip to Old Trafford, Arshavin added: "It's only because he hasn't played against Liverpool yet."

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N166487091117-1219.htm

by **NANNY RED** » Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:07 pm

See what i mean about the media having a go ,They have turned an innocent film about us into a another pop why are these the head lines , fecking joke.

Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carragher risk film row

Liverpool have risked a furore over a film starring Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carragher that portrays Sir Alex Ferguson, the Manchester United manager, as a whisky-guzzling drunk and Gary Neville, the club’s captain, as a rat who “hates Scousers”.

Gerrard and Carragher were joined by Rafael Benítez, the Merseyside club’s manager, at the premiere of Fifteen Minutes That Shook The World in Liverpool on Monday evening.

The 43-minute film is a darkly humorous, fictional account of the events that inspired Liverpool’s fightback against AC Milan in the Champions League final in Istanbul in May 2005, when they came from 3-0 down at half-time to win on penalties.

But while the movie — which includes cameos from Gerrard and Carragher, the Liverpool captain and vice-captain respectively — was intended to be light-hearted and firmly tongue-in-cheek, it remains to be seen what United make of it.

In one scene, a Ferguson parody called McTaggart rings a Neville lookalike, wearing a United No 2 shirt bearing the name “Rat Boy” on the back, to celebrate Liverpool trailing Milan by three goals.

“Rat Boy”, whose features were digitally enhanced to make him more ratlike, responds by singing about how he “hates Scousers”, an ironic nod to the song that United fans chant about Neville’s widely perceived dislike of Liverpool.

When word comes through that Liverpool have drawn level, McTaggart is seen swigging furiously from a bottle of Scotch, which has the words “Manager of the Month but not as good as Bob Paisley” on it. He then tries to put his head in a noose only to be thwarted when the gum bubble he blows explodes over his face.

United declined to comment yesterday, but Ferguson and Neville are likely to be unimpressed, not least because of the involvement of Gerrard and Carragher and others at Anfield, even though they would not have been aware of the full extent of the content.

Ferguson did not react well the previous time a club tried to poke fun at United. He described Manchester City as a “small club with a small mentality”, arrogant, cocky and stupid for the “Welcome to Manchester” poster they erected in the summer after Carlos Tévez’s move to the club from Old Trafford.

Liverpool fans, though, will doubtless view the film as it was intended — a bit of fun — even if the timing of its release may raise a few eyebrows, coming as it has only days before Benítez’s team face Manchester City in the Barclays Premier League and Debrecen in the Champions League, games that could define their season.

Ferguson and Neville are by no means the only ones sent up in the film. Benítez, who is played by Neil Fitzmaurice, the actor and comedian, tells his players in the dressing room at half-time that “the whole damn world will take the p***, go on that pitch you shower of pigs and make it our day.” Of Dietmar Hamann, the former Liverpool player who also has a cameo in the film, Fitzmaurice’s Benítez says: “But what is Hamann, what has he got, he smokes, he drinks, he uses pot, but he will shine.”

Djimi Traoré, the former Liverpool defender, is brought into the dressing room in a box by Sami Hyypia, at which point Gerrard says, “Djimi, that’s the best you’ve been in the box all night,” while Carragher, when pressed by Benítez for his thoughts, can utter only the Scouse phrase: “I’m still chocka.” Gerrard adds that he “won’t be able to show my face” around his home town of Huyton if Liverpool do not stage a comeback.

The film was written by Dave Kirby, the Liverpool playwright, and will shortly go on general release at selected cinemas — although presumably not in Manchester — before being released on DVD in time for Christmas.

Truth stranger than fiction

Rafael Benítez went to the premiere of Fifteen Minutes That Shook The World on Monday night and laughed at the lampooning depiction of himself at half-time in Istanbul (Tony Evans writes). Yet the events in the dressing room at the Atatürk Stadium are so bizarre that fiction does not do them justice. Nor does Benítez need sending up. He repeats the story with wide-eyed humour.

The Liverpool manager rose from the bench with AC Milan leading 2-0. “I was thinking what to say,” he said. “Then Milan scored again.”

Benítez took off Djimi Traoré and sent on Dietmar Hamann. “Then I spoke,” he said. “For eight minutes. In English.” With the officials calling them back on the pitch, Benítez was told that Steve Finnan was injured.

Traoré was retrieved from the showers while Finnan pleaded to stay on. Benítez drew up his team. “I had Hamann, Finnan was still on and I added Traoré back,” he said, laughing. Someone pointed out he was sending out 12 men. “So I rubbed out both full backs,” he said. “It left ten men.”

With a bit of help, Benítez sent 11 on to the pitch, Liverpool came back to 3-3 and won on penalties. File under “great team-talks”.

by **made in UK** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:35 am

I'm sorry but thats b.loody great humour! Gary 'the rat' Neville and the Whiskey guzzling drunk. :laugh:

I'd love it to be a Blockbuster hit, the more exposure the better. :;):

by **heimdall** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:58 am

The_Rock wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
The_Rock wrote:
Number 9 wrote:
bigmick wrote:Very very few people are saying we should sack the manager though Red, very very few. In fact, we are rapidly approaching the very odd situation where more people are moaning about people moaning about the manager than are people actually moaning about him, if you get my drift.

Look, if you lose 6 out of 8, winning one out of 8, exit the Carling Cup, as good as exit the title race and look like you're going to exit the Champions League, what do people expect fans on forums to do, nominate Rafa for manager of the month? At the start of the season we can only win four trophies, and it is looking distinctly probable that as of now we can only win one of them. People are going to have a moan, live with it.

Being a supporter is not clapping your hands on a forum and insisting you have "faith" in a manager and "believe" in him, even if you don't. Those who still do have "faith" in him and still do "believe" in him are entirely entitled to their opinion, but surely those of us who don't, and those who are wavering are surely entitled to the same consideration.

As I've said a few times, if people don't want to talk about the manager then they shouldn't do it. To try and stop other people talking about it though seems odd to me. Almost as odd as people (not you Red) implying that some of us aren't "real" fans because we think our performances and results this season are some way below what we're capable of. The World is a very odd place at the moment, that's for sure.

Well considering the point you have been wa,nking over Jose for about 3 years or since he parted our soils I find this rich...very very rich!

Ah Barry and all that...Ah Mick,as soon as your special one won the EPL and fu,cked off you have became a tw,at..thats not to say you were not one already!
Poor me gets flack..poor me,always picked on,poor me deserves more space........No offence like but I think bringing a sex shop to NZ was silly considering the sheep to man ratio?Call me sceptic?

PS your sarcasm is about as funny as a boot in the nuts!

This is the reason why this forum is going to the $hitters..... Posters like number 9, Emerald red, lando....(and others)...personally insulting members of this forum when we say anything remotely "bad" about the manager.

Have you seen Big Mick insulting another member of this forum ? Have u seen Lakes doing it ? Heimdell ? I haven't really insulted anyone here too for a long time....(i think )

But then check the previous posts of some of the so-called "pro-rafalites"... All filled with personal insults... Infact these are the people who always seem to start flame wars here.

The question is why aren't the Mods doing anything about it ?

What?

Why are you even mentioning me for? Tell you what: fuck off you clueless c0ck jocky! I support my team, whereas most would think you're sitting there either sucking Jose Mourninho's c0ck with an Everton or United top on. Gimp! You're no LFC supporter, I tell you that much now!

Edit - mods, card me. Well worth it in this case. Bit my tongue long enough over this eejit.

Another Insult...............Need I say more ?

It's the way they continually prove our points which brings a smile to my face, the best one is when they accuse us of being abusive and disrespecting them.

by **kazza** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:19 am

heimdall wrote:
The_Rock wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
The_Rock wrote:
Number 9 wrote:
bigmick wrote:Very very few people are saying we should sack the manager though Red, very very few. In fact, we are rapidly approaching the very odd situation where more people are moaning about people moaning about the manager than are people actually moaning about him, if you get my drift.

Look, if you lose 6 out of 8, winning one out of 8, exit the Carling Cup, as good as exit the title race and look like you're going to exit the Champions League, what do people expect fans on forums to do, nominate Rafa for manager of the month? At the start of the season we can only win four trophies, and it is looking distinctly probable that as of now we can only win one of them. People are going to have a moan, live with it.

Being a supporter is not clapping your hands on a forum and insisting you have "faith" in a manager and "believe" in him, even if you don't. Those who still do have "faith" in him and still do "believe" in him are entirely entitled to their opinion, but surely those of us who don't, and those who are wavering are surely entitled to the same consideration.

As I've said a few times, if people don't want to talk about the manager then they shouldn't do it. To try and stop other people talking about it though seems odd to me. Almost as odd as people (not you Red) implying that some of us aren't "real" fans because we think our performances and results this season are some way below what we're capable of. The World is a very odd place at the moment, that's for sure.

Well considering the point you have been wa,nking over Jose for about 3 years or since he parted our soils I find this rich...very very rich!

Ah Barry and all that...Ah Mick,as soon as your special one won the EPL and fu,cked off you have became a tw,at..thats not to say you were not one already!
Poor me gets flack..poor me,always picked on,poor me deserves more space........No offence like but I think bringing a sex shop to NZ was silly considering the sheep to man ratio?Call me sceptic?

PS your sarcasm is about as funny as a boot in the nuts!

This is the reason why this forum is going to the $hitters..... Posters like number 9, Emerald red, lando....(and others)...personally insulting members of this forum when we say anything remotely "bad" about the manager.

Have you seen Big Mick insulting another member of this forum ? Have u seen Lakes doing it ? Heimdell ? I haven't really insulted anyone here too for a long time....(i think )

But then check the previous posts of some of the so-called "pro-rafalites"... All filled with personal insults... Infact these are the people who always seem to start flame wars here.

The question is why aren't the Mods doing anything about it ?

What?

Why are you even mentioning me for? Tell you what: fuck off you clueless c0ck jocky! I support my team, whereas most would think you're sitting there either sucking Jose Mourninho's c0ck with an Everton or United top on. Gimp! You're no LFC supporter, I tell you that much now!

Edit - mods, card me. Well worth it in this case. Bit my tongue long enough over this eejit.

Another Insult...............Need I say more ?

It's the way they continually prove our points which brings a smile to my face, the best one is when they accuse us of being abusive and disrespecting them.

What is not to understand. You come to a Liverpool supporters forum, you don't support the team (all under the disguise of "we want more for the team" but really it is just a big whine-fest) and then you cannot understand why the majority object to the constant stream of drivel; "Rafa is sh1t", "Kuyte is sh1t" "Lukas is sh1t" gets monotonous and irritating (whether he candy coats it or not). I'd say it is quite simple really.

I know we are not playing well and in a bit of a crisis, I do not need some idiot to tell me in every post he posts. That is NOT what the club needs, the club needs support from their supporters. If you and all the others showed more balance maybe you would be taken more seriously. It can't ALWAYS be bad.

by **kazza** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:34 am

Number 9 wrote:No offence like but I think bringing a sex shop to NZ was silly considering the sheep to man ratio?Call me sceptic?

PS your sarcasm is about as funny as a boot in the nuts!

Ahhh New Zealand, where the men are men, the women are too and the sheep are scared.

by **Ciggy** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:21 am

kazza wrote:I know we are not playing well and in a bit of a crisis, I do not need some idiot to tell me in every post he posts. That is NOT what the club needs, the club needs support from their supporters.

Hear hear

by **andy_g** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:02 am

my guess is that half the posters on here wouldn't recognise a balanced viewpoint if it smacked them in the face.

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