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by **andy_g** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:49 pm

but are they our best players?

alonso and mascherano are very good players, but they're not our best players. arbeloa was our best right back but not one of our best players. i think that once aquilani gets a couple more games under his belt we'll miss alonso a lot less, and i think that benitez isn't stupid enough (i hope) and keen enough on DMs to get a proper replacement in with the mascherano money. we already know that at right back we've seen a huge improvement - at least in the attacking sense.

alonso was as good as gone as soon as he was put up for sale the summer before and it seems like mascherano's feelings a combination of family pressure and agent head turning.

i'm not too worried about these players' reasons for leaving but i'll be worried if other important players begin to think the ship might be sinking and it might be time to jump off as well. and with benitez being such a great man manager and all...

by **tubby** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:51 pm

Of course they were some of our best players. Masch and Alonso were 2 of the few that we could actually call world class.

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:53 pm

Voronin says he will fight for his place Bav, so not everyone wants to go

by **tubby** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:55 pm

s@int wrote:Voronin says he will fight for his place Bav, so not everyone wants to go

I hate it when he says that. Honestly mate how the hell did we end up with a player like him. God almighty I would rather have Cisse back here before him.

Im starting to get really fustrated with whats going on this season.

by **bigmick** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:55 pm

andy_g wrote:but are they our best players?

alonso and mascherano are very good players, but they're not our best players. arbeloa was our best right back but not one of our best players. i think that once aquilani gets a couple more games under his belt we'll miss alonso a lot less, and i think that benitez isn't stupid enough (i hope) and keen enough on DMs to get a proper replacement in with the mascherano money. we already know that at right back we've seen a huge improvement - at least in the attacking sense.

alonso was as good as gone as soon as he was put up for sale the summer before and it seems like mascherano's feelings a combination of family pressure and agent head turning.

i'm not too worried about these players' reasons for leaving but i'll be worried if other important players begin to think the ship might be sinking and it might be time to jump off as well. and with benitez being such a great man manager and all...

They may not have been our "best" players overall Andy (they are Torres and Gerrard obviously) but they were certainly our best players in their respective positions. There was also a long debate about Alonso whereby many posters maintained that while he possibly wasn't our "best" player he was our most "important" player. While I wouldn't agree with that, our performances so far this season have certainly proven that he was at the very least ONE OF our most important performers.

Having come as close to having a title winning team last season as we have been in mnay years, it is a bit disappointing that three of the first eleven have expressed a desire to leave, even though we were fairly obviously on the cusp at the very least of being a good team.

by **andy_g** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:03 pm

yeah, i know. the point i was trying to make is that they are not the 'irreplaceables' like torres and gerrard - as we've seen already this season we are a bit fecked without them. alonso has been badly missed but will be less so now that aquilani is coming into the picture. mascherano is a great DM, captain of argentina etc etc etc, but hasn't been at his best for a while and we've still won games. as long as he is replaced sensibly i don't think we'll miss him as much as some fear.

by **NANNY RED** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:05 pm

s@int wrote:Voronin says he will fight for his place Bav, so not everyone wants to go

Well at least thats one bit of good news ,made me day that has :down:

by **tubby** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:09 pm

andy_g wrote:yeah, i know. the point i was trying to make is that they are not the 'irreplaceables' like torres and gerrard - as we've seen already this season we are a bit fecked without them. alonso has been badly missed but will be less so now that aquilani is coming into the picture. mascherano is a great DM, captain of argentina etc etc etc, but hasn't been at his best for a while and we've still won games. as long as he is replaced sensibly i don't think we'll miss him as much as some fear.

Well based on how we didn't replace Alonso id say it is a bit of a situation. Rafa probably wont be able to spend as much as he rakes in.

by **made in UK** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:23 pm

bavlondon wrote:
andy_g wrote:yeah, i know. the point i was trying to make is that they are not the 'irreplaceables' like torres and gerrard - as we've seen already this season we are a bit fecked without them. alonso has been badly missed but will be less so now that aquilani is coming into the picture. mascherano is a great DM, captain of argentina etc etc etc, but hasn't been at his best for a while and we've still won games. as long as he is replaced sensibly i don't think we'll miss him as much as some fear.

Well based on how we didn't replace Alonso id say it is a bit of a situation. Rafa probably wont be able to spend as much as he rakes in.

He replaced Alonso with with Aquilani, I fully understand why you say 'haven't replaced him' because after all the Italian was bought injured and has hardly played..

But its the doctors fault :laugh:

by **NANNY RED** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:25 pm

Can someone answer me this im sure ive read it somewhere ,but havnt we got up until a certain time to prove to Eufa that we are finacialy ok. or we could lose our Euro licence or something, Makes me think a few sales could be forced here on Rafa , Maybe ive misunderstood the ins an outs an could be totaly wrong about the time linit thing , But if it is correct ill guarentee you therll be more than Javier going

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:27 pm

NANNY RED wrote:Can someone answer me this im sure ive read it somewhere ,but havnt we got up until a certain time to prove to Eufa that we are finacialy ok. or we could lose our Euro licence or something, Makes me think a few sales could be forced here on Rafa , Maybe ive misunderstood the ins an outs an could be totaly wrong about the time linit thing , But if it is correct ill guarentee you therll be more than Javier going

I think that was last season Nanny, but I suppose they may ask us again now for next season?

by **made in UK** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:35 pm

s@int wrote:What worries me most is what Alonso said. He is not the type of player who slags off a team for no reason, so when he says something I think it carries a bit of weight. He said something along the lines of....... "the team has changed too much since 2006, and things are'nt the same".

I think one of the hardest things in football is getting a good team spirit among the players. With all the changes both of staff and players, and the problems with the owners I wonder whether the moral and spirit of the club is not what it should be. We have seen heads dropping or being shaken when players have come off, rumours of blazing rows between key players in the dressing room, and even on the pitch things have been tense at times.

Obviously our troubled start to the season hasn't helped , but maybe its just a sign of problems within the club rather than just loss of form.

Good post.

by **NANNY RED** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:54 pm

s@int wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:Can someone answer me this im sure ive read it somewhere ,but havnt we got up until a certain time to prove to Eufa that we are finacialy ok. or we could lose our Euro licence or something, Makes me think a few sales could be forced here on Rafa , Maybe ive misunderstood the ins an outs an could be totaly wrong about the time linit thing , But if it is correct ill guarentee you therll be more than Javier going

I think that was last season Nanny, but I suppose they may ask us again now for next season?

Your most prob right saint , So whens are next installment to the bank due then

, Because this is gonna carry on happening imo, Players who are worth millions out the door an players bought on a provi cheque brought in , I honestly think Rafas hand is being forced here ,

by **made in UK** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:56 pm

NANNY RED wrote:
s@int wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:Can someone answer me this im sure ive read it somewhere ,but havnt we got up until a certain time to prove to Eufa that we are finacialy ok. or we could lose our Euro licence or something, Makes me think a few sales could be forced here on Rafa , Maybe ive misunderstood the ins an outs an could be totaly wrong about the time linit thing , But if it is correct ill guarentee you therll be more than Javier going

I think that was last season Nanny, but I suppose they may ask us again now for next season?

Your most prob right saint , So whens are next installment to the bank due then , Because this is gonna carry on happening imo, Players who are worth millions out the door an players bought on a provi cheque brought in , I honestly think Rafas hand is being forced here ,

Yeah by Mascherano

by **NANNY RED** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:06 am

made in UK wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:
s@int wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:Can someone answer me this im sure ive read it somewhere ,but havnt we got up until a certain time to prove to Eufa that we are finacialy ok. or we could lose our Euro licence or something, Makes me think a few sales could be forced here on Rafa , Maybe ive misunderstood the ins an outs an could be totaly wrong about the time linit thing , But if it is correct ill guarentee you therll be more than Javier going

I think that was last season Nanny, but I suppose they may ask us again now for next season?

Your most prob right saint , So whens are next installment to the bank due then , Because this is gonna carry on happening imo, Players who are worth millions out the door an players bought on a provi cheque brought in , I honestly think Rafas hand is being forced here ,

Yeah by Mascherano

Show me one quote from the Express article that says Javier wants a tranfer,from him personaly , his agent yes , But not him , So i will refrain from calling him names until he fecks us over ,tbh

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