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by **Emerald Red** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:33 am

Big Niall wrote:just finished watching "the cell' on bbc4, basically DNA is the substance of all cells, and all DNA can be transferred from one cell to another, they took one out of the jelly fish and put it into a cell of a flower and it glowed green. As cells, break up and multiply, it therefore seems logical that all our cells originate from the same cell with the one piece of DNA.

While not disproving God (which is probably impossible to do anyway) it does seem like all life form is derived from a single cell.

Any religious people believe this.

Note - it cannot be proven that a God did not create that cell with that DNA.

All forms of life are a mutation derived from a single cell. Not something that I pulled off Google or a TV program either. Just something I actually remember learning from school, so. Now, where that single cell came from is something that no one can give an answer to.

by **JoeTerp** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:18 am

but people have pretty decent ideas answering "we don't know" with "well then God did it" is not a sufficient answer. Also, competing theories on things do not all have a equal % of being right or legitimate.

by **tubby** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:01 am

I wonder if it is possible for scientists to be religious. If they believe in these theories strong enough then religion must seem like nothing more than a contradiction.

by **laza** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:10 am

by **Judge** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:38 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
Big Niall wrote:just finished watching "the cell' on bbc4, basically DNA is the substance of all cells, and all DNA can be transferred from one cell to another, they took one out of the jelly fish and put it into a cell of a flower and it glowed green. As cells, break up and multiply, it therefore seems logical that all our cells originate from the same cell with the one piece of DNA.

While not disproving God (which is probably impossible to do anyway) it does seem like all life form is derived from a single cell.

Any religious people believe this.

Note - it cannot be proven that a God did not create that cell with that DNA.

All forms of life are a mutation derived from a single cell. Not something that I pulled off Google or a TV program either. Just something I actually remember learning from school, so. Now, where that single cell came from is something that no one can give an answer to.

many can give a hypothesis to ER

for example, if conditions are right, then life can spontaneously arise - ie: primordial soup etc.

i read once (cant give you the link etc sorry), that the japanese had spontaneously created a single functioning cell from some amino acids and an electrical charge.

facinating work. so to answer your question - that single cell (mitochondrial eve) mustve rose from the depths of the earth from a similar experience.

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:02 pm

Judge wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
Big Niall wrote:just finished watching "the cell' on bbc4, basically DNA is the substance of all cells, and all DNA can be transferred from one cell to another, they took one out of the jelly fish and put it into a cell of a flower and it glowed green. As cells, break up and multiply, it therefore seems logical that all our cells originate from the same cell with the one piece of DNA.

While not disproving God (which is probably impossible to do anyway) it does seem like all life form is derived from a single cell.

Any religious people believe this.

Note - it cannot be proven that a God did not create that cell with that DNA.

All forms of life are a mutation derived from a single cell. Not something that I pulled off Google or a TV program either. Just something I actually remember learning from school, so. Now, where that single cell came from is something that no one can give an answer to.

many can give a hypothesis to ER

for example, if conditions are right, then life can spontaneously arise - ie: primordial soup etc.

i read once (cant give you the link etc sorry), that the japanese had spontaneously created a single functioning cell from some amino acids and an electrical charge.

facinating work. so to answer your question - that single cell (mitochondrial eve) mustve rose from the depths of the earth from a similar experience.

I would argue that your source was untrue, if not misled.

I read quite a look of scientific literature and I am yet to see reference to such an outstanding claim. A quick search of the interweb and ...

As of 2009, no one has yet synthesized a "protocell" using basic components which would have the necessary properties of life (link)

The issue here probably is the definition of "living cell".

by **LFC2007** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:14 pm

Scientists have managed to synthesise some of the key components of cells, but they haven't yet forged a self-contained living system.

Not that this is of particular relevance in the religious domain.

by **Big Niall** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:00 pm

anybody here think that god created us as we are and all the other creatures as they presently are?

by **Emerald Red** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:59 pm

Judge wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
Big Niall wrote:just finished watching "the cell' on bbc4, basically DNA is the substance of all cells, and all DNA can be transferred from one cell to another, they took one out of the jelly fish and put it into a cell of a flower and it glowed green. As cells, break up and multiply, it therefore seems logical that all our cells originate from the same cell with the one piece of DNA.

While not disproving God (which is probably impossible to do anyway) it does seem like all life form is derived from a single cell.

Any religious people believe this.

Note - it cannot be proven that a God did not create that cell with that DNA.

All forms of life are a mutation derived from a single cell. Not something that I pulled off Google or a TV program either. Just something I actually remember learning from school, so. Now, where that single cell came from is something that no one can give an answer to.

many can give a hypothesis to ER

for example, if conditions are right, then life can spontaneously arise - ie: primordial soup etc.

i read once (cant give you the link etc sorry), that the japanese had spontaneously created a single functioning cell from some amino acids and an electrical charge.

facinating work. so to answer your question - that single cell (mitochondrial eve) mustve rose from the depths of the earth from a similar experience.

But the fact is, no living soul alive has a clue as to where the building blocks came from in the first place or how it even started.

If all we are is thought produced by chemical reactions causing energy, and if energy is a process that is continuous without ever expiring, just merely shifting form from one process to another, then does it not make sense that once a body stops functioning that this energy must go somewhere else as per the rule of science?

For example, everything around you contains energy in one form or another. A piece of bread, as inanimate as it is, can be eaten to produce energy in our muscles, mucles that produce movement in order to strike a match, causing another chemical reaction that produces heat, heat that causes the air to move, or the temperature to change and so on. One big continuous cycle. Thing is, and it's something that's interesting to think about, is that living organisms seem to have been designed in some way to house that energy or to faciliate it and produce a set of reactions that are not spontanious in nature.

by **tubby** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:00 pm

But we evolved from the monkeys and the neanderthal so not really as we are now. But close. Anyone watch that 'Inside Nature's Giant's' on Channel 4 a few months back?

Essentially an animal autopsy show but co narrated by Richard Dawkins he goes onto explain how evolution is present in the animals ect... Although the croc remains pretty much as it has always been even from prehistoric times.

by **Emerald Red** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:02 pm

Big Niall wrote:anybody here think that god created us as we are and all the other creatures as they presently are?

Depends on what your definition of "God" is. If it's the picture book sort, where he's a man with a big white beard, then no.

by **Emerald Red** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:09 pm

bavlondon wrote:But we evolved from the monkeys and the neanderthal so not really as we are now. But close. Anyone watch that 'Inside Nature's Giant's' on Channel 4 a few months back?

Essentially an animal autopsy show but co narrated by Richard Dawkins he goes onto explain how evolution is present in the animals ect... Although the croc remains pretty much as it has always been even from prehistoric times.

Crocs, sharks, insects.

All at the top of the evolutionary ladder, which means they've evolved as far as what their set purpose in life is meant to, or has been allowed to by nature. Who or what decides these factors? Who knows. On an evolutionary scale, it's still baffling how a beast managed to walk upright and start fires, invent the wheel, create the internet and start talking . Not all in that order. That would be daft of course.

But still, it is odd that when we first climbed out of the ocean all those millions of years ago, that we were basically hardly any different genetically to that of the crocs.

by **tubby** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:34 pm

It's facinating stuff ER and I love reading about it. Just think the biggest mammal in the sea - the whale, once walked on all fours.

by **Emerald Red** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:55 pm

bavlondon wrote:It's facinating stuff ER and I love reading about it. Just think the biggest mammal in the sea - the whale, once walked on all fours.

It is, yeah. You take for granted when looking at things in nature, but how they came to be what they are is facinating stuff. They were all designed by something for a specific purpose in life. Their very form, whereas we are the direct opposite. The only living creatures that don't have a set purpose apart from the individual is what sets us apart.

by **Big Niall** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:09 pm

I used to think we were evolved from neandarthals, but we aren't. There was a time when they co-existed on the planet. They were a similar specie though.

I really should read more on it.

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