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Postby Bam » Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:09 am

s@int wrote:
dawson99 wrote:Well i like it...

I don't think Joe is counting sex as a spectator sport Dawson

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Postby Sabre » Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:40 am

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JoeTerp wrote:I think its a pleasant surprise how many people watched Fernando Torres goal over here.

--snip irrelevant part--

personally, I thought it would have been lower. It took place mid day during the summer. Terrible time for tv, and it did double what basketball or baseball games normally get.

Are there any numbers for for who watched the finals of the Copa Del Rey or Copa Italia in England?

Joe I could make an unaccurate list, but do you want to know accurate figures of tv share?

If so, I'll do it tonite.
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Postby Bad Bob » Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:02 pm

Well, in fairness, the US does have more than 300,000,000 people and a large pool of domestic sporting options so it's little surprise that the vast majority of them focus on their own sports.  I'd think that Joe is a bit of anomaly amongst his countrymen in that regard.  Which gets me wondering, Joe...how many sports do you follow as closely or more closely than footy?  I get the impression that you eat, live and breath sports in all its various forms so how do you find the time?  And, have you ever considered following in Dawson's footsteps and becoming a bookie? :D
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Postby Dundalk » Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:04 pm

Im surprised the Ryder Cup didnt draw a bigger audience - and it was in America last year
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Postby Roger Red Hat » Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:22 pm

Dundalk wrote:Im surprised the Ryder Cup didnt draw a bigger audience - and it was in America last year

they aint interested in sports they can't win mate.

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Postby Dundalk » Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:38 pm

But they won it ??? :D
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Postby GYBS » Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:43 pm

they prob dont even realise that mate - the ryder cup to them went down in value ever since the europeans starting winning it so much - even to the point the golf public over there put more prestiege on the Presidents Cup (because they win that ) .
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Postby JoeTerp » Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:44 pm

Bad Bob wrote:Well, in fairness, the US does have more than 300,000,000 people and a large pool of domestic sporting options so it's little surprise that the vast majority of them focus on their own sports.  I'd think that Joe is a bit of anomaly amongst his countrymen in that regard.  Which gets me wondering, Joe...how many sports do you follow as closely or more closely than footy?  I get the impression that you eat, live and breath sports in all its various forms so how do you find the time?  And, have you ever considered following in Dawson's footsteps and becoming a bookie? :D

My local American football team probably owns the most of my sporting heart, but I don't like to spend much time discussing them especially online. Only with my brother and father.

Next would come my universities football, basketball, and lacrosse teams, and again I don't spend much time online with them but I discuss them a lot with my friends and brother and father. I probably wish I followed recruiting more but that is kind of a big commitment to follow really seriously.  I just ask my friends who do for the executive summary of who is coming in.

But college football in general is the sport I follow most closely. I have 3 tvs on at the same time for 12 hours every Saturday from September till December. I have so many schools/players that I both love and hate.  I also think that the college football scene is the closest thing to European footie in America (tradition/atmosphere/super clubs/proper league schedules in some cases)

Liverpool probably is the next most important team to me, probably more than college lacrosse even. But it certainly takes up the biggest part of my online time, probably because I have the most to learn and I cannot talk about it to anyone. Sort of my brother, I buy him jerseys and send him clips and he knows a good bit but certainly is not as intense a fan as I am.

I follow the NBA and MLB with casual interest. Rarely do I watch entire games end to end. If my local basketball team was not the worst in the league I would watch them more often, but I don't feel any connection with the team.  I just root for the players that I like. I have even less connection with the local baseball team as they only just came here 4 years ago, and I probably follow baseball in general with even less interest.

That being said I still catch highlights of almost every game, every day.

If the local footie side are playing against a Mexican team, sometimes I will go to that, and I follow their season about as closely as the basketball team.

Rarely follow hockey, but I do want to go to some Caps games so I can watch Alexander the Great. I did watch all their playoff games last year.



I will usually watch 3 la liga and 4 prem games each weekend,  plus 1 from Brazil, maybe one German if its a good match up and probably a Serie A game if its one of the bigger match ups, same with Argentina

Massive golf fan. Mostly because my dad is, and he claims to have been mates with Fred Funk in college (but he is best mates with his agent)

Use to not watch tennis until I saw the last Wimbledon. Now I think I will watch any final with Nadal.

Gave NASCAR a legit shot, but I don't think its for me. They say once you go to a race you will be hooked, but I did that too and it wasn't anything to write home about.

I am trying to follow rugby union but its just not really doing it for me. Rugby League and 7s I think are more up my alley. But I can only get one or two NRL games a week and I haven't found Superleague on telly yet.

Also starting to watch GAA and AFL and find them both pretty interesting.

Don't bet on the ponies, but I do make it a point to watch all three triple crown races.

Also pretty big into UFC/MMA. Bought a couple of PPVs.

The Olympics is one of my favorites times of the year, both of em, watch as much as I can in every event.



I also watch a fair bit of primetime tv and old movies :D



Been unemployed since January, thats how I find the time. Although I feel that has mostly allowed me to increase my movie watching time.
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Postby JoeTerp » Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:48 pm

Dundalk wrote:Im surprised the Ryder Cup didnt draw a bigger audience - and it was in America last year

what hurts the numbers is that its an average of the 3 days and I am sure not many people watched on Friday. Plus, it takes place while American football is going on, Tiger was not involved (ratings double or triple when he is), and we had been getting our @ss kicked lately. Hopefully the next one will have better numbers.
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Postby JoeTerp » Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:55 pm

how about you bad bob, I guess Ice Hockey is number 1, but then what? canadian football, box lacrosse, footy, curling?
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Postby Bad Bob » Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:17 pm

JoeTerp wrote:how about you bad bob, I guess Ice Hockey is number 1, but then what? canadian football, box lacrosse, footy, curling?

If you mean me personally, I watch English footy and CL footy and that's it.  It's the only sport I have time for (that's why your list above boggles my mind. :D )  I used to be a massive baseball and basketball fan growing up because those were the sports I played.  I've completely lost interest in both of them, though, with the exception of a passing interest in college tournament.

If you mean Canada in general, then yeah hockey's absolutely huge.  Curling has a following but only when the odd big tournament rolls around.  I don't know a single person that watches lacrosse...which is ironic given that it's our official national sport.  CFL football is only popular in parts of Canada--primarily out West and in Quebec.  I know a lot more Canadians that are interested in the NFL (even the few posers who claim they like the CFL better because it is "ours"). I've bumped into a growing number of English (or Italian) footy fans but it's still very much on the fringe of Canadian sport consciousness, I would say.

So, I would say that the vast majority of Canadians follow hockey religiously and, after that, are more likely to be a big fan of one or more of the major U.S. sports rather than another 'Canadian' sport.
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Postby account deleted by request » Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:40 pm

JoeTerp wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:Well, in fairness, the US does have more than 300,000,000 people and a large pool of domestic sporting options so it's little surprise that the vast majority of them focus on their own sports.  I'd think that Joe is a bit of anomaly amongst his countrymen in that regard.  Which gets me wondering, Joe...how many sports do you follow as closely or more closely than footy?  I get the impression that you eat, live and breath sports in all its various forms so how do you find the time?  And, have you ever considered following in Dawson's footsteps and becoming a bookie? :D

My local American football team probably owns the most of my sporting heart, but I don't like to spend much time discussing them especially online. Only with my brother and father.

Next would come my universities football, basketball, and lacrosse teams, and again I don't spend much time online with them but I discuss them a lot with my friends and brother and father. I probably wish I followed recruiting more but that is kind of a big commitment to follow really seriously.  I just ask my friends who do for the executive summary of who is coming in.

But college football in general is the sport I follow most closely. I have 3 tvs on at the same time for 12 hours every Saturday from September till December. I have so many schools/players that I both love and hate.  I also think that the college football scene is the closest thing to European footie in America (tradition/atmosphere/super clubs/proper league schedules in some cases)

Liverpool probably is the next most important team to me, probably more than college lacrosse even. But it certainly takes up the biggest part of my online time, probably because I have the most to learn and I cannot talk about it to anyone. Sort of my brother, I buy him jerseys and send him clips and he knows a good bit but certainly is not as intense a fan as I am.

I follow the NBA and MLB with casual interest. Rarely do I watch entire games end to end. If my local basketball team was not the worst in the league I would watch them more often, but I don't feel any connection with the team.  I just root for the players that I like. I have even less connection with the local baseball team as they only just came here 4 years ago, and I probably follow baseball in general with even less interest.

That being said I still catch highlights of almost every game, every day.

If the local footie side are playing against a Mexican team, sometimes I will go to that, and I follow their season about as closely as the basketball team.

Rarely follow hockey, but I do want to go to some Caps games so I can watch Alexander the Great. I did watch all their playoff games last year.



I will usually watch 3 la liga and 4 prem games each weekend,  plus 1 from Brazil, maybe one German if its a good match up and probably a Serie A game if its one of the bigger match ups, same with Argentina

Massive golf fan. Mostly because my dad is, and he claims to have been mates with Fred Funk in college (but he is best mates with his agent)

Use to not watch tennis until I saw the last Wimbledon. Now I think I will watch any final with Nadal.

Gave NASCAR a legit shot, but I don't think its for me. They say once you go to a race you will be hooked, but I did that too and it wasn't anything to write home about.

I am trying to follow rugby union but its just not really doing it for me. Rugby League and 7s I think are more up my alley. But I can only get one or two NRL games a week and I haven't found Superleague on telly yet.

Also starting to watch GAA and AFL and find them both pretty interesting.

Don't bet on the ponies, but I do make it a point to watch all three triple crown races.

Also pretty big into UFC/MMA. Bought a couple of PPVs.

The Olympics is one of my favorites times of the year, both of em, watch as much as I can in every event.



I also watch a fair bit of primetime tv and old movies :D



Been unemployed since January, thats how I find the time. Although I feel that has mostly allowed me to increase my movie watching time.

Kinell Joe! Have you never thought about having sex for a change mate. You are addicted to sport.
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Postby Sabre » Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:06 pm

In Spain the data I can find to you is about tv share of national tvs. That is, out of 100 people watching national tvs, the percentage of people that sees the tv.

In March, for instance

The most seen program in TV was the Real Madrid - Liverpool game, with a 41% share. Meaning, out of all spanish watching tv, whatever program, 4.1 were watching the game. In terms of spectators it was close to 8 Million Spaniards. It was more seen that the Spain - Turquey game the other day, which had 39% share.

The absolute record is around 13 Million, which is achieved in World Cups and Euros.

Generally speaking, I'd say (if you trust my reckoning) that in Spain the most seen sports would be

1.-Football
2.- Tour de France in Mountain stages. When normal stages it would be the 8th sport or something)
3.- Formula 1 (Bandwagon fans, they weren't watching this when Alonso was not around and Mansell drove)
4.- MotoGp (There's pretty tradition of motorbikes in my country)
5.- Basketball
6.- Tennis, if we're talking about a grand slam or Davis Cup.
7.- Handball (A very continental sport with a tradition here Joe, the English do not like it)

It all depends. It's not the same a USA-SPain basketball in the olympiads, which was seen by millions, or a ACB game Estudiantes-Barcelona.

In the middle earth, :D, we have some extra games that would appear in the 4th or 5th place:

1.- Basque Handball.

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It's like the Jai Alai that is now in decline in USA and you could see in the Miami Vice intro. The difference being that you hit the ball with the hand. The ball is pretty hard, it's not a tennis ball. In the Basque sports there's always some bruteness.

The Jai Alai (which means Happy Party) is only a variant of that game in which a curved basket is used. There are other variants too

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2.- Stone Lifting. Yes, stone lifting, english for Harrijasotzaile

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That's 260 Kg = 573.1922398566 pounds.

The total record IIRC is Perurena's 320 Kg = 705.4673721312 pounds.

3.- Trunk chopping :D

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The guy cutting the trunks earlier wins. Actually we do world shows with guys from Australia, Ireland and the States. The axes in australia are bigger, and the techniques slightly different, but there's being some international shows as of late.
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Postby JoeTerp » Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:02 pm

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nothing like a bit of logrolling to go with some tree chopping. :D

The Great Outdoor Games as they are known are always fun to watch, but not really followed seriously by ubran or suburban people.

Bob, did you know you lot were the reigning world champions of lacrosse? real lacrosse too, not the indoor kind that you play. Almost like Brazils futsal team beating Spain's footy team in proper football. Highly embarrassing for a Marylander (lacrosse is our state team sport)


Sabre, how about individual "star power"? How would you rank the following in order(1-15): Sergio Garcia, Rafa Nadal, Fernando Torres, Raul, Puyol, Rudy Fernandez, Pau Gasol, Ricky Rubio, Bojan, Andres Palop, Fernando Alonso, Carlos Sastre, Alejandro Valverde, Dani Pedrosa, David Barrufet.
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Postby Sabre » Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:17 pm

For me David Barrufet is a legend, but generally speaking

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Sometimes it's difficult to compare, but all of them would be known. It's a tricky one but I guess the top footballers like Torres or Raul are more popular in raw numbers than Gasol.  Gasol and Nadal would have similar impact, perhaps Nada more. Then we'd have Puyol. Then we'd have a declining Raul, with more raw fans than Gasol. Bojan has still to grow more to be over Gasol in popularity. Gasol is more popular than Rudy, and Rudy more followed than Ricky Rubio so far. But probably Ricky will overtake Rudy at some point. Alonso can be compared to Gasol. Palop would be less known than the mentioned and only would be known by footie fans, rather than any guy in the street.

Then the Pedrosas, and the Valverdes and the Sastres have similar impact, but Sastre at some distance of the first two. Probably Pedrosa is less famous than Torres, Raul and Puyol and Bojan, but more than Palop. Sergio Garcia would be in this group aswell. Severiano Ballesteros is still more popular than the Pedrosas and Valverdes. Sergio is not that famous.

David Barrufet the keeper would be sadly last.

It's difficult to categorise Joe :D
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