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by **Sir Roger** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:19 pm

How many throw ins we squander?

For years I have been saying that LFC do not take throw ins seriously (i.e. whether they are as much of an advantage that other teams seem to think.)

We constantly get throws in every game, have no one to receive and invariably give the ball back to the opposition.

Can anyone shed light on why this happens?
Any stats?

by **GYBS** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:21 pm

How do you squander a throw in

thought it was a main weapon when we had riise ?

by **Sir Roger** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:31 pm

GYBS wrote:How do you squander a throw in

thought it was a main weapon when we had riise ?

Ha are you serious?

squander:
verb
"to waste opportunities by not using them to your advantage"

Do you not understand the question?

Let me simplify:
When we get throw-ins how come so many are wasted?
Or havent you noticed?

Pssst...By the way Riise plays for Roma...
:;):

by **GYBS** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:33 pm

Sorry but dont think throw ins is really a major talking point in our game and something that is really looked at in that much depth .

by **Sir Roger** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:37 pm

GYBS wrote:Sorry but dont think throw ins is really a major talking point in our game and something that is really looked at in that much depth .

Exactly my point
Yet you see players fuming if they dont get the decision
Why bother if, like you say, they are worthless?

You just said Riises throw was used as a weapon much like Delap. We all know they give possession to a team.
Why are they not seen as an advantage?

by **GYBS** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:40 pm

Fuming is think is a bit of a strong word , would rather concentrate on things that are done with the ball at players feet and not like the delap methid which is there only attacking weapon . what extra work can be done on throw ins ? you throw it to someone who is making themselves space or throw it to someone to challenge in the air for ?

by **Roger Red Hat** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:44 pm

Sir Roger wrote:
GYBS wrote:How do you squander a throw in

thought it was a main weapon when we had riise ?

Ha are you serious?

squander:
verb
"to waste opportunities by not using them to your advantage"

Do you not understand the question?

Let me simplify:
When we get throw-ins how come so many are wasted?
Or havent you noticed?

Pssst...By the way Riise plays for Roma...

maybe you would get a more serious discussion about your observations if you refrained from been so defensive and condasending (sp?) to people responses. GBYS asked a simple question 'How do we squander the throw ins?' is it because we dont create goal scoring chances from them?

please elaborate.

by **Sir Roger** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:47 pm

GYBS wrote:Fuming is think is a bit of a strong word , would rather concentrate on things that are done with the ball at players feet and not like the delap methid which is there only attacking weapon . what extra work can be done on throw ins ? you throw it to someone who is making themselves space or throw it to someone to challenge in the air for ?

So you have never seen players fuming or questioning or objecting if they dont get the decision?
Maybe we see games differently. Keep your eye out in future and youll see what I mean

Other teams seem to take throw ins more seriously and do their best not to give the ball back to the opposition from the result of a throw in.
We generally dont.

I wondered if anyone else noticed this.
You obviously havent

by **7_Kewell** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:50 pm

Sir Roger wrote:
GYBS wrote:Fuming is think is a bit of a strong word , would rather concentrate on things that are done with the ball at players feet and not like the delap methid which is there only attacking weapon . what extra work can be done on throw ins ? you throw it to someone who is making themselves space or throw it to someone to challenge in the air for ?

So you have never seen players fuming or questioning or objecting if they dont get the decision?
Maybe we see games differently. Keep your eye out in future and youll see what I mean

Other teams seem to take throw ins more seriously and do their best not to give the ball back to the opposition from the result of a throw in.
We generally dont.

I wondered if anyone else noticed this.
You obviously havent

can't say i've noticed that much, i mean its not like we throw them to the opposition every week. Besides, it didn't see mto cause much problem on tuesday :;):

by **Owzat** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:53 pm

It's a weapon for teams that ain't very good, hurling the ball at tall targets in the area.

But is there any point us hurling the ball into the area when we've not many good headers of the ball? Unless you have an accurate long-ball merchant to throw it in, you could simply waste possession. Best use of a throw in from my perspective is what we did against Besiktas, quick and releasing a player (even if it should have been their throw!) We do lose possession too easily at times from throw-ins, but more often from passes

PS has anyone noticed how often we squander possession in open play, from free-kicks, corners, shots..........................? Quick, make Sir Roger the manager.

by **Sir Roger** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:55 pm

My best answer is that Ive noticed it for years
I understand how people have not noticed it because throw-ins in most part of the pitch are seen as innocuous or trivial. My point is that we give possession away too easily from alot of them every game.
Yet other teams seem to think of them as important and a way to keep possession and build up to a goal.
Is that not the basic essence of football?

by **GYBS** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:57 pm

Im sorry Sir Rog but no i dont see what you are seeing when it comes to throw ins .

I have no idea how you can tell we dont take throws seriously enough and other teams do take it seriously unless its their main attacking weapon .

by **Owzat** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:57 pm

I'm more worried we give possession away from poor passing, dribbling into trouble, poor set pieces, hoofing the ball upfield.

If you do go off and find some stats, see how often we give away possession from throws compared to other means of giving away possession.

by **Sir Roger** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 3:03 pm

Owzat wrote:It's a weapon for teams that ain't very good, hurling the ball at tall targets in the area.

But is there any point us hurling the ball into the area when we've not many good headers of the ball? Unless you have an accurate long-ball merchant to throw it in, you could simply waste possession. Best use of a throw in from my perspective is what we did against Besiktas, quick and releasing a player (even if it should have been their throw!) We do lose possession too easily at times from throw-ins, but more often from passes

PS has anyone noticed how often we squander possession in open play, from free-kicks, corners, shots..........................? Quick, make Sir Roger the manager.

If I couldnt do a better job than Rafa...
:;):

I dont just mean using them as a weapon

You said it here:

"Best use of a throw in from my perspective is what we did against Besiktas, quick and releasing a player (even if it should have been their throw!) We do lose possession too easily at times from throw-ins, but more often from passes"

Its easier for me to see how passes can lose possession, but from throw ins I just find it so frustrating that professional footballers cant master the art of how to give and accept a throw off a team mate.

Its not fuc.king rocket science
Is it?

by **Owzat** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 3:05 pm

GYBS wrote:Im still struggling to think wether or not he is being serious and this is a serious thread or not

You can just put his words into mental images :-

"We constantly get throws in every game, have no one to receive and invariably give the ball back to the opposition"

So Arbeloa looks right, left and because there's noone there he just throws it anywhere and hopes it goes to a team-mate! It's also quite funny that "we constantly get throw ins every game" as if he wasn't expecting it and we get them non-stop.

But like I said, I'm less worried about wasteful throw-ins, more by other wastefulness. The hoofed clearance that we scored from should really have been coming straight back at us. And what about the growing frequency of players passing the ball back to players in obvious offside positions? (especially out wide where there's little immediate goal threat) Or needless free-kicks conceded. I think throw-in wastefulness is the least of our worries

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