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bigmick wrote:

Leonmc0708 wrote:

bigmick wrote:My point is though, I do think the manager is at fault for neither being here/there and there being no replacement for the qualities they had.

Torres replaces Crouchs chicken wire neck, score tally and lack of pace.

Torres replaces KEans lack of pace, bad attitude and general club footedness around the penalty area.

He is also better then both at their perceived good points.

THUS

there is a replacement for the qualaties they had.

Well arguably he does replace the chicken wire neck    I'll give you that. Unfortunately though, there are occasionally circumstances where Torres can't replace everyone all the time. If he were to get injured (Torres) then we'd see one of those circumstances. In that scenario, the fact we haven't got another legitimate striker other than the admittedly brilliant Torres, would become a problem. It was a bit of a problem in our last match to tell the truth.

The point I made was, I think the manager is at fault for leaving us in a situation where we only have one striker.

Leonmc0708 wrote:

bigmick wrote:

Leonmc0708 wrote:

bigmick wrote:My point is though, I do think the manager is at fault for neither being here/there and there being no replacement for the qualities they had.

Torres replaces Crouchs chicken wire neck, score tally and lack of pace.

Torres replaces KEans lack of pace, bad attitude and general club footedness around the penalty area.

He is also better then both at their perceived good points.

THUS

there is a replacement for the qualaties they had.

Well arguably he does replace the chicken wire neck    I'll give you that. Unfortunately though, there are occasionally circumstances where Torres can't replace everyone all the time. If he were to get injured (Torres) then we'd see one of those circumstances. In that scenario, the fact we haven't got another legitimate striker other than the admittedly brilliant Torres, would become a problem. It was a bit of a problem in our last match to tell the truth.

The point I made was, I think the manager is at fault for leaving us in a situation where we only have one striker.

We can discuss wether he is at "fault" at the end of the season.

Right now we will have to go with responsible.

agree with you there. If Rafa wins us the league these threads will be quickly forgotten and people will be hailing the Rafalution again!

Lets all get back to supporting the team and hope January was our bad patch. 

Leonmc0708 wrote:We can discuss wether he is at "fault" at the end of the season.

Right now we will have to go with responsible.

bigmick wrote:

Leonmc0708 wrote:We can discuss wether he is at "fault" at the end of the season.

Right now we will have to go with responsible.

We can, and I'm more than happy to concede the correction from "at fault" to "responsible". I would say though, that even if we win the league and I disappear under a hail of well earned and well aimed kicks in the b0ll0cks, nobody will ever convince me that the risk we have decided to take was a sensible move. This applies regardless of the fact that Torres is a wonderful player.

if we win the league, can i be first to kick you in the knackers 

7_Kewell wrote:

bigmick wrote:

Leonmc0708 wrote:We can discuss wether he is at "fault" at the end of the season.

Right now we will have to go with responsible.

We can, and I'm more than happy to concede the correction from "at fault" to "responsible". I would say though, that even if we win the league and I disappear under a hail of well earned and well aimed kicks in the b0ll0cks, nobody will ever convince me that the risk we have decided to take was a sensible move. This applies regardless of the fact that Torres is a wonderful player.

if we win the league, can i be first to kick you in the knackers 

Mate I have no objections or preferences who is first. I'm gonna get in excess of 100 kicks in the nads whichever way you look at it I think, so it's immaterial who goes first  I think there should be a fight for it, that way everyone can tire themselves out a bit meaning they won't be able to put quite so much into the run up and final deleivery.

bigmick wrote:

7_Kewell wrote:

bigmick wrote:

Leonmc0708 wrote:We can discuss wether he is at "fault" at the end of the season.

Right now we will have to go with responsible.

We can, and I'm more than happy to concede the correction from "at fault" to "responsible". I would say though, that even if we win the league and I disappear under a hail of well earned and well aimed kicks in the b0ll0cks, nobody will ever convince me that the risk we have decided to take was a sensible move. This applies regardless of the fact that Torres is a wonderful player.

if we win the league, can i be first to kick you in the knackers 

Mate I have no objections or preferences who is first. I'm gonna get in excess of 100 kicks in the nads whichever way you look at it I think, so it's immaterial who goes first  I think there should be a fight for it, that way everyone can tire themselves out a bit meaning they won't be able to put quite so much into the run up and final deleivery.

i'll get practising now

GYBS wrote:

bigmick wrote:

GYBS wrote:

bigmick wrote:

GYBS wrote:every derby is a one off game mate - even if you play them 7 times a week

  Feck me GYBS you do talk some nonsense mate sometimes. We agree to differ.

we can agree to differ then mate but will draw on my experience on seeing many many derbies going all the way back to 80s where you play them you get them out of the way hopefor a win the go back to concentrating on the rest of the games . Its a view that is shared by pretty much every liverpool player in any book i have read - just finished carras the other week and says the same thing and thommo as well . you can never ever predict what will happen in a derby no matter how the teams are playing before hand .

I'm not disputing that derbies are game sin whcih formbooks can go out of the window, not that they are unique matches. I am simply saying that your statement that if we played seven games against Everton in a week "they'd all be one offs" is a bit silly, that's all.

They wouldn't all be "one off's". As we've seen very clearly from the last three matches, one game leads into the next and the knowledge you've gleaned from previous match ups comes into play. This was at the heart of my original post, my disappointment in our failure to make any headway against their somewhat unusual formation and set up, even after three attempts.

Its not silly at all mick - moyles set up his team to defend like f eck and then hope to score from a set piece - end of the day it work and fair play to him for that but he wont do that again against any other team . We controlled the first two matches just got let down by slack marking and last night we controlled big periods of the match but lost it when we went to ten men and then the guys where shattered and struggling .

Sir Roger wrote:You can see what moyes set out to do. I can see what moyes set out to do. Why didnt rafa see it?
Why didnt the players see it? The only way Everton were going to score against us was in the way that they did in the first two games: slack marking. Lack of concentration in the league game. Feckin criminal to let it happen again in the cup.
The only way they were going to win the last one was if something happened like it did. Best players injured/tired/someone sent off: no back up.
Its not rocket science!

Kharhaz wrote:

Sir Roger wrote:You can see what moyes set out to do. I can see what moyes set out to do. Why didnt rafa see it?
Why didnt the players see it? The only way Everton were going to score against us was in the way that they did in the first two games: slack marking. Lack of concentration in the league game. Feckin criminal to let it happen again in the cup.
The only way they were going to win the last one was if something happened like it did. Best players injured/tired/someone sent off: no back up.
Its not rocket science!

I have to say, in all fairness to that, what a crock of sh!t !

Your more or less asking rafa for foresight. Who could have imagined it going as wrong as it did? who could have seen Gerrard getting injured so early on? who could see Torres getting so tired so early on in the match and who could have imagined such a poor ref? (actually scrub that one, its the premiership isnt it !)

Your right its not rocket science, its the rub of the green, and we didnt get it.

Kharhaz wrote:

Sir Roger wrote:You can see what moyes set out to do. I can see what moyes set out to do. Why didnt rafa see it?
Why didnt the players see it? The only way Everton were going to score against us was in the way that they did in the first two games: slack marking. Lack of concentration in the league game. Feckin criminal to let it happen again in the cup.
The only way they were going to win the last one was if something happened like it did. Best players injured/tired/someone sent off: no back up.
Its not rocket science!

I have to say, in all fairness to that, what a crock of sh!t !

Your more or less asking rafa for foresight. Who could have imagined it going as wrong as it did? who could have seen Gerrard getting injured so early on? who could see Torres getting so tired so early on in the match and who could have imagined such a poor ref? (actually scrub that one, its the premiership isnt it !)

Your right its not rocket science, its the rub of the green, and we didnt get it.

Leonmc0708 wrote:

Kharhaz wrote:

Sir Roger wrote:You can see what moyes set out to do. I can see what moyes set out to do. Why didnt rafa see it?
Why didnt the players see it? The only way Everton were going to score against us was in the way that they did in the first two games: slack marking. Lack of concentration in the league game. Feckin criminal to let it happen again in the cup.
The only way they were going to win the last one was if something happened like it did. Best players injured/tired/someone sent off: no back up.
Its not rocket science!

I have to say, in all fairness to that, what a crock of sh!t !

Your more or less asking rafa for foresight. Who could have imagined it going as wrong as it did? who could have seen Gerrard getting injured so early on? who could see Torres getting so tired so early on in the match and who could have imagined such a poor ref? (actually scrub that one, its the premiership isnt it !)

Your right its not rocket science, its the rub of the green, and we didnt get it.

Mr Foresight and Mr Hindsight - two of the best match analysists going.

s@int wrote:I suppose its my being an ooter but I would gladly swop this win against Everton for all 3 points against Portsmouth, so I would rest a few players maybe including Gerrard who has had a lot of games recently.

Foresight 

s@int wrote:

s@int wrote:I suppose its my being an ooter but I would gladly swop this win against Everton for all 3 points against Portsmouth, so I would rest a few players maybe including Gerrard who has had a lot of games recently.

Foresight 

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s@int wrote:

s@int wrote:I suppose its my being an ooter but I would gladly swop this win against Everton for all 3 points against Portsmouth, so I would rest a few players maybe including Gerrard who has had a lot of games recently.

Foresight 

Thats not foresight, thats a supporters preference !

Any game against Everton is a must win game. And even rafa knew if he left out a fit Gerrard against the bitters in an FA Cup match, he would never live it down. Lets remember, he is among the people of Liverpool daily !

Not that it matters anyway, hes damned if he does and damned if he doesnt !