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by **Number 9** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:44 pm

s@int wrote:
Judge wrote:
s@int wrote:Do you think now would be a good time to mention the New Years amnesty

no mate, as thats two days away, and we dont want to ask for anything, or post anything too early

I could include a couple of pictures

Ciggy Bam Barry and friends

by **Fo Dne** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 8:24 pm

Judge wrote:
Fo Dne wrote:
GYBS wrote:i do find it amazing that at a time where we are finally challenging for the title and according to our own captain 'the best squad he has seen at the club ' that people can still slag of the manager and the players . Whatever rafas methods are and for whatever reason they are working and thats without the best striker in the world and after stuffing newcastle at their own place , the same newcastle the mancs nor chelsea could not beat . Players are stepping up when required , we are grinding out results when required , yes we are dropping silly points but teams below us are doing worse . We all wanted to challenge and we are doing that so what is the problem ? For years and years liverpool fans backed the players , backed the manager but that seems to have changed over the years . Im lucky enough to know the fagan family very well and in their words their dad and grandad ie joe would think rafa is the perfect man for the job . Do people expect too much ? Do people think too much about rotation etc ? In my eyes yes on both accounts , we should all be loving the occasion at the moment and putting all our efforts into supporting our club players and manager , thats what has made us the great club it is . Believe we can win , dont sit there expecting the manager to mess things up just so he can prove he is the boss . Rafa does want he thinks is best for the club and will continue to do so to the best of his and his players abilities and at the moment that has us sitting at the top of the table with our best chance in years of claiming the title . Youll never walk alone is our motto and it is for a reason . YNWA

Completely missing the point of the thread as usual.

The point is, so what, if some of us don't blindly follow Rafa's stupidity. We're entitled to voice what we would do in the situation or what we think or in some cases know what is best for the club and certain players. This thread has nothing to do with whether you think Rafa's right or wrong.

Alot of the "abuse" I dish out from a personal point is when people start with me OR they come back with pathetic arguements, you know the sort, the childish ones, well why aren't you a manager, well it obviously worked so he was right, well nothing else matters because i want to bum Rafa or quite simply when people go round in circles on points you've already clearly covered and completely fail to grasp the issue.

The other thing that grates me is nerve dropping and a lack of intelligence.

All of which traits you show in more or less every post you make.

I come here to talk football. Some people don't like being told they don't have a clue, the ones that don't will be told. Simple as that.

stu,

bob has just said in his thread opener to ignore the poster etc, and you start with a personal attack on GYBS, which is what bob didnt want. f'ucking hell man.
whenever gybs posts anything, you start going off on one.

by my reckoning you are clueless to what this thread meant stu

No judge, I understand it clearly. It wasn't a personal attack what so ever, the only thing I said was he shown the traits I described on numorous occassions which is a fact.

And why should I ignore a point raised if I feel it worth commenting on? Its a forum for gods sake!

by **taff** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 8:29 pm

But you will personally attack someone if they have a view you think is wrong, sometimes I agree with you but sometimes I do think you go over the top. As you said it is a forum and Rafa lovers and people who think Kuyt is the best striker in the world are entitled to their views even if its obvious that Earnshaw is

by **Fo Dne** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 8:35 pm

taff wrote:But you will personally attack someone if they have a view you think is wrong, sometimes I agree with you but sometimes I do think you go over the top. As you said it is a forum and Rafa lovers and people who think Kuyt is the best striker in the world are entitled to their views even if its obvious that Earnshaw is

Dya know what Taff, theres nothing worse than a smart :censored:

who gets it wrong...

1. I don't think I've ever discussed Earnshaw on this forum ever.

2. If I have I certainly never wanted him for Liverpool as I don't believe him to be a good player.

3. Bigmick has many times pointed out too idiots that it was him who liked Earnshaw and not myself.

4. Lets drag up the Robert Earnshaw thread just to prove it :no

by **bigmick** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 8:35 pm

There's a couple of things I don't get on the forum at the moment, or indeed haven't for a while. Firstly, the notion that because you are prepared to voice concerns over a players form, or a team selection, that in some ways you aren't "enjoying it" that we are having success. If you think we possibly could have picked a different team to the one we picked, you get "we're top of the league just enjoy it FFS!!!! :angry:

". Enjoying the fact we are top of the league and have a serious chance of winning it is not the preserve of a supporter who doesn't voice a criticism on a football forum. Neither does it folow that if you disagree with a team selection, you hope the team will lose so you are "proven right". Why would that be? Why would it be the case that only those who don't voice any negative opinions on team selections or players are the only ones who want the team to win? I don't get that one.

If you think that Kuyt is half decent at right midfield and that moving him from there to play up front weakens the team, you are "Kuyt bashing again, just enjoy it FFS!!!! :angry:

" How is it Kuyt bashing to say you like him at right midfield, and that it weakens the team if you move him from there? I don't get that one either to be honest.

The thing I don't get most though, is how edgy some people are. Over the last couple fo days in particular there have been two ore three posters (and not even the usual ones) who are being unnecessarily confrontational. No need for it in my book, it's a football forum and everyone is entitled to their opinion. For my part, I absolutely love coming on here and debating football. I've got no interest whatsoever in trading insults with some person I've never met who's sat behind a computer screen 12000 miles away. Hopefully fairly soon I'll be back in the UK and no doubt running some boozer darn sarf again. If things go true to form I'll no doubt get more than enough practice in falling out with people face to face, making doing so on a computer less than an attractive proposition.

Disagreements about football though are fine. Bring it on. As I said yesterday a few times, if people think that dropping Keane (if he was fit) was a good decision, then great. If they want to explain it/debate it, even better. If they don't, that's Ok too. Wading in though with insults while not actually offering an opinion of your own just seems a bit pointless to me, and there's been far too much of that lately.

by **neil** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 8:41 pm

I wonder if some people may consider your style condescending, just a friendly thought.

by **andy_g** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 8:47 pm

i think some people have irrational reactions when confronted by intelligence.

by **taff** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 8:48 pm

Fo Dne wrote:
taff wrote:But you will personally attack someone if they have a view you think is wrong, sometimes I agree with you but sometimes I do think you go over the top. As you said it is a forum and Rafa lovers and people who think Kuyt is the best striker in the world are entitled to their views even if its obvious that Earnshaw is

Dya know what Taff, theres nothing worse than a smart who gets it wrong...

1. I don't think I've ever discussed Earnshaw on this forum ever.

2. If I have I certainly never wanted him for Liverpool as I don't believe him to be a good player.

3. Bigmick has many times pointed out too idiots that it was him who liked Earnshaw and not myself.

4. Lets drag up the Robert Earnshaw thread just to prove it

Ah Stu, nothing worse than someone who cant recognise a sarcastic joke.

I supported Earnshaw, in fact it was probably the last time me and Bigmick agreed on something

And you were also right about Simon Davies

In fact as I recall me and you had a decent debate about it and you had your points that were proved to be right now we have hindsight and you werent abusive to me hence why I dont tend to argue with you.

The Earnshaw thing was a subtle joke to say that you have debated decently in the past even if players like Earnshaw have cropped up in conversation so do it again as when you do you are a great forum contributor.

Or if you want to have a war with me I can accomodate that as well

by **bigmick** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:17 pm

neil wrote:I wonder if some people may consider your style condescending, just a friendly thought.

There's no wonder about it Neil, some people obviously do. Condescending though is never the intention, over a period of time an internet "persona" just kind of develops and like being in at a party in amongst a bunch of people you don't know, everyone develops their own defensive ticks.

I know from various threads and imputs that people develop an image of you that is far from reality, but I would guess that's the same for all of us. I think many people have an image of some scholarly type in a green cardigan, dissecting every nuance of each performance in between chapters of War and Peace. It's not true, nearer would be a hairy ersed northerner without a qualification to his name who has mostly made a living running boozers for a living.

The style thing is just the way it is though. If people can't see that posts where I talk of it "hitting Kuyt's knee and going in" are a p!ss take, then it's their bother not mine to be honest. I don't even mind the insults, I just get frustrated with em because it's a waste of football debate time. Living in a rugby dominated prefabed outpost like this makes you hanker after a bit of sensible debate about football. You do get it on here, but not when people are more concerned about having a row.

Condescending though? On here, it maybe seems that way sometimes, although I would point out that as I don't do computer flame wars I've got to have some defence when someone is calling me a c...

by **taff** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:38 pm

bigmick wrote:a living running boozers for a living.

You are right a scholarly gentleman with a penchant for the language is knot wot how I c u

by **bigmick** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:42 pm

taff wrote:
bigmick wrote:a living running boozers for a living.

You are right a scholarly gentleman with a penchant for the language is knot wot how I c u

aw feck off Taff picking out that quote

by **Sabre** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:45 pm

Discuss football.

Studs: Long or short. Rubber or metal. How many. This new studs that are more blades than stud's, are prone to knee injuries?

by **taff** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:59 pm

It does wind me up when players slip a lot in a game as I just think they chose their boots for fashion rather than the conditions.

I might be totally wrong but I still rant at players who slip a lot

by **bigmick** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:05 pm

When I was a young bloke, you could always tell then someone thought they were much better than they actually were when they carried two pairs of boots for sunday league football. A pair of "moldeds" and a pair of "screw ins". If the fella actually went out before getting changed and truied them both for "purchase", you then categorically knew for sure he was a w@nker.

DISCLAIMER- I do know that if you play football at a higher level, such things are important. I'm simply saying that when you play for the Dog and Duck reserves, they aren't.

by **Fo Dne** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 12:07 am

taff wrote:
Fo Dne wrote:
taff wrote:But you will personally attack someone if they have a view you think is wrong, sometimes I agree with you but sometimes I do think you go over the top. As you said it is a forum and Rafa lovers and people who think Kuyt is the best striker in the world are entitled to their views even if its obvious that Earnshaw is

Dya know what Taff, theres nothing worse than a smart who gets it wrong...

1. I don't think I've ever discussed Earnshaw on this forum ever.

2. If I have I certainly never wanted him for Liverpool as I don't believe him to be a good player.

3. Bigmick has many times pointed out too idiots that it was him who liked Earnshaw and not myself.

4. Lets drag up the Robert Earnshaw thread just to prove it

Ah Stu, nothing worse than someone who cant recognise a sarcastic joke.

I supported Earnshaw, in fact it was probably the last time me and Bigmick agreed on something

And you were also right about Simon Davies

In fact as I recall me and you had a decent debate about it and you had your points that were proved to be right now we have hindsight and you werent abusive to me hence why I dont tend to argue with you.

The Earnshaw thing was a subtle joke to say that you have debated decently in the past even if players like Earnshaw have cropped up in conversation so do it again as when you do you are a great forum contributor.

Or if you want to have a war with me I can accomodate that as well

Why what was said about Simon Davies?

I don't remember that one...

What did I say about Earnshaw aswell? I can't ever remember arguing with you if am honest. (not saying I haven't, just that you aren't important enough to remember)

I remember the Danny Gabbidon one though, some jokers thought he was boss... that wasn't you was it?

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