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Postby LegBarnes » Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:07 am

bigmick wrote:I got a venus fly trap last year and it did feck all. I was tempted to take it back. In the end I resorted to spraying flies and then lobbing them into the waiting recepticles. Then it closed round them like it was all big and hard, before keeping them trapped for a couple of weeks. it then opened up again leavinf the fly till there and not exactly decomposed at all. Another thing I noticed was that if you put six flies in all at once, it doesn't do it any better but that it actually kills the plant. It goes all black.

As a biproduct, it completely mysifies the wife as to how the plant could just die suddenly like that. Needless to say i never owned up to the fact it was probs the concentration of fly spray which did it   :laugh:

IF your venus fly trap hasn't got any flies by the age of 19 shoot it in the head bcos there is no hope for it.  :D
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Postby LegBarnes » Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:08 am

Fo Dne wrote:Glenn Johnson would be an excellent signing as a right back aswell.

:)

lol just cos he put in the cross for winner for pompy game ?

So he ain't good enuff for chavski but he ok in your book ?

Not to mention the lad can't defend to save his life.
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Postby Rush Job » Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:25 am

bigmick wrote:I got a venus fly trap last year and it did feck all. I was tempted to take it back. In the end I resorted to spraying flies and then lobbing them into the waiting recepticles. Then it closed round them like it was all big and hard, before keeping them trapped for a couple of weeks. it then opened up again leavinf the fly till there and not exactly decomposed at all. Another thing I noticed was that if you put six flies in all at once, it doesn't do it any better but that it actually kills the plant. It goes all black.

As a biproduct, it completely mysifies the wife as to how the plant could just die suddenly like that. Needless to say i never owned up to the fact it was probs the concentration of fly spray which did it   :laugh:

:laugh: Yer mate, maybe it didnt like flys dowsed in poison.
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Postby Rush Job » Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:27 am

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bigmick wrote:I got a venus fly trap last year and it did feck all. I was tempted to take it back. In the end I resorted to spraying flies and then lobbing them into the waiting recepticles. Then it closed round them like it was all big and hard, before keeping them trapped for a couple of weeks. it then opened up again leavinf the fly till there and not exactly decomposed at all. Another thing I noticed was that if you put six flies in all at once, it doesn't do it any better but that it actually kills the plant. It goes all black.

As a biproduct, it completely mysifies the wife as to how the plant could just die suddenly like that. Needless to say i never owned up to the fact it was probs the concentration of fly spray which did it   :laugh:

:laugh:   
See when ya look in their mouth they have a couple of tiny hairs on each side!
If you poke one hair with something once nothing happens but if you poke it again the mouth closes.Thats incase a rain drop hits a hair(in its natural environment)the likelyhood of a raindrop hitting the same hair twice is very low!
But if a fly goes in it will hit the same hair loads of times!
If you hit all the hairs once nothing happens!
Fascinating or what! :blush:

Back on topic before someone embarrases themselves mate! :D

Must make a visit to B&Q.
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Postby Toffeehater » Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:41 am

Fo Dne wrote:Glenn Johnson would be an excellent signing as a right back aswell.

:)

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Postby Bam » Fri Oct 03, 2008 8:57 am

We're in good form at the moment and it seems Rafa has eased up on the rotation lark. I dont think thats a coincedence not atall, and although we have players in the side like Arbeloa, Kuyt and Aurelio who some say arent good enough to be in a title challenging side, (I myself have said this about the Dutchman) could of called it wrong. I dont neccerserily believe you need to have World Class players in every position to win the title, after all United proved that with Hargreaves, Carrick and the likes of Fletcher.

After looking at our early season form I dont think we need to nit pick our players as much as we do, again I include myself in this. Since Rafa has left this team more or less to function itself, by letting the lads find their own co-hessivness, rythm, trust, understanding and resiliance. Its looked alot more positive, I'm not saying we're going to stroll the league this year but in its present state the team look certainly favourable to make a fist of it.

Posters like S@int and Mick in the past have often said that they felt that Rafa had the players present to sustain a challenge. Personally I couldnt see past the ' we need a couple of players ' syndrome. But looking at it now, I think they've probably called it right myself.

I never thought I'd be content in watching Kuyt play right mid for us week in week out for us, we all know about his shortcomings as a footballer. But his major asset is his work rate, I was discussing this with some lads on another forum and they kind of made me realise that Rafa was influenced by Sachhi and his AC Milan side in the late 80's. Although his team comprised of World class attacking talent like Gullit and Van Basten, the team ethic was built upon incredible work rate pushing and pressing your opponents all over the pitch. It goes without saying they had a very strong defence with the likes of  the imperious Maldini and Franco Baresi. Even though with all the talent on show in their side, their game was a about pressing opponents back into their own half.

Its no secret that Rafa was heavily influenced by Sachhi and his side, and he's trying to bring that ethic into his current side, as he also did with Valencia. With players like Kuyt in the side, this can only highlight the reason he is selected week in week out, our team do press well, players like Keane, Kuyt, Mascha, Gerrard and even Torres all help out defending from front to back.

With the quality AC had back then, and the players we have now, we're obviously a much more pragmatic side than Sachhis Milan were. This is where I can see a couple of glitches in our side, firstly we dont pose anything with attacking abundnce as Sachhi's Milan side did although we do have two World class players in Torres and Gerrard that contribute. That said I still do worry about us being able to break teams down at Anfield, Stoke being the perfect example. This can be sorted two ways IMO, more attention in training to breaking down defences. Maybe overload the defence and train and pattern the attackers to break teams stubborn defences down. Or go out and buy another quality attacking midfielder or two.

That is my only real concern with our lads at the moment, we have the misely defence, we have the industrious work rate but sometimes we just lack that knack to open teams up and kill em off.

Rafa has tried to combine the influence of Sachhi's Milan side with modern day football thus enter rotation. He's pretty much got the first part of that right, but as far as this rotation lark goes I still honestly think its hindered the teams progress a fair bit. If a player like Alonso (who I've critised in the past) is genuinely back on form and is showing it, he's worthy of his place in the side, so as it stands now I wouldnt drop the Spainard out of the side come Sunday just to give Mascha a run out. Alonso's form will need to dip, or even his fitness burn out later on down the track during the campaign. Meanwhile I'd expect Mascha to be showing all the right signs in training to be willing to fight for his place back. Like wise (cough) with Kuyt, technically he's the worst player in the side, but he's bringing work rate and pressing style of play which not only possibly gives players like Torres, Keane and Gerrard room to exploit, but also balance in a team like midfield. Never thought I'd say that ... He is part a successful midfield and we're in form and when I now think of Kuyt (who I know I will still b.loody curse in the heat of the moment during a match) I think of Sachhi's work ethic and his Milan side.

Going back to the flip side of the arguement again, Kuyt isnt the type of player IMO you need in your side when your trying to break 6 CB's down, and 4 fullbacks, thats the snag with him. Like I said earlier, this is my only concern with the team really as a whole really, the ability to break stubborn teams down.

The other concern is the manager and whether sometime this season he'll get itchy feet and feel the urge to rotate the team back to dizzyness again.
One more point that will also be interesting to see sometime this season, is the bouncerbackability of the side after a defeat.
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Postby Leonmc0708 » Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:52 am

Bam wrote:We're in good form at the moment and it seems Rafa has eased up on the rotation lark. I dont think thats a coincedence not atall, and although we have players in the side like Arbeloa, Kuyt and Aurelio who some say arent good enough to be in a title challenging side, (I myself have said this about the Dutchman) could of called it wrong. I dont neccerserily believe you need to have World Class players in every position to win the title, after all United proved that with Hargreaves, Carrick and the likes of Fletcher.

After looking at our early season form I dont think we need to nit pick our players as much as we do, again I include myself in this. Since Rafa has left this team more or less to function itself, by letting the lads find their own co-hessivness, rythm, trust, understanding and resiliance. Its looked alot more positive, I'm not saying we're going to stroll the league this year but in its present state the team look certainly favourable to make a fist of it.

Posters like S@int and Mick in the past have often said that they felt that Rafa had the players present to sustain a challenge. Personally I couldnt see past the ' we need a couple of players ' syndrome. But looking at it now, I think they've probably called it right myself.

I never thought I'd be content in watching Kuyt play right mid for us week in week out for us, we all know about his shortcomings as a footballer. But his major asset is his work rate, I was discussing this with some lads on another forum and they kind of made me realise that Rafa was influenced by Sachhi and his AC Milan side in the late 80's. Although his team comprised of World class attacking talent like Gullit and Van Basten, the team ethic was built upon incredible work rate pushing and pressing your opponents all over the pitch. It goes without saying they had a very strong defence with the likes of  the imperious Maldini and Franco Baresi. Even though with all the talent on show in their side, their game was a about pressing opponents back into their own half.

Its no secret that Rafa was heavily influenced by Sachhi and his side, and he's trying to bring that ethic into his current side, as he also did with Valencia. With players like Kuyt in the side, this can only highlight the reason he is selected week in week out, our team do press well, players like Keane, Kuyt, Mascha, Gerrard and even Torres all help out defending from front to back.

With the quality AC had back then, and the players we have now, we're obviously a much more pragmatic side than Sachhis Milan were. This is where I can see a couple of glitches in our side, firstly we dont pose anything with attacking abundnce as Sachhi's Milan side did although we do have two World class players in Torres and Gerrard that contribute. That said I still do worry about us being able to break teams down at Anfield, Stoke being the perfect example. This can be sorted two ways IMO, more attention in training to breaking down defences. Maybe overload the defence and train and pattern the attackers to break teams stubborn defences down. Or go out and buy another quality attacking midfielder or two.

That is my only real concern with our lads at the moment, we have the misely defence, we have the industrious work rate but sometimes we just lack that knack to open teams up and kill em off.

Rafa has tried to combine the influence of Sachhi's Milan side with modern day football thus enter rotation. He's pretty much got the first part of that right, but as far as this rotation lark goes I still honestly think its hindered the teams progress a fair bit. If a player like Alonso (who I've critised in the past) is genuinely back on form and is showing it, he's worthy of his place in the side, so as it stands now I wouldnt drop the Spainard out of the side come Sunday just to give Mascha a run out. Alonso's form will need to dip, or even his fitness burn out later on down the track during the campaign. Meanwhile I'd expect Mascha to be showing all the right signs in training to be willing to fight for his place back. Like wise (cough) with Kuyt, technically he's the worst player in the side, but he's bringing work rate and pressing style of play which not only possibly gives players like Torres, Keane and Gerrard room to exploit, but also balance in a team like midfield. Never thought I'd say that ... He is part a successful midfield and we're in form and when I now think of Kuyt (who I know I will still b.loody curse in the heat of the moment during a match) I think of Sachhi's work ethic and his Milan side.

Going back to the flip side of the arguement again, Kuyt isnt the type of player IMO you need in your side when your trying to break 6 CB's down, and 4 fullbacks, thats the snag with him. Like I said earlier, this is my only concern with the team really as a whole really, the ability to break stubborn teams down.

The other concern is the manager and whether sometime this season he'll get itchy feet and feel the urge to rotate the team back to dizzyness again.
One more point that will also be interesting to see sometime this season, is the bouncerbackability of the side after a defeat.

I have got a couple of excellent write ups on Sacchi and the influence on Rafa, both from Rafa interviews and Sachhi interviews - I will try and find the links as there well worth a read.

I think the point about needing more guile against lesser teams is correct, as Kuyt is solid and hadworking, but against the bus parkers you defo need some magic. Thats why I think we are a player short right now. Not a regular superstar, but someone who can beat a man or find a pass. Kinda hoping Babel could evolve into this person like.
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Postby GYBS » Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:30 am

very good post bam . Cant argue with that at all . Your last bit about needing someone who can unlock tight defences was one of the main reasons i wanted to see someone like silva or arshavin into the team , someone of the ability to just slide that little ball in for torres to pounce onto or keane or whoever is up there .
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Postby Jimmy the Weasel » Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:46 am

GYBS wrote:very good post bam . Cant argue with that at all . Your last bit about needing someone who can unlock tight defences was one of the main reasons i wanted to see someone like silva or arshavin into the team , someone of the ability to just slide that little ball in for torres to pounce onto or keane or whoever is up there .

The "unlocking tight defences" bit is something I see Keane assisting with - he's quite tricky and clever in his play, and I can see him being the type of player who can provide that.

I noticed it early on, during the Villa game, with chances at a premium when he picked the ball up, ghosted past a defender into the box, drawing another towards him before flicking it inside to Torres, who pulled his shot wide.
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Postby LFC1982 » Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:46 am

Great post Bam, spot on mate and yes a player like Beardsley/Dalglish to unlock the tight defences would definately make us stronger, its just getting the right player in at the right price, hopefully this Pacheco develops into this player for us!
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Postby LFC1982 » Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:48 am

What about re-signing Mellor to play in the hole?  :D
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Postby GYBS » Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:49 am

yeah keane can do it thru the centre but was thinkin of the others cause they can also drag the full backs out wide creating space in behind . Keane showed some great touches , the link up with kuyt for torres second against bs was great and hopefully will see it more
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Postby metalhead » Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:22 am

Toffeehater wrote:
Fo Dne wrote:Glenn Johnson would be an excellent signing as a right back aswell.

:)

:laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:

I think Glen Johnson is better than our current right backs we have. Just watch him, good on tackles, over laps, can pass and positionally is good. Though I don't rate him to be top class, but good enough.

Cheers stu, I forgot about him, though he would cost around 10m or something like that, even more.
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Postby Fo Dne » Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:05 pm

metalhead wrote:
Toffeehater wrote:
Fo Dne wrote:Glenn Johnson would be an excellent signing as a right back aswell.

:)

:laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:

I think Glen Johnson is better than our current right backs we have. Just watch him, good on tackles, over laps, can pass and positionally is good. Though I don't rate him to be top class, but good enough.

Cheers stu, I forgot about him, though he would cost around 10m or something like that, even more.

He'd be a very good alternative if we couldn't get Richards.

He's excellent on the ball, good crosser, can go past a man, knows when to move forward and can throw a tackle in aswell. I think he'd fit in excellently at Liverpool if I'm honest. Gave Evra a roasting for pace aswell when Pompy played them a few weeks ago. Just watching him again last night reminded me about how good a player he is.

Not as strong in the air as I'd like to see in a full back but his other attributes should make up for it. I can't really think of many better with the exception of Bosingwa and Richards and lets face it, he'd be a massive improvement on Arbeloa. May take a few pennys to get Portsmouth to consider selling him though as he's still only around 23/24 (at a guess).
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Postby Fo Dne » Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:06 pm

Toffeehater wrote:
Fo Dne wrote:Glenn Johnson would be an excellent signing as a right back aswell.

:)

:laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:

So you rate Arbeloa over Johnson?

Who else do you think is better then?

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