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Postby NANNY RED » Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:27 pm

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NANNY RED wrote:"We want to use two or three systems during the season," says the Anfield manager.

"At the beginning of last season we were doing well with 4-4-2, so if the players can read the game and understand things, then it’s easier to change the system.

"Now we have more options at full-back, with Degen, Finnan and Arbeloa on one side and Dossena, Aurelio and Insua on the other. We have players with different qualities.

You can’t use too many systems – two or three maximum – and the key is to teach the players how to adapt to each system.

:help  :help Oh dear God no.  :sniffle

:laugh: PMSL Mick youd better get some new paint for that rotation soap box next season, :laugh: Or maybe youd prefer counceling  :laugh:

Cracking up at your post :laugh:
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Postby duk » Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:05 am

banana wrote:
Rush Job wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:
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Kharhaz wrote:
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banana wrote:i have read som of the posts in here and I'm absolutely shocked by the lack of knowledge and wisdom of some people. I suppose they're just "kids" after all so why should I even care?

Quite an insult to the posters from someone who cannot recognise that "i" should be "I" as in a word in its own right and the fact that "som" should have an "e" on the end. I can abide kids, its stupid people I cannot abide.

You don't have to be deemed stupid in making the odd error composing a post mate. It happens.

And your not deemed a "kid" because somebody has views that are priority to them.

The intellectual content of a posters opinion is neither here nor there. I'm stating that, in producing a grammatical mistake or two - that alone does not decide whether or not said poster is infact 'stupid'

Anyway...

I find it more sensible to show the imperfections of a would be WUM rather than to join them in a slanging match, in this case, the arguments raised for one party is that he is dealing with minds of adolescents, A mind he criticizes as to being lesser than his own and trying to gain the other hand, I simply pointed out how similar his mind is to a "kids" mind.

You wouldnt let it lie. :D

So what. If I made a mistake writing "i" where I should have written "I". That is surely really important.

And "kids"; yes I suspect that there are a lot of kids writing in this forum. Thay have probably not so much knowledge as the older posters. I don't think a 13 year old know as much as I do about Liverpool. What is wrong with stating the obvious?

It is crazy to read some of these posts. So little wisdom and so little understanding of the game and the financial aspect of it.

Bored with Benitez you are. But you loved Evans, Souness and Houllier I suppose?

yes ........... because they were our managers, they all tried their best to take this club forward, for that I will always admire them.........

is this wrong?
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Postby maypaxvobiscum » Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:13 pm

s@int wrote:Reading what Rafa has said leads to a number of points of interest

1/ One possibly two new strikers......Hopefully the end of Voronin, plus the possibility that one of them will be an out and out striker with the other being a creative second striker. A return to 4-4-2 as an alternative to the 4-5-1

2/Wide players but not traditional wingers........ I think we will stick with Kuyt and Babel with possibly Barry or Silva, or if they don't arrive Benayoun and possibly a more traditional wide player such as Bently.

3/Rafa has not seen ANY so called light! He will continue to pick his formation depending on the opposition and players available while rotating to his hearts content.

4/Money is very tight but I still think he will bring in at least one top quality player in addition to Barry, hopefully two.

5/ Degen may get much more playing time than some thought, as it seems attacking fullbacks are going to play a major part in our team this season.

Does the fact that Dossena has been given Arbeloa's no2 shirt have any significance do you think?

you're spot on with the voronin and tactics bit there.  :D  oh the wingers bit too.
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Postby MASTER » Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:14 am

I agree with Spion, Rafa should have left after last season.

But the strange thing is that Hicks and Gillette have survived the summer when most LFC fans (inc. myself), would say they bought the club to make money and they are just borrowing more money to tie things over until DIC meet their valuation and then just disappear.

Is this a sign they are here for the long haul after all and trust Rafa to take the club forward.
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Postby stmichael » Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:40 am

MASTER wrote:I agree with Spion

blimey, that's the first time those words have ever been used on this forum. :D
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Postby Ben1988 » Wed Sep 10, 2008 3:52 pm

I hate having to type this question as it bores me but it needs sayin....who would you of had instead that would of done a better job than 7points from 3 games? give the guy a chance weve barely started, in a week, when weve beat scum ull all b eatin ur hats whilst kissing rafa feckin :censored:!
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Postby aCe' » Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:17 pm

Ben1988 wrote:I hate having to type this question as it bores me but it needs sayin....who would you of had instead that would of done a better job than 7points from 3 games? give the guy a chance weve barely started, in a week, when weve beat scum ull all b eatin ur hats whilst kissing rafa feckin :censored:!

hehe...
He's been around long enough for everyone to have an opinion so im sorry but it bores the sht out of me too having to repeat the same old sht yet and again.
7 out of 9 in 3 games says alot less than 3 seasons of underachieving ...
STILL
if we beat ManUtd in a few days then id have to say that this was a good start in terms of resultds and i hope he continues with the good results till the end of the season..
PROBLEM IS... SOME OF US JUST CANT SEE IT HAPPENING !
GET THE FCK OVER THAT !
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Postby GYBS » Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:23 pm

Under achievment conisdering the sqauds we have had compared to the others ?

Top 4 every season , CL win,CL Final,CL Semi Final, FA Cup win -

think considering our squads and money spent compared to others we have achieved about right . maybe peoples expectations are too high ? we arent the dominanent force we were in 80s .
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Postby aCe' » Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:38 pm

GYBS wrote:Under achievment conisdering the sqauds we have had compared to the others ?

Top 4 every season , CL win,CL Final,CL Semi Final, FA Cup win -

think considering our squads and money spent compared to others we have achieved about right . maybe peoples expectations are too high ? we arent the dominanent force we were in 80s .

squads we had ? he picked the players we bought (and sold for all that matters) so if anything he's to blame if some of the player he bought in the last couple of seasons (Kuyt, Pennant, Bellamy, Gonzales, Keane?, Babel?, Dossena?...etc etc) dont seem to be good enough.

In terms of spending lets please noot go there because the guy has spent buckets of money and yet hasnt improved us as much as we all would have expected.

Its not about expectations,if anything i think most of the people here (myself included) have lowered their expectations considerably having come to understand Benitez and how he plays it safe in the league.

4th place every season for 3 seasons isnt quite the achievment , im sorry to say ! and as for champions league and cup runs, thats a different story ... he plays not to lose, and in a cup that can get you pretty far..
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Postby GYBS » Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:42 pm

but we havent had 4th place every season ? in the three season he has been here - 5th in the first then 3rd then 3rd and 4th last year . yes he may have spent bucket loads but he has had to spread that money pretty thinly - he has basically had to totally rebuild a squad from scratch bar gerrard,carra and sami. thats a lot of players that were needed to be bought and he couldnt afford to pay 20 mil for every single one and how many times has he had to settle for his second choice due to lack of funds available ????
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Postby Ben1988 » Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:43 pm

im sorry ace but i agree with gybs, we have done pretty good under achieving getting top for and 2 champions league finals... imagin if u were a rochdale fan.. same league for 30 years. think urself fecking lucky u support such a great club.

"PROBLEM IS... SOME OF US JUST CANT SEE IT HAPPENING !
GET THE FCK OVER THAT ! "

ur just showing urself up here... if u think about it, it'su who needs to get over it. I dont think we are in the same bracket as United and dont think we should expect to win, hence I AM OVER IT.... u on the other hand think we shuld beat them and everyone else and nothing less will do... hence IT IS U WHO NEEDS TO GET OVER IT.

Dont get me wrong. i would love to see us hammer scum, win the league and cup double but at the same time id rather see us sort out the backroom problems, get set for the future... i.e the next couple of years and keep going. With the squad we have we can challenge, i agree, but its been 3 games, who says we are not going to? do u here united fans saying its all gone up :censored: creek because they have played so poor early doors??? no... they are worried, but they are not crying to sack the manger...
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Postby aCe' » Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:13 pm

Ben1988 wrote:im sorry ace but i agree with gybs, we have done pretty good under achieving getting top for and 2 champions league finals... imagin if u were a rochdale fan.. same league for 30 years. think urself fecking lucky u support such a great club.

"PROBLEM IS... SOME OF US JUST CANT SEE IT HAPPENING !
GET THE FCK OVER THAT ! "

ur just showing urself up here... if u think about it, it'su who needs to get over it. I dont think we are in the same bracket as United and dont think we should expect to win, hence I AM OVER IT.... u on the other hand think we shuld beat them and everyone else and nothing less will do... hence IT IS U WHO NEEDS TO GET OVER IT.

Dont get me wrong. i would love to see us hammer scum, win the league and cup double but at the same time id rather see us sort out the backroom problems, get set for the future... i.e the next couple of years and keep going. With the squad we have we can challenge, i agree, but its been 3 games, who says we are not going to? do u here united fans saying its all gone up :censored: creek because they have played so poor early doors??? no... they are worried, but they are not crying to sack the manger...

okay well now im confued

we seem to be saying the same stuff in different ways

for starters im not saying we should be able to win the league because quite clearly i think we'r a mile or two behind in terms of quality. 3 games, 7 out of 9 points, nothing is impossible i agree.. higly unlikely,,, more like it !
About the Manutd game i expect us to put in another sht performance and lose yet again

Also, id like us to keep building for the future and try to challenge for the league sometime soon.. what im saying is that the trend shows that under Benitiez, winning the league seems more of a wish rather than a goal we seem to be aiming for...

so if its beating United and winning the league that u want me to get over, then iv been over that for quite some time now..
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Postby Ben1988 » Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:20 pm

well we are on the same track with the rails crossed and heading for de-railment.

I just think rafa should be given a little more credit a little less stick and much more support. Ther is a lot of bad things at our club atm and if we stick by 1 person it should be rafa. i think we have a chance on saturday... but i would take a draw, and yes that shows we havent gone far enough.... but i think we have gone as far as possible at this moment.

Do you think other managers would have made us real title contender? Many people think we are already remember....
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Postby aCe' » Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:29 pm

Ben1988 wrote:well we are on the same track with the rails crossed and heading for de-railment.

I just think rafa should be given a little more credit a little less stick and much more support. Ther is a lot of bad things at our club atm and if we stick by 1 person it should be rafa. i think we have a chance on saturday... but i would take a draw, and yes that shows we havent gone far enough.... but i think we have gone as far as possible at this moment.

Do you think other managers would have made us real title contender? Many people think we are already remember....

im not saying that other managers would have made us title contenders but im also not saying that they wouldnt have.
I surely dont agree with the part where you say that we have gone as far as possible atm.. if u meant this season and the points we got then maybe but over that past 3 years or so id have to disagree.. transfers being my main concern again -also the easiest to criticise-

Other managers ? im not so sure any other manager would have won us the CL and got us to the final 2 years later but i can say that other managers might have done better in terms of transfers and maybe, just maybe we would have had more quality players in the side today had someone else been manager for the past 3 years. ofcourse my very argument can shamelessly be used against me.  :lookaround

Anyways no point looking back now... lets go out and beat manutd then get shtfaced or go out and lose to them then get shtfaced... all good as long as you get shtfaced i guess !
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Postby Ben1988 » Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:34 pm

to be honest i totally agree. maybe i just look for the best in a situation. I have been puzzles with some of his buys aswell. I just long to be proved wrong by him and i back him to do it as i, personally, think hes a class manager, but he has worried me. 

But you're right.... i just hope we play well and have the chance to win the game... i dont 3wana be outplayed as all hell will break loose on here and in the press itl b sack the board... oh and take the manger and his new signings with him.
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