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s@int wrote:

NANNY RED wrote:

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:You can be legs 11

I'll be the two little ducks

See wheres Bamaga when i want him to see all this flattery goin on 

Don't worry I will be reporting back to him 

Hes got compertition now Saint .

Igor asked me was i Demi moore

John want to go the bingo

There all after me pension now

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Nanny, Benitez has a UEFA and League Cup to go before we can start talking about just one trophy avoiding him.

No you dont get what i mean John maybe im just drabbling on but Shanks always wanted the Euro yes but never got it, Bob although not desperate never won the FA cup , so what im trying to say and its hurting me saying it but will the prem elude Raffa even if hes still here and wins everythink else could be fate yeh know

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:

NANNY RED wrote:

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Nanny, the reason it's paying off for Wenger now, is because he was always breaking them into the 1st team, I don't see Benitez doing this. If Fabrregas was in the Liverpool youth/reserve, would he of been a regular at 17/18? I doubt it. If these lads were going to be given a go, they'd be bedded in much quicker than they have been. Insua, who in my own opinion looks a real talent and is rated highly by many others on here, should of been given a chance this year, rather than expect him to be a world star from the word go next year. After all he can't do any worse than Aurellio.

Point made John but why did Raffa bring these kids in to the club then and he did bring most of the ressies in since hes been here surley not to say bye bye he must have seen something for the future . On the Fabregas bit i think with his talent any manager worth his salt would have had him in the first team and yes including Raffa . The young kid Ayala is looking good and although he is still very young and needs buildin up a bit Pacecho looks a fantastic prospect

Well Nanny, I agree that Benitez must of seen something in these young kids, but if they're that good, and I believe three or four are good enough to be 1st team members now, they should be given a go. Bed them into the side this season, especially since the league has gone for another year. Bed them in now and let them have experince for the start of next year, rather than come August, us having to use the excuse "they're kids with no experince" for three/four months. Bed them in NOW is what I'd rather see.

ConnO'var wrote:

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:

NANNY RED wrote:

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Nanny, the reason it's paying off for Wenger now, is because he was always breaking them into the 1st team, I don't see Benitez doing this. If Fabrregas was in the Liverpool youth/reserve, would he of been a regular at 17/18? I doubt it. If these lads were going to be given a go, they'd be bedded in much quicker than they have been. Insua, who in my own opinion looks a real talent and is rated highly by many others on here, should of been given a chance this year, rather than expect him to be a world star from the word go next year. After all he can't do any worse than Aurellio.

Point made John but why did Raffa bring these kids in to the club then and he did bring most of the ressies in since hes been here surley not to say bye bye he must have seen something for the future . On the Fabregas bit i think with his talent any manager worth his salt would have had him in the first team and yes including Raffa . The young kid Ayala is looking good and although he is still very young and needs buildin up a bit Pacecho looks a fantastic prospect

Well Nanny, I agree that Benitez must of seen something in these young kids, but if they're that good, and I believe three or four are good enough to be 1st team members now, they should be given a go. Bed them into the side this season, especially since the league has gone for another year. Bed them in now and let them have experince for the start of next year, rather than come August, us having to use the excuse "they're kids with no experince" for three/four months. Bed them in NOW is what I'd rather see.

I would probably agree you with you John if we were already in 4th and had enough of a gap over the 5th place team. However, we are not.... and it is IMPERATIVE that we make the champions league next year from a financial standpoint regardless on whose the owner or manager for next year.

Bedding in these youngsters now in the league would be foolhardy IMHO. As the FA cup is the only other cup (besides the Champions League) that we are in contention for at the mo, I don't see how we could bed in the youngster in them competitions either...

Nah.... for me, the opportunity to bed in yougsters this season has long gone.

bigmick wrote:Now it's all gone pear shaped, I can't help feeling that people are sometimes more concerned with eventually been proven correct than they are getting in a manager who has a better chance of moving us forward. For this reason you get the "give him another season" cry, "let him compete in the transfer market", "lets show some faith" "You lot deserve Sam Allardyce" and the like. I think though that it's probably best to believe our own eyes on this one.

I suppose it's easy to say when it appears you picked the right horse, but I couldn't give a feck to be perfectly honest who is right or wrong, I think the club getting a fair return on the talent at it's disposal is more important. Given time, perhaps we can discuss zonal marking again (and believe me if you think I'm boring on rotation, don't even get me started on such things) as well as the merits of individual players. As I've said many times, if rafa was prepared to get more conventional, just to pick a team and lets get something going i'd be on the "give him a couple more years" bandwagon. Lets face it though, we all know that isn't going to happen.

bigmick wrote:

ruskiy playmaker wrote:

bigmick wrote:As a development on Saints extremely fair but inevitably unanswered question, my question is this.

If the new owners gave Rafa unlimited funds in the Summer, Abrhamovic style, do you think he will win the title in one of the next two seasons after this one?

Yes, even I could win the title with that much cash.

Not if you rotated Rafa style you wouldn't unfortunately.

Neither will Rafa either. You could sign Queresma, Villa, Forlan, Henri, Ferdinand, Rooney, Ronaldo and Fabregas. It would make no difference if you change the team/formation/positions as often as Rafa does.

Sooner or later you'll run into a team which is playing with fluency and cohesion and you'll get beat. Alternatively, you'll run into a team full of yard dogs who'll want to kick you off the park. You'll need a togetherness and a fighting spirit which you won't have if you've been Rafa styling it and you'' get beat.

Some people are saying "give him another year and if I'm wrong I'll admit it".  This would be a huge mistake in my opinion, it's time for a change.