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by **account deleted by request** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:13 pm

ruskiy playmaker wrote:
s@int wrote:
ruskiy playmaker wrote:
s@int wrote:I am not anti -rafa , I just don't believe he will win the league title with us. I would like someone to explain to me why I should believe he still can achieve this, and why someone with different abilities and methods wouldn't.

Saint I believe that next year we'll be seriously challenging because Rafa will have his ideal team. Rafa knows that next year will be make or break for him so forget about him signing average players because in the summer he will bring in the necessary quality players that we have been missing. I also believe that next year when they're settled in we're going to see Torres, Masch, Babel, and Lucas truly shine in the league.

Didn't Rafa say before the season started that his squad was strong enough?

Then didn't he repeat that before we played Porto at home?

So if the squad was strong enough why do we now need more players before we can challenge?

You talk about him buying more players in the summer, will he have the money?

Then we will have the excuse that the players need a season to settle, then we will buy more players etc etc

But don't you remember him saying before the winter transfer market that we need more quality players. I'm positive that this summer he will fix this problem and we'll see a clear-out to finance those new quality players. Once we get those quality players in, then problems like negative tactics and over-rotating will be gone.

So we will just be left with formational crazyness, new players that need to bed in , bad luck, injuries,the owners, and lack of money to blame it on then.

by **puroresu** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:26 pm

ruskiy playmaker wrote:
s@int wrote:
ruskiy playmaker wrote:
s@int wrote:I am not anti -rafa , I just don't believe he will win the league title with us. I would like someone to explain to me why I should believe he still can achieve this, and why someone with different abilities and methods wouldn't.

Saint I believe that next year we'll be seriously challenging because Rafa will have his ideal team. Rafa knows that next year will be make or break for him so forget about him signing average players because in the summer he will bring in the necessary quality players that we have been missing. I also believe that next year when they're settled in we're going to see Torres, Masch, Babel, and Lucas truly shine in the league.

Didn't Rafa say before the season started that his squad was strong enough?

Then didn't he repeat that before we played Porto at home?

So if the squad was strong enough why do we now need more players before we can challenge?

You talk about him buying more players in the summer, will he have the money?

Then we will have the excuse that the players need a season to settle, then we will buy more players etc etc

But don't you remember him saying before the winter transfer market that we need more quality players. I'm positive that this summer he will fix this problem and we'll see a clear-out to finance those new quality players. Once we get those quality players in, then problems like negative tactics and over-rotating will be gone.

lol. Rafa won 2 titles in spain and both times his sides play boring defensive football. The negative tactics are here to stay. Rafa aint suddenly gonna change and be more expansive. He never has been and never will be. Similar to Capello. Capello has managed sides with plenty of great players but those sides have still played defensive football. I think with more players at his disposal the rotation will be even more. He will be swapping players all the time, no less than he has done already. I'm sick of excuses about he hasnt had the players or its to hard to compete with chelsea and Utd now. Does Wengers 1st double mean less as he want competing with money rich chelsea back then? Would Arsenal winning the league this season be a bigger achievement than going the season unbeaten and winning the title as back then chelsea were not what they are now. Lets stop with the excuses and just accept that after 4 seasons being 20 points behind the leaders in Feb is failure. Cant the pro rafa gang at least accept that this season our league performance has been not good acceptable and no way near good enough. Instead of thinking way ahead and telling us how Rafa will buy the players we need and stop rotating etc etc why not explain what abilities he has which will make us league winners? Why next year would we suddenly be challengers? Many of u admit that u didnt think we could win the league this season but at the same time fail to admit that u didnt think we would be so far behind either? Arsenal are sitting top of the league and spent less than us. We finished higher than them this season? Is this good enough?

by **NANNY RED** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:27 pm

s@int wrote:
ruskiy playmaker wrote:
s@int wrote:
ruskiy playmaker wrote:
s@int wrote:I am not anti -rafa , I just don't believe he will win the league title with us. I would like someone to explain to me why I should believe he still can achieve this, and why someone with different abilities and methods wouldn't.

Saint I believe that next year we'll be seriously challenging because Rafa will have his ideal team. Rafa knows that next year will be make or break for him so forget about him signing average players because in the summer he will bring in the necessary quality players that we have been missing. I also believe that next year when they're settled in we're going to see Torres, Masch, Babel, and Lucas truly shine in the league.

Didn't Rafa say before the season started that his squad was strong enough?

Then didn't he repeat that before we played Porto at home?

So if the squad was strong enough why do we now need more players before we can challenge?

You talk about him buying more players in the summer, will he have the money?

Then we will have the excuse that the players need a season to settle, then we will buy more players etc etc

But don't you remember him saying before the winter transfer market that we need more quality players. I'm positive that this summer he will fix this problem and we'll see a clear-out to finance those new quality players. Once we get those quality players in, then problems like negative tactics and over-rotating will be gone.

So we will just be left with formational crazyness, new players that need to bed in , bad luck, injuries,the owners, and lack of money to blame it on then.

I agree with him Saint i think with a couple of world class signings in the summer Raffa will put bigmick out of a job in the rotation thread

If whoever are the owners next season and they back him with the players that he identifys that will make a difference i think you will see a different and settled team full of Quality.

If im wrong ill hold me hands up and admit it

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:32 pm

NANNY RED wrote:
s@int wrote:
ruskiy playmaker wrote:
s@int wrote:
ruskiy playmaker wrote:
s@int wrote:I am not anti -rafa , I just don't believe he will win the league title with us. I would like someone to explain to me why I should believe he still can achieve this, and why someone with different abilities and methods wouldn't.

Saint I believe that next year we'll be seriously challenging because Rafa will have his ideal team. Rafa knows that next year will be make or break for him so forget about him signing average players because in the summer he will bring in the necessary quality players that we have been missing. I also believe that next year when they're settled in we're going to see Torres, Masch, Babel, and Lucas truly shine in the league.

Didn't Rafa say before the season started that his squad was strong enough?

Then didn't he repeat that before we played Porto at home?

So if the squad was strong enough why do we now need more players before we can challenge?

You talk about him buying more players in the summer, will he have the money?

Then we will have the excuse that the players need a season to settle, then we will buy more players etc etc

But don't you remember him saying before the winter transfer market that we need more quality players. I'm positive that this summer he will fix this problem and we'll see a clear-out to finance those new quality players. Once we get those quality players in, then problems like negative tactics and over-rotating will be gone.

So we will just be left with formational crazyness, new players that need to bed in , bad luck, injuries,the owners, and lack of money to blame it on then.

I agree with him Saint i think with a couple of world class signings in the summer Raffa will put bigmick out of a job in the rotation thread

If whoever are the owners next season and they back him with the players that he identifys that will make a difference i think you will see a different and settled team full of Quality.

If im wrong ill hold me hands up and admit it

Remember the glorious summer of 2006, we had just won the FA CUP, finished with a great run in the league and got 82 points? Remember everyone saying we were just 2 players short of a title winning team. We just needed a striker and a right winger.

How many players do we need now? 4 or 5 ?

by **puroresu** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:47 pm

s@int wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:
s@int wrote:
ruskiy playmaker wrote:
s@int wrote:
ruskiy playmaker wrote:
s@int wrote:I am not anti -rafa , I just don't believe he will win the league title with us. I would like someone to explain to me why I should believe he still can achieve this, and why someone with different abilities and methods wouldn't.

Saint I believe that next year we'll be seriously challenging because Rafa will have his ideal team. Rafa knows that next year will be make or break for him so forget about him signing average players because in the summer he will bring in the necessary quality players that we have been missing. I also believe that next year when they're settled in we're going to see Torres, Masch, Babel, and Lucas truly shine in the league.

Didn't Rafa say before the season started that his squad was strong enough?

Then didn't he repeat that before we played Porto at home?

So if the squad was strong enough why do we now need more players before we can challenge?

You talk about him buying more players in the summer, will he have the money?

Then we will have the excuse that the players need a season to settle, then we will buy more players etc etc

But don't you remember him saying before the winter transfer market that we need more quality players. I'm positive that this summer he will fix this problem and we'll see a clear-out to finance those new quality players. Once we get those quality players in, then problems like negative tactics and over-rotating will be gone.

So we will just be left with formational crazyness, new players that need to bed in , bad luck, injuries,the owners, and lack of money to blame it on then.

I agree with him Saint i think with a couple of world class signings in the summer Raffa will put bigmick out of a job in the rotation thread

If whoever are the owners next season and they back him with the players that he identifys that will make a difference i think you will see a different and settled team full of Quality.

If im wrong ill hold me hands up and admit it

Remember the glorious summer of 2006, we had just won the FA CUP, finished with a great run in the league and got 82 points? Remember everyone saying we were just 2 players short of a title winning team. We just needed a striker and a right winger.

How many players do we need now? 4 or 5 ?

exactly. I dont think we should give rafa more money to spend and risk another season of failure.

by **maguskwt** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:55 pm

I can't believe the anti rafa peeps have totally disregarded the role the owners played in the team's downfall this season... it is not an excuse it is a FACT. it is a fact that we were still up there within striking distance before all the dirty laundry got washed in public.

saint, when all the :censored:

the owners created started coming out, I remember you commenting that our players seemed not themselves on the pitch and no wonder it must be all those off the pitch issues that's distracting them... amnesia?

our overall team perfomance will greatly improve next season if:

1. we sign masherano
2. the owners won't create the sort of mess they did this season and fully supports rafa

because:

our existing players WILL improve. mascherano, lucas and gerrard in the middle. Torres and babel/benayoun/kuyt up front. Kuyt will come good again... he's not a world class player but he's alot better than what he's showing now. Pennant/Benayoun/Babel/Gerrard/Riise on the wings. At the back agger will be back... so agger and carra as the best defensive pairing in the league and we will have the stability back (with skrtel as back up). at the full backs aurelio will be 100% again. So aurelio, arbeloa, finnan and riise.

it is not a bad team...a team with an outside chance... but unfortunately still not good enough... a top 3 team IMO

we will definitely challenge the title if:

1. we sign a top creative striker (Diego, Van der Vaart, Podolski, etc)
2. we sign a top winger (mancini, milner, etc)

with 2 top signings, we will have a squad as good as any and if rafa fails to challenge for the title then I will not defend him... (unless he wins another CL again

)

by **destro** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:58 pm

I am pretty sure everyones opinions of just how many quality players we need will differ ( Theres a poll topic for someone with more time than me

). Maybe Rafa saying he had a strong enough squad was a failed attempt at reverse psychology to make the average players try and step up, who knows ? What we do know is that he was wrong.

If he had the funds to bring in the Alves, Simaos, Quaresmas,Villas,Etos etc,etc then he would have nothing but himself to blame But I for one will stand by him until he is given serious money to sign Top players and not stop gaps I am not interested in the how much he has spent so far debate it is irrelevant unless he was given it all in one go and wasted it. You get what you pay for in this day and age 15Million- 25 Million gets you top players, players that make a difference with a few exceptions along the way.

by **ruskiy playmaker** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:59 pm

puroresu wrote:
s@int wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:
s@int wrote:
ruskiy playmaker wrote:
s@int wrote:
ruskiy playmaker wrote:
s@int wrote:I am not anti -rafa , I just don't believe he will win the league title with us. I would like someone to explain to me why I should believe he still can achieve this, and why someone with different abilities and methods wouldn't.

Saint I believe that next year we'll be seriously challenging because Rafa will have his ideal team. Rafa knows that next year will be make or break for him so forget about him signing average players because in the summer he will bring in the necessary quality players that we have been missing. I also believe that next year when they're settled in we're going to see Torres, Masch, Babel, and Lucas truly shine in the league.

Didn't Rafa say before the season started that his squad was strong enough?

Then didn't he repeat that before we played Porto at home?

So if the squad was strong enough why do we now need more players before we can challenge?

You talk about him buying more players in the summer, will he have the money?

Then we will have the excuse that the players need a season to settle, then we will buy more players etc etc

But don't you remember him saying before the winter transfer market that we need more quality players. I'm positive that this summer he will fix this problem and we'll see a clear-out to finance those new quality players. Once we get those quality players in, then problems like negative tactics and over-rotating will be gone.

So we will just be left with formational crazyness, new players that need to bed in , bad luck, injuries,the owners, and lack of money to blame it on then.

I agree with him Saint i think with a couple of world class signings in the summer Raffa will put bigmick out of a job in the rotation thread

If whoever are the owners next season and they back him with the players that he identifys that will make a difference i think you will see a different and settled team full of Quality.

If im wrong ill hold me hands up and admit it

Remember the glorious summer of 2006, we had just won the FA CUP, finished with a great run in the league and got 82 points? Remember everyone saying we were just 2 players short of a title winning team. We just needed a striker and a right winger.

How many players do we need now? 4 or 5 ?

exactly. I dont think we should give rafa more money to spend and risk another season of failure.

We don't give him the money, the owners do.

by **zarababe** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:01 pm

NO just give the money to BIG SAM - May he'll buy Anelka for us !

by **bigmick** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:02 pm

As a development on Saints extremely fair but inevitably unanswered question, my question is this.

If the new owners gave Rafa unlimited funds in the Summer, Abrhamovic style, do you think he will win the title in one of the next two seasons after this one?

by **bigmick** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:04 pm

zarababe wrote:NO just give the money to BIG SAM - May he'll buy Anelka for us !

Dear oh dear.

by **ruskiy playmaker** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:04 pm

bigmick wrote:As a development on Saints extremely fair but inevitably unanswered question, my question is this.

If the new owners gave Rafa unlimited funds in the Summer, Abrhamovic style, do you think he will win the title in one of the next two seasons after this one?

Yes, even I could win the title with that much cash.

by **LittleHobo** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:05 pm

summing it all up

rafa has failed to do what he did at valencia

at Valencia he didnt have the best team,he didnt have the money of barca and real madrid BUT his team had the best organisation, winning mentality and tactical nouse to outwit the big teams

for some reason he hasnt brought that to the premiership

by **zarababe** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:07 pm

Yes lets analyse that .......

by **maguskwt** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:08 pm

bigmick wrote:As a development on Saints extremely fair but inevitably unanswered question, my question is this.

If the new owners gave Rafa unlimited funds in the Summer, Abrhamovic style, do you think he will win the title in one of the next two seasons after this one?

most def...

btw I answered saint's question...

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