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by **zarababe** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:26 pm

s@int wrote:As I said instead of the pro Rafa's saying this is why Rafa hasn't won the League and moaning about the anti-Rafa's why don't they explain why Rafa is going to win us the league.

They say he can't win the league because..... He can't compete with the big spending of the mancs and Chelsea ....... Thats not going to change unless DIC come in and do an Abramovich.

They say that Rafa can't compete with Fergie and Wenger because Fergie and Wenger has been in the job much longer than Rafa ........ thats not going to change until they retire.

They say that injuries have cost us our title challenge..........Thats not going to change, we will get injuries every season every team does.

So I ask again what reasons make you believe that Rafa will win the league (not counting blind optimism and faith)

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forget the goatee.. the last 3.5 years wipe it from thy memories.. the armada has sunk and the wreck moves on to pastures new .. MADRID, BARCA.. they can have this 'nobody' be gone senor - good riddance and thanks for nothing !

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by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:28 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
s@int wrote:Maybe now Jamie Redknapp has said that he doesn't think Rafa will ever win the prem, some of the "in Rafa we Trusters" will explain why they still believe he can win us the prem instead of just moaning about the people that no longer believe, or making excuses for why we haven't managed a title challenge in 4 years.

Yes, and Jamie Redknapp knows what it takes from experience to win the title. People in glass houses and all that bollox.

I hope that's sarcasm because Redknapp never won the league title with Liverpool.

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:32 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
s@int wrote:Maybe now Jamie Redknapp has said that he doesn't think Rafa will ever win the prem, some of the "in Rafa we Trusters" will explain why they still believe he can win us the prem instead of just moaning about the people that no longer believe, or making excuses for why we haven't managed a title challenge in 4 years.

Yes, and Jamie Redknapp knows what it takes from experience to win the title. People in glass houses and all that bollox.

I hope that's sarcasm because Redknapp never won the league title with Liverpool.

I think the "People in glass houses and all that bollox" shows it was sarcasm mate.

I think Jamie did win the league once....... the league cup

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:40 pm

I knew it was sarcasm saint, I was taking the p!ss meself, obviously went over your inferior head

Yeah Jamie won the Coca-Cola cup in 95 against Bolton, as well as the Worthington Cup in 01. With two FA Cups (92,01) and a UEFA thrown in as well in 01.

by **parchpea** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:48 pm

Perhaps Redknapp should have said that we are no closer to winning the league than we where when he played, well on occasion, for Liverpool.

As captain I recall his pre season comments on how it was going to be Liverpools year this year (sounds familiar now right) but it fizzled out, then as now, into another year of dissapointment and underachivement.

I guess you could argue that after 18 years without finishing first we should accept that maybe we finish we are supposed too now, but that does not stop the hunger for title success at Anfield.

Benitez is done at Liverpool and like other good managers that tried before him, will walk away having done a pretty good job but unless someone gives us that league we are left feeling empty and failed once more.

And yes, we are no further forward unfortunately

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by **account deleted by request** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:49 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:I knew it was sarcasm saint, I was taking the p!ss meself, obviously went over your inferior head

Yeah Jamie won the Coca-Cola cup in 95 against Bolton, as well as the Worthington Cup in 01. With two FA Cups (92,01) and a UEFA thrown in as well in 01.

He hardly "won " those cups. Going up to pick them up isn't quite the same

He didn't play in the '92 final either mate.

He played in 95 though.

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:52 pm

He was still got the medals, therefore he won them in my eyes.

And I think he had the best idea, pretend to be injured all year then pick up the trophies. Harry Kewell has the same idea

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:54 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:He was still got the medals, therefore he won them in my eyes.

And I think he had the best idea, pretend to be injured all year then pick up the trophies. Harry Kewell has the same idea

At least Harry gets changed so he looks ok on the photo's

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:57 pm

Combed hair and all that eh saint

by **ruskiy playmaker** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:43 pm

s@int wrote:As I said instead of the pro Rafa's saying this is why Rafa hasn't won the League and moaning about the anti-Rafa's why don't they explain why Rafa is going to win us the league.

They say he can't win the league because..... He can't compete with the big spending of the mancs and Chelsea ....... Thats not going to change unless DIC come in and do an Abramovich.

They say that Rafa can't compete with Fergie and Wenger because Fergie and Wenger has been in the job much longer than Rafa ........ thats not going to change until they retire.

They say that injuries have cost us our title challenge..........Thats not going to change, we will get injuries every season every team does.

So I ask again what reasons make you believe that Rafa will win the league (not counting blind optimism and faith)

No one can tell you exactly how Rafa will win the league Saint, but many of us pro-Rafa people feel that he's the best chance we have at the title and we see improvements in the league every year. If a new manager comes in it would take him a miracle to win the title because he has to compete with guys like Fergie and Wenger and the superior spending power of Chelsea and Man U. All I'm saying is that bringing in a new manager will probably not bring us any closer to the title because there are 3 other top teams who are constantly improving.

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:49 pm

You see improvements every year. Where's the improvement from Houllier coming 4th, to Benitez coming 5th the following year as well as ending 37 points behind? Where's the improvement of coming 9 points behind to 21? Where's the improvement on last year?

We haven't improved, we're going backwards.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:58 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:You see improvements every year. Where's the improvement from Houllier coming 4th, to Benitez coming 5th the following year as well as ending 37 points behind? Where's the improvement of coming 9 points behind to 21? Where's the improvement on last year?

We haven't improved, we're going backwards.

The fair comparison would be to use both managers' first seasons - not one's first, and the other's last.

Ergo:

Houllier's first season - 7th.

Benitez's first season - 5th and a Champions' League.

Further to this, Chelsea's financial dominance wasn't apparent whilst Houllier was in charge, which means he was able to get 2nd with relative ease, and a points total of 80, less than the total Rafa had to get to finish 3rd.

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 7:05 pm

Lando I think you'll find Houllier's first FULL season was 98/99 not the 97/98 which was the season we finished 7th. It was after the time Evans/Houllier had shared the management.

Secondly, Ambrovich arrived at Chelsea at the start of the 03/04 season, when Houllier WAS our manager so it obviously was there while he was in charge. And if you cast your memory back far enough, you'll no doubt remember that the first game Ambrovich was owner of Chelsea was against Liverpool. Remember now? I'll make it even clearer for you, Veron (remember him ex Man United) scored the winner for Chelsea. OK?

by **ruskiy playmaker** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 7:09 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:You see improvements every year. Where's the improvement from Houllier coming 4th, to Benitez coming 5th the following year as well as ending 37 points behind? Where's the improvement of coming 9 points behind to 21? Where's the improvement on last year?

We haven't improved, we're going backwards.

Well the major improvement this year was is our impressive away form, if our home form was the same we'd still be up there challenging. I don't know what happened to our home form but next year if we improve it we'll be challenging for the title.

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 7:12 pm

Well it's not an improvement, because we've had to sacrifice our home form to accomadate our away form. It's no improvement, because it's still 1 bad form to 1 good form.

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