My indictment of the rafa benitez regime

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Postby account deleted by request » Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:10 pm

s@int wrote:INMA LIDÓN

Rafael Benitez has a dream: making Liverpool the Premier League champions, or in other words, shortening the gap created by the big spending clubs. This season that feat seems complicated, but on Sunday against Chelsea he has the opportunity to win in a battle.

How big a setback is Fernando Torres’s injury for Sunday’s match?

- It’s a big blow for us because we were counting on him playing, of course. For me it’s a confirmation that these international friendlies at this stage, when the players have played so many games, don’t make a lot of sense.

Is it safe to say that the Premier is the ideal competition for Torres?

- I think so. Fernando has adapted very well and he has demonstrated that he has great quality and the conditions to succeed.

Do you think he was in need of shaking off the pressure he had in La Liga and especially at Atletico?

- He’s arrived at a moment where he’s matured and has more experience. The change has been good for him, good for us and, as far as I can tell, it’s also been positive for Atletico.

You have described your match tomorrow against Chelsea as ‘vital’ one

- It’s very important for us to get back on track, recover our confidence and to fight, for the time being, for fourth place.

Have Liverpool given up on winning the Premier?

- It’s not a matter of giving up, we need to be realistic. There are two teams at the top that are not making any mistakes and we haven’t been getting the same results as earlier in the season. We’re still lacking a bit in terms of winning matches consistently which would give us the confidence and the possibility of fighting for something more than a Champions League spot.

Do you think people are asking too much of your team when you compare the economical power of your main rivals?

- There is a great difference on the economical level that goes back years. That is what we’re trying to close-in on and, sometimes, in order to achieve this you have to take some risks when you sign players and when you take decisions on the pitch, and you don’t always get it right. To be on the same level as Arsenal, United or Chelsea we have to do everything almost to perfection.

Behind all those teams there are big investors, and the arrival of the Americans at Liverpool has not necessarily meant the injection of cash that people expected.

- The problem is not the spending of this year, but for the last four or five years. The rival squads that were already built by spending a lot of money have kept on strengthening each of those years.

A few months back, Liverpool’s owners did not have all their trust on your work, when the team was six points from the leaders and with a match on hand. Do you think all that controversy has negatively affected your team’s progress since then?

- As a manager I could say yes. I would have the perfect excuse, but I don’t want to use it as an excuse. What is clear is that at that time we were in a good position and that we were close to winning many of those matches that we ended up drawing, and that is why we are in this position now.

But the supporters have had to march on the streets to show their support for Rafa Benitez. Do you think you will remain at the club for the two years left on your contract?

- I have a lot of confidence on our young team that is growing, with a much better squad than when we arrived. I think that the future is promising but we must think about the present.

Despite this, one of the owners spoke to Klinsmann. Do you see it as disrespect?

- At the end you just try to stay away from these things and focus on your job and not pay attention to these kinds of things because you can’t control them.

In this area,you no longer work with Paco Ayestarán, who negotiated with Athletic, Barça and finally Real Sociedad to leave your side. Are you disappointed in the way he left?

- I am very disappointed. When you put your blind faith on somebody and they disappoint you as a person, the professional aspect loses all value, it’s secondary. Sometimes the desire for power changes people. I would like to keep all the good memories but the whole situation was a surprise.

Luis Aragones is also looking over his shoulder for a replacement…

- It’s difficult to keep calm when possible names start to surface. Luis has experience, he will keep going and the team will respond for him.

You’re still fondly remembered in Valencia. Would you be willing to come back?

- I have a lot of good memories from my time in Valencia but I am happy here and I want to win more titles at Liverpool.

Do you follow closely everything that’s going on at Valencia?

- Of course. I think that the latest results in the Liga and the Cup will help them to recover their lost confidence.

What’s your opinion on the situation with Cañizares, Albelda and Angulo?

- Because of my utmost respect for the Club and for them, I feel I must not comment on the issue.

Full interview ripped from TLW

I posted the interview a couple of days ago John

As a manager I could say yes. I would have the perfect excuse, but I don’t want to use it as an excuse. What is clear is that at that time we were in a good position and that we were close to winning many of those matches that we ended up drawing, and that is why we are in this position now.



Thats the part that was twisted
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Postby god_bless_john_houlding » Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:13 pm

Cheers saint, must of missed it elsewhere.
1) You'll Never Walk Alone
2) pass and move is the Liverpool groove
3) FIRST WILL ALWAYS BE FIRST AND SECOND WILL ALWAYS BE NOTHING.
4) If Torres has scored 60 league goals for Liverpool by the start of the 2011/12 season, I'll say he's better than Owen.
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Postby god_bless_john_houlding » Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:20 pm

s@int wrote:In this area,you no longer work with Paco Ayestarán, who negotiated with Athletic, Barça and finally Real Sociedad to leave your side. Are you disappointed in the way he left?

- I am very disappointed. When you put your blind faith on somebody and they disappoint you as a person, the professional aspect loses all value, it’s secondary. Sometimes the desire for power changes people. I would like to keep all the good memories but the whole situation was a surprise.

Does anyone other than Benitez know what Pako is meant to of said/done?
1) You'll Never Walk Alone
2) pass and move is the Liverpool groove
3) FIRST WILL ALWAYS BE FIRST AND SECOND WILL ALWAYS BE NOTHING.
4) If Torres has scored 60 league goals for Liverpool by the start of the 2011/12 season, I'll say he's better than Owen.
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Postby heimdall » Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:24 am

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:
s@int wrote:In this area,you no longer work with Paco Ayestarán, who negotiated with Athletic, Barça and finally Real Sociedad to leave your side. Are you disappointed in the way he left?

- I am very disappointed. When you put your blind faith on somebody and they disappoint you as a person, the professional aspect loses all value, it’s secondary. Sometimes the desire for power changes people. I would like to keep all the good memories but the whole situation was a surprise.

Does anyone other than Benitez know what Pako is meant to of said/done?

yeah I'm really curious about this as well, what really happened between those two.
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Postby The Manhattan Project » Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:57 am

It must have something big.

Usually Rafa is unbreakable in terms of giving away information.

For him to say he was disappointed with Pako as a person is amazing.
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Postby god_bless_john_houlding » Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:11 am

Maybe Pako said he didn't like the goatee :D
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Postby The Manhattan Project » Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:20 am

I don't like the goatee either. He should shave it off.

It's just not thick enough to be worth having.

Facial hair needs to be really thick and sinister like General Zod to be cool.
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Postby Billy_5_Times » Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:23 am

I don't think Rafa is here to be cool, he's here to manage a football team.
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Postby The_Rock » Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:43 am

NANNY RED wrote:
The_Rock wrote:Anybody has the email address of this M0R0N BEASLEY :angry: ...... thinking of sending him some "wooden horse"......

I am not a fan of rafa....but this M0R0N has something against rafa.... Twisting a spanish interview to come up with this ? What is his motive ? Create another war between rafa and the owners ?

Rafa should sue his a$$ ............

Says the man who as soon as he heard about the story jumped once again on Raffa back :D You where very quick to believe it then Rock . Were as alot of people new he would never have given that interview to that gobsh.ite.

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Postby account deleted by request » Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:43 am

Maybe now Jamie Redknapp has said that he doesn't think Rafa will ever win the prem, some of the "in Rafa we Trusters" will explain why they still believe he can win us the prem instead of just moaning about the people that no longer believe, or making excuses for why we haven't managed a title challenge in 4 years.
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Postby Big Niall » Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:12 pm

I think Benitez has lost confidence in himself too. Playing Pennant on the left (not Kewell) and Kuyt on the right(not pennant) smells of panic to me. I think he is just hoping that he hits on a successful combination.

I really think he has to go in the Summer regardless of whether we pip Everton, Villa, City for 4th place 20 points or so off the top (is that LFC standard now?) or cup comptetitions.

Thanks for Istanbul but time is up (4 years, huge spending, little progress)
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Postby LFC2007 » Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:42 pm

s@int wrote:Maybe now Jamie Redknapp has said that he doesn't think Rafa will ever win the prem, some of the "in Rafa we Trusters" will explain why they still believe he can win us the prem instead of just moaning about the people that no longer believe, or making excuses for why we haven't managed a title challenge in 4 years.

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Postby account deleted by request » Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:51 pm

As I said instead of the pro Rafa's saying this is why Rafa hasn't won the League and moaning about the anti-Rafa's why don't they explain why Rafa is going to win us the league.

They say he can't win the league because..... He can't compete with the big spending of the mancs and Chelsea ....... Thats not going to change unless DIC come in and do an Abramovich.

They say that Rafa can't compete with Fergie and Wenger because Fergie and Wenger has been in the job much longer than Rafa ........ thats not going to change until they retire.

They say that injuries have cost us our title challenge..........Thats not going to change, we will get injuries every season every team does.

So I ask again what reasons make you believe that Rafa will win the league (not counting blind optimism and faith)
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Postby bunglemark2 » Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:13 pm

TBH...I can't see how or where we have progressed or improved since Istanbul. That night was a very special night, but on balance, and factoring in the league performance that year....and doing a like-for-like this year (some horrendous results in the Champions League; inability to put opposing sides to the sword at home or away; a complete lack of innovation and spark on the wings; inability to get a free-kick up/over/under the wall to even test the other keeper - just look at free kicks in recent games....), it's as plain as the rather large nose on my face that we have not improved individually or collectively since that night....
You would expect a manager coming in new to a club to have some ideas and strategies, to take a little time to get those ideas across, and then to see those come to fruition after a couple of years. Well, they haven't....and before anyone says it, you will always having attrition in terms of footballers on the books - some leave for a whole host of reasons; some just aren't good enough....but on balance, the nucleus of the team will remain and they will get better and better...
The fact is, we haven't. Aresanl, Manure and Chelse haven't necessarily pulled away from us - we have instead regressed. Bar one or two exceptions, I can't really name more than 5 players from the teams around us right now that I'd like to have in Anfield. The reason they're up there with us is manifold : Aston Villa play for each other as a unit, and give it their all (I would expect nothing less from a Martin O'Neill inspired team); Man City have some youngsters - and even golden oldies like Didi - with a point to prove and a hunger for success; Everton, under David Moyes - see Aston Villa....
Sadly this is all lacking from Liverpool. I don't know how it can be changed, but you would think the players have to WANT to change as well....
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Postby Emerald Red » Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:13 pm

s@int wrote:Maybe now Jamie Redknapp has said that he doesn't think Rafa will ever win the prem, some of the "in Rafa we Trusters" will explain why they still believe he can win us the prem instead of just moaning about the people that no longer believe, or making excuses for why we haven't managed a title challenge in 4 years.

Yes, and Jamie Redknapp knows what it takes from experience to win the title. People in glass houses and all that bollox.
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