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by **TwelthMan** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 4:17 am

The problem with the team is a huge mental block that they seem to have collectively. A kind of malaise. The team and squad IMO is high quality and more than favourably compares with e.g. Arsenal but they lack complete and utter belief and understanding of why the hell they are on the pitch !! When they get some confidence e.g. after they somehonw manage to score a goal, they become confident and have fire in their belly. If they can play like that for something approaching 90 minutes then they would be challenging for the title. The question is what is this all down to? We can only speculate but I reckon the players just don't quite get Raffa! He perplexes everyone including the team, fans and media. He complicates what is a simple game. He doesn't seem to be a good man manager or motivator so for these reasons I think we need to find someone else. Great man but average manager.

by **holylamb2006** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 4:28 am

He doesn't seem to be a good man manager or motivator so for these reasons I think we need to find someone else. Great man

That doesnt make sense you just said ''he doesnt seem to be a good man'' then after that u said ''great man''

by **TwelthMan** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 4:36 am

You been on the ouzo lamby?

read it again

by **Elchris** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 9:22 am

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:5 million for him at the time looked like a bargain, shame he hasn't been able to rekindle that form.

Harry Kewell was cursed leaving leeds for only 5mp at the time leeds reallly needed the money , he's been having a nightmare ever since. If i'm not mistaken only half of 5 when to leeds the other went into the pocket of the agent.

by **redtrader74** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 9:28 am

Lack of a top quality second striker, it would take a man off Torres, and open play up for the midfield to join in. The threat would also keep the opposition on the back foot. Get rid of Voronin, Kuyt, keep Crouch only if he willing to be third choice and get a partner worthy of Torres.

The squads good enough to beat most sides, but when they stick ten men behind the ball, ala Manu, Birmingham etc, then that something special is missing at the top, especially if its not Torres' day.

by **Owzat** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 11:17 am

holylamb2006 wrote:
probably why we've drawn so many games this season.

Just looking at the statistics there and i was surprised to see it !!!

Drawn 10 thats embarrassing !!!

I think we've lost less/equal then the top 3 so thats not bad, but 10 draws is bad the ony other thing team is fulham has the same record!!

Drawn 10 in the league, 12 overall which is as many draws as in any season under Rafa and unless we win or lose the rest then it will be the most.

Liverpool 2007/8

P38 W20 D12 L6 F80 A30

Scored 4+ goals = 10 (26.32%)
Lost or drawn = 18 (47.37%)
Clean Sheets = 16 (42.11%)

Scored 4+ goals = 48 in 10 games (ave 4.8 goals/game)
Scored 3 or less = 32 in 28 games (ave 1.1 goals/game)

We've scored 60% of our goals in 26% of our matches

Scored 4+ goals = P10 W10 D0 L0 F48 A6
Scored 3 or less = P28 W10 D12 L6 F32 A24

Six of our clean sheets have come when we've scored 4+ goals, a further four have come in 0-0 draws.

Goalscoring

Torres = 18 goals
Gerrard = 16 goals
Crouch, Kuyt & Voronin = 19 goals

Kuyt and Crouch may well scrape 10 goals each given the number of games we've got left, I think Torres has shown that a 20+ goal a season striker is crucial. How many of the top three clubs have a Peter Crouch type striker? Anelka, Shevchenko, Drogba, Adebayor, Rooney, Tevez, Saha, Pizarro?

by **Thewaykokid** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 11:22 am

.....................does anyone ever feel sorry for Crouch? He is so deserving of more playing time and he should have got it earlier.

by **Toffeehater** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 1:49 pm

holylamb2006 wrote:Ye we simply dont have a good enough team up front to break teams down . Hence if we score 1 goal the other team have to come at us to try and get back into the game , leaving space behind the back ,luckly we have the pace to do something .

And we seem to just come alive if we score a goal the players actually want to have to ball and do something consructive with it.Equally if we concede the ball the other team get a bit cocky and try to attack more the secure the lead but infact they are leaving more spaceat the back , then we use our pace to counter attack and score a goal .

My main point is that we dont have the players to break teams down no matter wat team it is , if they put 10 men behind the ball we simply cannot get through that wall.Bit obvious to point out but its our main problem !!!!

good point , i've said it time and time again , the problem this season is that even though we have a strong squad , we still struggle to take our chances , etc , manchester city , manure , chelsea are just the few games this season

by **Toffeehater** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 1:51 pm

LFC2007 wrote:It's the draws that have done us, no question, particularly those at home.

Had we beaten the likes of Birmingham, Spurs, Wigan, Villa, and Boro we'd be up there.

15 points , we're be 5 points behind the leaders , how nice would that be , with a game in hand

by **Toffeehater** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 1:54 pm

Thewaykokid wrote:.....................does anyone ever feel sorry for Crouch? He is so deserving of more playing time and he should have got it earlier.

he's still not a top striker but i guess the best we have , missing so many against a pub team and also scoring a offside goal then , but credit to him , his goal got us going yesteday

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 5:26 pm

Toffeehater wrote:
Thewaykokid wrote:.....................does anyone ever feel sorry for Crouch? He is so deserving of more playing time and he should have got it earlier.

he's still not a top striker but i guess the best we have , missing so many against a pub team and also scoring a offside goal then , but credit to him , his goal got us going yesteday

The fact that Crouch misses so many chances, is the reason I WON'T slag him off, he along with Torres, is the only player who's in the positions to miss. As soon as a forward stops having chances, that's when they lose confidence, just look at Kuyt. He hasn't had a chance for about 5 games now. At least Crouch is there to miss and if you're there enough, law of averages says you'll score.

by **Toffeehater** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 6:42 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:
Toffeehater wrote:
Thewaykokid wrote:.....................does anyone ever feel sorry for Crouch? He is so deserving of more playing time and he should have got it earlier.

he's still not a top striker but i guess the best we have , missing so many against a pub team and also scoring a offside goal then , but credit to him , his goal got us going yesteday

The fact that Crouch misses so many chances, is the reason I WON'T slag him off, he along with Torres, is the only player who's in the positions to miss. As soon as a forward stops having chances, that's when they lose confidence, just look at Kuyt. He hasn't had a chance for about 5 games now. At least Crouch is there to miss and if you're there enough, law of averages says you'll score.

boll0x . when kuyt was missing chances , like how crouch is doing now , people were slaughtering him , papers were crucifing him . I think what u've just posted is bias

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 6:55 pm

Toffeehater wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:
Toffeehater wrote:
Thewaykokid wrote:.....................does anyone ever feel sorry for Crouch? He is so deserving of more playing time and he should have got it earlier.

he's still not a top striker but i guess the best we have , missing so many against a pub team and also scoring a offside goal then , but credit to him , his goal got us going yesteday

The fact that Crouch misses so many chances, is the reason I WON'T slag him off, he along with Torres, is the only player who's in the positions to miss. As soon as a forward stops having chances, that's when they lose confidence, just look at Kuyt. He hasn't had a chance for about 5 games now. At least Crouch is there to miss and if you're there enough, law of averages says you'll score.

boll0x . when kuyt was missing chances , like how crouch is doing now , people were slaughtering him , papers were crucifing him . I think what u've just posted is bias

Think what you like pal, because when Kuyt was missing chances, I applauded him for being there to miss them just like I do for Crouch. Now he isn't even getting in them chances to miss. As for people and papers, well that's a generalisation, I've never been a fan of Kuyt but if he was at least in the chance to miss, credit to him, but he isn't. And in the end there's only so many chances people can miss before it gets to many.

by **Toffeehater** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 7:19 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:
Toffeehater wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:
Toffeehater wrote:
Thewaykokid wrote:.....................does anyone ever feel sorry for Crouch? He is so deserving of more playing time and he should have got it earlier.

he's still not a top striker but i guess the best we have , missing so many against a pub team and also scoring a offside goal then , but credit to him , his goal got us going yesteday

The fact that Crouch misses so many chances, is the reason I WON'T slag him off, he along with Torres, is the only player who's in the positions to miss. As soon as a forward stops having chances, that's when they lose confidence, just look at Kuyt. He hasn't had a chance for about 5 games now. At least Crouch is there to miss and if you're there enough, law of averages says you'll score.

boll0x . when kuyt was missing chances , like how crouch is doing now , people were slaughtering him , papers were crucifing him . I think what u've just posted is bias

Think what you like pal, because when Kuyt was missing chances, I applauded him for being there to miss them just like I do for Crouch. Now he isn't even getting in them chances to miss. As for people and papers, well that's a generalisation, I've never been a fan of Kuyt but if he was at least in the chance to miss, credit to him, but he isn't. And in the end there's only so many chances people can miss before it gets to many.

so Kuyt missing chances led to low confidence right which now equals to no chances at all? Won't the same happen to crouch??
Using ur Philosophy

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 8:55 pm

Toffeehater wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:
Toffeehater wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:
Toffeehater wrote:
Thewaykokid wrote:.....................does anyone ever feel sorry for Crouch? He is so deserving of more playing time and he should have got it earlier.

he's still not a top striker but i guess the best we have , missing so many against a pub team and also scoring a offside goal then , but credit to him , his goal got us going yesteday

The fact that Crouch misses so many chances, is the reason I WON'T slag him off, he along with Torres, is the only player who's in the positions to miss. As soon as a forward stops having chances, that's when they lose confidence, just look at Kuyt. He hasn't had a chance for about 5 games now. At least Crouch is there to miss and if you're there enough, law of averages says you'll score.

boll0x . when kuyt was missing chances , like how crouch is doing now , people were slaughtering him , papers were crucifing him . I think what u've just posted is bias

Think what you like pal, because when Kuyt was missing chances, I applauded him for being there to miss them just like I do for Crouch. Now he isn't even getting in them chances to miss. As for people and papers, well that's a generalisation, I've never been a fan of Kuyt but if he was at least in the chance to miss, credit to him, but he isn't. And in the end there's only so many chances people can miss before it gets to many.

so Kuyt missing chances led to low confidence right which now equals to no chances at all? Won't the same happen to crouch??
Using ur Philosophy

The only thing that'll dent Crouch's confidence is being dropped when he's scoring. Kuyt's confidence has dropped because he's played out of position refusing him the chance to miss or take goal-scoring opportunities.

Both of these reasons for both players comes down to one man. Rafael Benitez. Solution, sack him.

Then sell Kuyt

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