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by **Number 9** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:57 am

lakes10 wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:
bigmick wrote:This is the most perfect example in along time of how to completely ruin a thread. People quoting whole passages of text and following that with one and two word answers, as well as asking questions about how to quote etc which are entirely irrelavent to the subject matter, and then debating that for two pages. When I clicked ona nd saw the debate had extended to six pages I was thinking it had got interesting, but alas no.

Good point. So lets get back on track. I think rafas biggest downfall is his stubbornness. His determination to prove that his way, be it out of form players, rotation, in form players left on the bench have been his biggest downfall. I support they guy but theres no denying recent performances have been less than convincing. Is that down to rafa or the players? Id say both, either way one thing is clear I dont think this is a blip, if it is isnt it our second one this season or is it continuing for a long time? If rafa starts playing our more in form players (which at the moment is difficult to pick) then maybe it will simply be down to the players not showing the right attitude. Up front is a good start, Babel or Crouch to partner Torres, then the best midfield, defence and Reina !

see my problem is say Rafa is still hear in the summer, he starts ok again but then falls short by november and we get rid of him.

that would be another year gone.

If they are going to get rid of him in the summer what ever, then lets do it now, find a manager that can start to work with the team now.

Can i have a free one after reading that?

by **dawson99** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:59 am

im not having a go at recouping our money. it just doesnt help the stability of the team with the influx of new players.

Its all well and good to say wait until the summer so rafa can get the players he wants. but what happens when they dont fit in right away and we offload them again in january?

by **bigmick** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:00 am

Kharhaz wrote:either way one thing is clear I dont think this is a blip, if it is isnt it our second one this season or is it continuing for a long time?

It's an interesting one this bliiiiiiiiiiiiiiip that we're currently in. It seems to me our season can be split into segments.

We had the drawfest at the start of the season, the "restings" and :;):

"wait 'till the end of the season" as we hung onto the coat tails of the leaders (who also had dodgy spells themselves which helped). This was around the time which the "delayed gazelle" theory was in prominence. The idea that if you sat your best players on their erse for a bit in September, the mileometer not ticking round could be used to great effect in March when you were challenging on all fronts. Unfortunately, we learned fairly quickly that without Torres and Gerrard we weren't actually good enough to beat too many teams, and then to compound it all Torres blew the delayed gazelle theory out of the water by getting injured. Fortunately however, we had a couple of other players injured and we could point to their absense as we gradually slipped further behind the leaders.

Then we had a bit of a blip in phase two which turned into a bliiiip as we lost in the Champions League a couple of times. and eventually lost in the league as well. Fortunately though, there was light at the end of the tunnel in the form of phase three as injuries coincided with relatively settled selections (we even saw the same team being picked a few times and the emergence of a first eleven), and we got it going in the Champions League. Suddenly all was good with the World again. The rotationists were having a party as we began to switch the team from game to game and it didn't seem to matter, we looked a really good side.

Then came our exit from the title race after a defeat at Home to Man Utd. "We wuz robbed" was the cry as we looked at the posession stats, but out of it we were. Unfortunately, that was the start of phase four and our current bliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip. Unfortunately for the injury theory, we are only really missing one genuine first teamer now (even Alonso's back) but still it stubbornly refuses to go away.

Could it be that our good form was actually the blip, and this is the way it is? When does a bliiiiiiiiiip become no longer so as it's the norm?

Here's a plan as we've tried everything else. Lets pick a team then stick with it for half a dozen matches. I know it's a bit out there, but you never know it might work. We could always try it and then re-assess after six matches. If it all fails and we start looking like a not very good team, we can revert back to the methods which are currently sweeping all before them.

by **Rush Job** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:13 am

dawson99 wrote:
bigmick wrote:This is the most perfect example in along time of how to completely ruin a thread. People quoting whole passages of text and following that with one and two word answers, as well as asking questions about how to quote etc which are entirely irrelavent to the subject matter, and then debating that for two pages. When I clicked ona nd saw the debate had extended to six pages I was thinking it had got interesting, but alas no.

bits of it were, if my memory was better it might have got better, but alas it was ruined by them! mwahaha

its funny now how those who were slightly wary of rafa are now big anti and those who were slightly pro rafa now adore the guy. people are digging there heels in and no sense is being made

No mate i just think its unreasonable to judge a man next to people who have had more time,money, support from their board or all of the above. We havent got a devine right to win the league.Nothing to do with one up manship on here although it sometimes feels like the anti Rafa lot would prefer to be right witch dont make sence to me considering what he's given us and be wrong would mean winning the PL not to mention Bigmick is a no it all fecker.

by **Kharhaz** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:14 am

Here's a plan as we've tried everything else. Lets pick a team then stick with it for half a dozen matches. I know it's a bit out there, but you never know it might work. We could always try it and then re-assess after six matches. If it all fails and we start looking like a not very good team, we can revert back to the methods which are currently sweeping all before them.

Id be all for that but unfortunately this is where his downfall comes in, the stubbornness.

by **bigmick** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:33 am

Rush Job wrote:not to mention Bigmick is a no it all fecker.

I know it might come accross that way in the posts mate, but honestly my real life persona is very different from the impression many get on here. I have absolutely no doubts that if we had a couple'a beers you wouldn't think that.

All that said, I can't help the fact that I totally believe that Rafa is going about it the wrong way. The stuff about some people being more concerned with being right than the team being successful is simply wrong in my particular case, and I'm bound to say that I am fair less abusive and dismissive about my point of view than those who are at opposite ends of the debate often are.

I've said many times that hose who support Rafa nd his methods are fully entitled to their opinion, but equally I'm surely entitled to mine.

"Know it all fecker"? I don't know. I ain't a mug when it comes to football but I wouldn't profess to know it all. I do know though that so far in the League at least, the methodology so far hasn't really worked.

by **Number 9** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:40 am

bigmick wrote:
Rush Job wrote:not to mention Bigmick is a no it all fecker.

I know it might come accross that way in the posts mate, but honestly my real life persona is very different from the impression many get on here. I have absolutely no doubts that if we had a couple'a beers you wouldn't think that.

All that said, I can't help the fact that I totally believe that Rafa is going about it the wrong way. The stuff about some people being more concerned with being right than the team being successful is simply wrong in my particular case, and I'm bound to say that I am fair less abusive and dismissive about my point of view than those who are at opposite ends of the debate often are.

I've said many times that hose who support Rafa nd his methods are fully entitled to their opinion, but equally I'm surely entitled to mine.

"Know it all fecker"? I don't know. I ain't a mug when it comes to football but I wouldn't profess to know it all. I do know though that so far in the League at least, the methodology so far hasn't really worked.

Rush Job that is a bit of a terrible thing to say! He posts from his heart!

by **Rush Job** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:04 am

bigmick wrote:
Rush Job wrote:not to mention Bigmick is a no it all fecker.

I know it might come accross that way in the posts mate, but honestly my real life persona is very different from the impression many get on here. I have absolutely no doubts that if we had a couple'a beers you wouldn't think that.

All that said, I can't help the fact that I totally believe that Rafa is going about it the wrong way. The stuff about some people being more concerned with being right than the team being successful is simply wrong in my particular case, and I'm bound to say that I am fair less abusive and dismissive about my point of view than those who are at opposite ends of the debate often are.

I've said many times that hose who support Rafa nd his methods are fully entitled to their opinion, but equally I'm surely entitled to mine.

"Know it all fecker"? I don't know. I ain't a mug when it comes to football but I wouldn't profess to know it all. I do know though that so far in the League at least, the methodology so far hasn't really worked.

It was a joke for FS. I only said it because i know thats how ( on here ) you sometimes fear thats how you come across, thus justifying a tongue in cheek comment with all that above. Now ive handed you my weapon, mates? im no mug either.

by **bigmick** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:07 am

S'all cool mate, sorry I got the wrong end of the stick.

by **nobybob** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:12 am

dawson99,Jan. 27 2008,22:56]Rush job, Rafa has brought in a shed load of players in the 6-7 million mark, they lasted around 6 months each if lucky (bellamy for example) . and the players hes buying now (babel played out of position, torres til only recently playing as much as he should)

hes had the money, hes spent a lot, but its all one in one out all the time, no time to build up a team to win things. All we ever talk about is shipping players out to get more in. The reason we are always talking about that is that the management are buying the WRONG players.

now nobby bob if your brain cell can work that out, and stop being so narrow minded, you'd see how bad things are actually going at the moment.

[quote=dawson99,June 23 2006,12:12
It's 6 million. At the very worst we'd ship him off for 5 if he had the worst games EVER, but he is aproven goalscorer and I personally think he is exactly what we need.

NOBBYBOB
correct me if im wrong but is this not what you said at the time about the signing of bellamy??

And of gonzales you said

Posted: July 22 2005,13:48 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
sounds like a good buy. great attitude and all the attributes we need at the club

NOBBYBOB
looks like you agreed with RAFAS buying of the WRONG players at the time. Im to scared to see what you thought of morientes you proborably put the mockers on him as well

by **Toffeehater** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:49 am

bigmick wrote:This is the most perfect example in along time of how to completely ruin a thread. People quoting whole passages of text and following that with one and two word answers, as well as asking questions about how to quote etc which are entirely irrelavent to the subject matter, and then debating that for two pages. When I clicked ona nd saw the debate had extended to six pages I was thinking it had got interesting, but alas no.

by **nobybob** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:50 am

Toffeehater wrote:
bigmick wrote:This is the most perfect example in along time of how to completely ruin a thread. People quoting whole passages of text and following that with one and two word answers, as well as asking questions about how to quote etc which are entirely irrelavent to the subject matter, and then debating that for two pages. When I clicked ona nd saw the debate had extended to six pages I was thinking it had got interesting, but alas no.

Not wishing to quote whole passages of text and follow with one or two words answers was precisely WHY i was asking for a little advice on quoting, specifically so that i wouldn't be quoting something unnecessary and irrelevant to my point. I was not to know it would continue and so detract from the debate as it did, us newbies need a little leeway and help at times mate. And ok i have made 180 posts and should have asked for advice sooner but was embarrassed to ask in case someone critizised , which is exactly what you have done, much to the amusment of some.
think next time soft lad.

PS
I would love to discuss this more but fear that would only lead the thread off on a tangent other than originally intended , much to the annoyance of some, so alas no.
Now lets get back to the subject matter at hand RAFA.

by **bigmick** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:10 am

nobybob wrote:Not wishing to quote whole passages of text and follow with one or two words answers was precisely WHY i was asking for a little advice on quoting, specifically so that i wouldn't be quoting something unnecessary and irrelevant to my point. I was not to know it would continue and so detract from the debate as it did, us newbies need a little leeway and help at times mate. And ok i have made 180 posts and should have asked for advice sooner but was embarrassed to ask in case someone critizised , which is exactly what you have done, much to the amusment of some.
think next time soft lad.

"Think next time soft lad"? Hmmmm. It's not the first time in your 180 posts or however many times it is that you have been unnecessarily angsty. You were entitled to ask how to do the quoting thing and I have np problem with it, but I do think it's a bit daft when people (by no means yourself only) go on to debate Lakes' job for two pages. It probably was a bit up my own erse to point it out but I was enjoying the thread upto that point and it has long peeved me when (before your time on here) thread after thread got ruined by one liners and smileys. Give it a couple more weeks and similar things will get on your nerves as well no doubt. If people were amused by what I wrote (and I must confess it's news to me if they were) it was entirely unintentional on my part.

I'm not generally known for my humour around here to be perfectly honest Bob, but neither am I known for rudeness and flame wars so I won't be getting into one with you that's for sure. Suffice to say I'll agree to differ on this, as well as the prowess of the manager.

by **nobybob** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:56 am

Not wishing to quote whole passages of text and follow with one or two words answers was precisely WHY i was asking for a little advice on quoting, specifically so that i wouldn't be quoting something unnecessary and irrelevant to my point. I was not to know it would continue and so detract from the debate as it did, us newbies need a little leeway and help at times mate. And ok i have made 180 posts and should have asked for advice sooner but was embarrassed to ask in case someone critizised , which is exactly what you have done, much to the amusment of some.
think next time soft lad.]

"Think next time soft lad"? Hmmmm. It's not the first time in your 180 posts or however many times it is that you have been unnecessarily angsty. You were entitled to ask how to do the quoting thing and I have np problem with it, but I do think it's a bit daft when people (by no means yourself only) go on to debate Lakes' job for two pages. It probably was a bit up my own erse to point it out but I was enjoying the thread upto that point and it has long peeved me when (before your time on here) thread after thread got ruined by one liners and smileys. Give it a couple more weeks and similar things will get on your nerves as well no doubt. If people were amused by what I wrote (and I must confess it's news to me if they were) it was entirely unintentional on my part.

I'm not generally known for my humour around here to be perfectly honest Bob, but neither am I known for rudeness and flame wars so I won't be getting into one with you that's for sure. Suffice to say I'll agree to differ on this, as well as the prowess of the manager.]

If the soft lad comment was taken in angst i do apologise it was not meant in that way .As can be seen by the quote below this comment was made to me by an elite member here( which i mistakenly thought was you ) hence the return use of soft lad to you. I took it in the spirit that it was no more than colloquialism with no harm meant, and repeated it back in the same spirit . If this has offended you i can only apologize again
ps i took no part in the LAKES job debate mate

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Really this is not about winning the title or finishing 4th even , it's not about a nice new stadium ,or if the 2 yanks have x amount of dollars and the arabs have y amount . IT'S ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE CLUB you clueless glory hunting prats. Yer see when it comes down to it ,this is what being a supporter is all about . you support the club and everything it stands for . It's history it's tradition ,the kit colour the badge ,the smell the atmosphere. Get it . If all you want is titles and leagues and £30 million pound players and you want it now .Well go and get them ,cos there are other clubs that have them whilst we don't .
I think i'll stick around for a bit with the people i know want the best for my club and not just another shiny new stadium . I'll stay here with the people who won't accept being sh!t on from a great hieght as soon as we see the pound signs flashing . The club means alot to me ,more than you would know ,i will not see it ruined by you ,your american idols ,DIC or anyone .Take agood look at yourselves you know who you are.

what !!!and who is in control, how much cash they have,,, their intentions,,etc etc etc,, you think all this has no bearing on our future?? as for glory hunting is it a crime to hope that your club wins big ?? not for me..

i to feel the same as you about the history , traditions etc as do i suspect most here and would love my club success or not .But that should not stop us wanting and hoping for the best from our owners whoever that maybe

Read the post again soft lad .

by **RedBlood** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:00 am

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