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by **Leonmc0708** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 9:52 am

s@int wrote:I don't believe our team is not good enough to beat Wigan, Portsmouth, Birmingham, Reading etc etc. Maybe not good enough to beat the mancs, Chelsea, Arsenal, but its more than good enough to beat the Wigans of this world.

If we can't beat these "little teams" it shows we have problems, problems with tactics , motivation, not enough matchwinners, rotation, formation, balance,not picking our best team...... take your pick of excuses.

We can beat the best teams in Europe but we arn't good enough to beat Wigan? I don't think so.

If the little teams always lost to the big teams then we would be watching a different game.

Watch the games this weekend to see that sometimes this beautiful game can mean that a small ground with the fans right on top of the pitch can mean a team three divisions lower is on an an equal footing with Premier LEague teams.

by **Big Niall** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 10:48 am

every team has injuries, all teams have players who miss easy chances that cost points. It is not due to been unlucky that we are out of the league again (as usual) at the start of the year.

I have never believed that rafa has learned the premiership - he's never beaten a STeve Bruce team FFS, his record against the top four is appalling. Great European manager, probably do a good job for Real Madrid or Barca - I wouldn't be sorry to see of them make a move for him as then we'd get some cash, give Kenny the job for six months while we scout around. Unfortunately I think Mourinho has something in his severence deal preventing him coming back to England for a while

by **LegBarnes** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 10:50 am

yes rock you do get that impression with him , but at end of day i wish i was a fly on the wall in the dressing room to see what goes on in there i am sure this is a major area he lacks.

Also i think this is an area that will never improve due to fact people skills are some thing you get as you grow up and interact with people not some thing you can learn easy if at all at the 30 year old mark + .

But lets just stick by him till the summer if he still sucks then we should then put pressure on the club to ask him to resign he won us the CL and FA cup we owe him that at least i think.

by **LegBarnes** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 10:54 am

I do also think the only reason the owners hasnt got rid of rafa yet is the fact they are looking for a top 10 manager to replace him.

I dont know much about who is around at this moment who could do a better job this is only reason i can see why they having done it any ideas ? :lookaround

by **Big Niall** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 11:24 am

Mourinho is a tool but unbeaten at home in the league in three years in premiership is good enough for me. you don't have to like the guy but when he wins the premiership again but with LFC you won't have a problem with him complaining all the time.

by **account deleted by request** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 11:34 am

Leonmc0708 wrote:
s@int wrote:I don't believe our team is not good enough to beat Wigan, Portsmouth, Birmingham, Reading etc etc. Maybe not good enough to beat the mancs, Chelsea, Arsenal, but its more than good enough to beat the Wigans of this world.

If we can't beat these "little teams" it shows we have problems, problems with tactics , motivation, not enough matchwinners, rotation, formation, balance,not picking our best team...... take your pick of excuses.

We can beat the best teams in Europe but we arn't good enough to beat Wigan? I don't think so.

If the little teams always lost to the big teams then we would be watching a different game.

Watch the games this weekend to see that sometimes this beautiful game can mean that a small ground with the fans right on top of the pitch can mean a team three divisions lower is on an an equal footing with Premier LEague teams.

So you think its because Rafa cant motivate the team well enough then Leon?

Or are you saying that Anfield is a small ground with the fans on top of the pitch motivating our opponents. Its been at Anfield that we have lost our title challenge, not away mate.

by **Yessicajax** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 12:08 pm

Ok...i have a question...Why is Raffa so great.
U guys are 12 points behind Arsenal..And im sure its not only the fault of the players.

by **account deleted by request** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 12:35 pm

Yessicajax wrote:Ok...i have a question...Why is Raffa so great.
U guys are 12 points behind Arsenal..And im sure its not only the fault of the players.

I have been asking myself that same question for the last few weeks. I think its more a question of who could we get thats better, and who wouldn't destroy all the good work Rafa has done (and he has done a lot)

I don't want another five year plan, I don't want to see players that I think are great being sold to bring in some new managers players.

What manager in his right mind would take over Liverpool with these 3 clowns in control anyway. No money, no backing , no loyalty, no hope.

by **Yessicajax** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 12:57 pm

s@int wrote:
Yessicajax wrote:Ok...i have a question...Why is Raffa so great.
U guys are 12 points behind Arsenal..And im sure its not only the fault of the players.

I have been asking myself that same question for the last few weeks. I think its more a question of who could we get thats better, and who wouldn't destroy all the good work Rafa has done (and he has done a lot)

I don't want another five year plan, I don't want to see players that I think are great being sold to bring in some new managers players.

What manager in his right mind would take over Liverpool with these 3 clowns in control anyway. No money, no backing , no loyalty, no hope.

Is Hiddink not a good one for u guys..
Or Rijkaard.. (now i just say dutch coaches, cause i know they are good :nod

)

by **stmichael** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:01 pm

The thing is that a lot of people are, after the last few results, suddenly very upset that we probably won't be winning the league again this year. People were quite frankly fooling themselves if they thought we would actually win it but I can't see how it's unsurprising and time to call for Rafa's head again. How are we realistically supposed to finish above the mancs without really, REALLY strengthening the playing staff with some world-class players?

There was a gap there before that is likely to be about the same again. Are we going to close that gap by watching them sign Berbatov and Lahm while we sign Wayne Bridge? No. We're not. Are we going to close the gap on Chelsea if they sign Anelka and David Villa while we stick with Kuyt and Voronin? No. We're not.

by **lakes10** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:05 pm

The_Rock wrote:
Ciggy wrote:We will win the Champions league now wana bet

Yes, yes, we will win it.........this year.

We have at least won something in rafa's tenure here. so its a toss up between fa cup and champ league....

1)2005 - champ league
2)2006 - fa cup
3)2007 - charity shield
4)2008 - champ league or fa cup

when i look at that list one thing stands out, we started out with a big win (cl) and he has worked his way down to the charity shield.

by **LegBarnes** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:09 pm

i would like a dutch coach i like the way they set up teams they want to dominate teams playa ttacking football and try to kill of game early every thing rafa doesnt do .

now will that work with the prem of course cos look at mancs and &ssanholes they play exspansive football alot more then we do and its working for them this is what LFC needs a manager that says to the players before a game "go out there and destroy them" .

by **Big Niall** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:10 pm

Babel £12m,Kuyt£10m, Crouch £8m, Pennant £5m, Sissoko £4m, that is nearly £40m spent on players that don't strenthen our first team.

WE could have bought two top players for that (Torres cost about £20m so lets use that as the going rate for quality).

A smaller squad with better players and less rotation is the way to go.

by **LegBarnes** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:13 pm

stmichael wrote:The thing is that a lot of people are, after the last few results, suddenly very upset that we probably won't be winning the league again this year. People were quite frankly fooling themselves if they thought we would actually win it but I can't see how it's unsurprising and time to call for Rafa's head again. How are we realistically supposed to finish above the mancs without really, REALLY strengthening the playing staff with some world-class players?

There was a gap there before that is likely to be about the same again. Are we going to close that gap by watching them sign Berbatov and Lahm while we sign Wayne Bridge? No. We're not. Are we going to close the gap on Chelsea if they sign Anelka and David Villa while we stick with Kuyt and Voronin? No. We're not.

i dont care if we win league tbh i just want us to play better football and stop relying on other teams to make mistakes so we can score its been like hell for me over last 2 seasons i never have like playing 2 holding players in midfield and rafa sets the team up like that mabye 1 in every 2 game ? i dont know the stat but its gotta be 1 in 2.

i know this sounds daft but i would even like us to play like spurs then like the way we do but we wouldnt let in as many due to we have good defence.

by **Leonmc0708** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:23 pm

s@int wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
s@int wrote:I don't believe our team is not good enough to beat Wigan, Portsmouth, Birmingham, Reading etc etc. Maybe not good enough to beat the mancs, Chelsea, Arsenal, but its more than good enough to beat the Wigans of this world.

If we can't beat these "little teams" it shows we have problems, problems with tactics , motivation, not enough matchwinners, rotation, formation, balance,not picking our best team...... take your pick of excuses.

We can beat the best teams in Europe but we arn't good enough to beat Wigan? I don't think so.

If the little teams always lost to the big teams then we would be watching a different game.

Watch the games this weekend to see that sometimes this beautiful game can mean that a small ground with the fans right on top of the pitch can mean a team three divisions lower is on an an equal footing with Premier LEague teams.

So you think its because Rafa cant motivate the team well enough then Leon?

Or are you saying that Anfield is a small ground with the fans on top of the pitch motivating our opponents. Its been at Anfield that we have lost our title challenge, not away mate.

you said that if we cant beat little teams it shows we have problems, I suggested that little teams do sometimes win.

Do Arsenal have problems after losing at Boro ?

United lost at West Ham, City and Bolton, are they up sh.it creek ?

Chelsea lost at Villa so does this mean thay are in crisis ?

We only lost to Reading of the little teams, drawign games has been our problem, and not killing off teams or not having the craft to break through them.

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