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Leonmc0708 wrote:

s@int wrote:

And until the 'said' offended report such actions - nothing CAN be done about it with any true meaningful resolution. You see.

No mate, I don't see. Why can a Mod not see an offensive post and be pro-active about it, why do you have to wait till someone "goes running to the mods" before taking action. Obviously if you don't see it or you don't consider it offensive thats one thing, but many times a MOD posts underneath or on the same page as an abusive post, without comment.

What I read that to mean (and I will stand corrected if need be) was that who are we to say what offends people and what does not ?

Its overkill for us to start making the rules on whats offensive and whats not. If we as mods do this then this place will end up like certain other LFC forums that are square as fu.ck.

For instance, I get called a fatty, to me thats water off a ducks back, to someone who is unhappy with the way they look and not so confident - maybe someone who is depressed with their appearence - that could be the most hurtful thing in the World.

When do you step in ?

red37 wrote:Its not rocket science.

The two protagonists issue (hence the "antagonising folk" comment) was clearly aimed at the sentiments of this very thread.

The comment about whether or not you (as in a mod) finds something abusive or not, is a salient and quite pertinant one. As Leon points out - there have been times when his weight has been called into question. Im certain he and many others of a similar build can take it as well as dish it...i put that into the 'sticks and stones' category, if we are to determine some almanac with a scale of offending terms listed.

Clearly terms which descend into more sinister territory are however, considered in a different light. Paranoia can play havoc with many peoples interpretation when text is the medium used to present an insight. And not all the 'language' used is going to be up for analysis. Common sense and a spirit of 'banter' is a positive vibe and should always be treated with the wit with which it is intended, even if it should be sarcastic in nature. Hell, we are grown adults here.  Picking the bones out of each and every argumentative term and its counter is an entirely tedious task indeed. Particularly when the culprits will continue to do so, no matter what. I think we can all agree with that.

As I said before, I think I had better shut the fk up 

peewee wrote:again its ignored, jonnymac even posted after this so he must have read it.

dawson99 wrote:i keep thinking the title says massage

Leonmc0708 wrote:

s@int wrote:

And until the 'said' offended report such actions - nothing CAN be done about it with any true meaningful resolution. You see.

No mate, I don't see. Why can a Mod not see an offensive post and be pro-active about it, why do you have to wait till someone "goes running to the mods" before taking action. Obviously if you don't see it or you don't consider it offensive thats one thing, but many times a MOD posts underneath or on the same page as an abusive post, without comment.

What I read that to mean (and I will stand corrected if need be) was that who are we to say what offends people and what does not ?

Its overkill for us to start making the rules on whats offensive and whats not. If we as mods do this then this place will end up like certain other LFC forums that are square as fu.ck.

For instance, I get called a fatty, to me thats water off a ducks back, to someone who is unhappy with the way they look and not so confident - maybe someone who is depressed with their appearence - that could be the most hurtful thing in the World.

When do you step in ?

s@int wrote:It also makes it much more difficult to post as if you support a view held by one of the protagonists it appears you are taking their side rather than just agreeing with them on a particular point. I have deleted quite a few posts now because of this. So you will all have to live out your lives never knowing the gems you have missed.

Nooooo... what were they    Don't tell me you know the secret combination that will win us the premier league, and just won't tell us nor Rafa 

On a more serious note, I have to agree that this feud must come to an end now. It's getting really samey having to look past two or three pages of insults just to read some actual footy discussion.

Bad Bob wrote:

s@int wrote:I honestly believe that there is no need for personal insults at all and once you as MODs start to accept them it becomes ever more difficult as to where you draw the line.

I am not saying give out cards, but a quick word in PM would save things escalating and save peoples "face".

A fair point in theory, mate, but the reality is that we are (almost) all adults on here and it shouldn't take Mods to tell someone not to insult people.  We tried to be more interventionist when we first signed up and it did have a certain degree of success.  But, having a quiet word via PM for every insult dished on here is:

1) Far too time consuming (verges on the impossible on match days)

2) A bit too klinkish

That second point is important because some of the rucks on here are what make this place great.  If they are undertaken in the right spirit, the banter can be quite enjoyable.  None of us Mods are lily white and we all were involved in more than a few spats in our time before becoming Mods so we, I think correctly, worried that cracking down on each and every barbed comment would violate the spirit of this place before too long.  We even had several comments to that effect early days.  So, we've tried to take a more relaxed approach since then.  Perhaps too relaxed, as it turns out. 

But, moderating only works when people are willing to be moderated.  If posters don't respect our decisions, how can we operate?  I gave Peewee a legitimate card a while back and was abused publicly and privately for it for weeks.  I've been called names, had my integrity questioned and have received a series of jibes about everything from my wealth to whether I go to matches or not.  Yet, I'm supposed to put all that to one side when Peewee reports a Lando post?  I'm supposed to spring to his defense despite the fact that I have received nothing but stick and abuse from him in my short time as a Mod?  Nah, the phrase "you made your bed..." springs to mind.  Apparently that makes me a weak Mod but I too am only human.

Too right you wouldn't want to be a Mod, mate, because some of the people you have to deal with on here will do your head in.