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Postby woof woof ! » Tue Jul 20, 2004 4:28 pm

We're all naturally excited at the appointment of Benitez and the arrival of Cisse , but lets face it unless  Beni is a magician who can turn a pigs ear into a silk purse the squad we have is not good enough to challenge for major honours. Sure , he might revitalise some of the players and we will do well but as it stands I don't see us lifting any major trophies.
Most of us already know that two key areas that need to be addressed are midfield and central defence, I understand that Beni has only just arrived and is assessing his players ,but as a highly successful professional he would have known before his arrival at LFC that our midfield and defence needed beefing up.
I don't know what funds he has available but we still need to sign at least two players for the areas mentioned.If funds are not available then the board should crawl on their hands and knees to Morgan and invite him back to negotiate a deal.
Unless of course they (the board) are thinking of selling (Owen ?) to raise the cash required .  :(
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Postby zarababe » Tue Jul 20, 2004 6:03 pm

Barking as usual woof woof :( I think his statement says a lot about what he is thinking.. leave the managing to him... and TRUST the guy ???
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Postby woof woof ! » Wed Jul 21, 2004 6:36 am

No lack of trust is inferred , but I do feel uneasy that the new season is fast approaching and the issues mentioned above seemingly have not been addressed .
If that is me "Barking as usual" so what ? This is  a forum is it not ? Thanx for your usual banal contribution,all opinions are welcome even ones as flaccid as yours. :)
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Postby 112-1077774096 » Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:49 am

you have to earn trust zarababe
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Postby LFC #1 » Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:57 am

he has said that he has a 3 year plan, in which he plans to have the title in the space of 3 years, definetely a realistic goal.
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Postby Bring Dalglish back » Wed Jul 21, 2004 9:35 am

With regards to new signings and the current Liverpool squad, Benitez apparently said, "if a table is good with four legs, why add another leg."

Contrary to this, can Benitez not see that we need more cover in defence, which at most of the times, is an area of our side that is so vulnerable!!!
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Postby anfieldadorer » Wed Jul 21, 2004 11:34 am

Benitez can see. HE can also calculate money.
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Postby Starbridge42 » Wed Jul 21, 2004 12:01 pm

I suppose we need to remember he inherited a very similiar sort of valencia squad.  One with good players whose confidence was shot to pieces, and he won the title in his first year.  Maybe he is happy with the squad at large and is planning to work with what he has before splurging on one or two players.  maybe we'll see an unexpected re-surgence from one of the establish players or the rise of some of the academ players.  I don't know what this coming season has in store and I suspect that no one here really does.  I think we just have to watch and wait.  Maybe we'll be suprised, or maybe we won't.  Only time will tell, and complaining about a lack of signings on an internet web board isn't going to make us go on a chelsea-style spending spree or even a spending spree of any sort.  its up to Beni and we can only watch, wait and support the great club that is Liverpool FC.
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Postby zarababe » Wed Jul 21, 2004 12:49 pm

woof woof ! wrote:No lack of trust is inferred , but I do feel uneasy that the new season is fast approaching and the issues mentioned above seemingly have not been addressed .
If that is me "Barking as usual" so what ? This is  a forum is it not ? Thanx for your usual banal contribution,all opinions are welcome even ones as flaccid as yours. :)

My point is that Benitez's statement does not shy away from the need to strengthen the squad. That fact that there has been little activity says a lot about the availability of resources (we ain't Chelasea... nor is anyone else).. the guy's spinning waht seems to be an empty kitty situation... or may be not!

I agree that we need more than 1 or 2 signings, but I think that some under-performers may shine under him and others may well excell further :)

As for my "banal" and "flaccid" comments .. I think you'll find I've got your back-up Woof Woof... ???
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Postby stmichael » Wed Jul 21, 2004 12:54 pm

People get far to worked up on the need for new signings.

It gives you a sense that we're going forward, but it can also give you a false picture.

Wenger managed to win his first trophies at Arsenal by retaining his aging and alledgedly "over-the-hill" back four. Ferguson has managed to be successful despite the assertion every year since I can remember that certain members of his back four lack pace and mobility.

Firstly, bringing in new players isn't necessarily the way forward. Benitez is absolutely spot on in his assertion that new players should only be brought in if and when he has determined they are needed.

That's what happens when you change managers. He has his ideas and will play the team his own way, so it's wrong to demand the changes we would have expected under Houllier.

To an extent, the greatest issue that faced Houllier, was not the "lack of mobility" at the back, but the fact that he failed to mould the team in to an effective unit that could attack and defend together. We rarely dominated oppponents and too often relied on individual genius to keep us going.

Look closely at the team and you will find 2 very experienced solid centre backs, 2 international full backs, a forward line that has "goals" written all over it, 2 central midfielders who are first choice international choices for significant countries, a left sided midfielder who has been one of the most consistent, creative goalscorers in the Premiership in recent years. Added to all that we have numerous squad players who are experienced internationals or highly regarded youngsters.

The question has to be... what can Benitez make of the talent at his disposal.

If Benitez can tease out the form Riise showed a few years ago at LB, tease out the form Finnan showed at Fulhma at RB, tease out the coherent defensive abilities we klnow Hyppia & Henchoz are capable of, keep Gerrrad playing as he did last season, give Hamman a more progressive role, get more consistency from Smicer and Murphy, get Otsemebor, Welsh, Le Tallec & Pongolle to tranfer their potential in to actual performances, get Kewell to lift his game a tad and manage to coax a few goals out of Baros & Cisse to compliment the goals Owen will ineviatably score... then you have a team capable of mamking a serious challenge.

Houllier managed to put a team out on the park last season that for periods outplayed Arsenal, Man Ure & Chelsea without getting arguably justifiable rewards in many cases.

Yes we do have an issue at right midfield, because we don't really possess a natural wide-right player for that position.

There are other changes that Benitez could make to the team... but there is no need to suppose that Benitez can't solve those issues through the resourses already present.

On the one hand we talk about the importance of giving youth a chance, while simaltenously talking about the need to go out and sign new players.

Well... the two are at odds with each other.... youth can not flourish unless it is given a chance.. Le Tallec will be destined to become a distant memory unless he gets games... we'll never know anything about the ability of Diarra, Raven, Madjani, Otsemebor, Partridge & Welsh unless Benitez at least takes a look at them before deciding if replacements are needed.

If Benitez doesn't sign any new players this summer, it's because he's convinced he doesn't need to... and at this point he deserves our trust to make that judgement call... because that's why Parry employed him.

For me, the clues about what Benitez plans to do start to arrive tonight... when we play our first game under him.

Let's actually wait and see how we line up and how we play before we jump to the conclusion that it is impossible for Liverpool Football Club to progress with recourse to the transfer market.
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Postby zarababe » Wed Jul 21, 2004 12:54 pm

peewee wrote:you have to earn trust zarababe

Hello Peewee.. "benefit of the doubt" for unsuccessful's like us.. (league-wise) in recent years.. is also required ...

Though I agree... trust is to be earnt ..  certainly the Boss has an impressive record in recent years and has the trust of the players... who have taken a shine to him .. the place is a "buzzin" zzzz ..
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Postby zarababe » Wed Jul 21, 2004 1:23 pm

Good points St Michael... :)
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Postby woof woof ! » Wed Jul 21, 2004 2:11 pm

stmichael wrote:The question has to be... what can Benitez make of the talent at his disposal.

If Benitez can tease out the form Riise showed a few years ago at LB, tease out the form Finnan showed at Fulhma at RB, tease out the coherent defensive abilities we klnow Hyppia & Henchoz are capable of, keep Gerrrad playing as he did last season, give Hamman a more progressive role, get more consistency from Smicer and Murphy, get Otsemebor, Welsh, Le Tallec & Pongolle to tranfer their potential in to actual performances, get Kewell to lift his game a tad and manage to coax a few goals out of Baros & Cisse to compliment the goals Owen will ineviatably score... then you have a team capable of mamking a serious challenge.

A well reasoned argument St Mike,the gist of which seems to be "with the same resources but different mgr we are capable of challengingfor the title.
It's not an impossibility , Benitez may well indeed bring out the best in our squad and meld them into an effective unit.  I would however be very surprised (and deleriously happy) if with the players currently available to him Benitez manages to turn us into serious challengers for the title. I fully expect that we will do well under our new mgr but as things stand I believe that without stregthening the midfield and central defence we cannot seriously expect more than a finish similar to last seasons (although the points gap should be significantly closer). I take on board your comments about
bring through the younger, players they do at some point have to be tested but if the answer to our problems in defence and midfield was to be found ready and available within our younger players I'm sure Houllier would have used them. My observations are not a lack of support for Benitez , just the view of one fan amongst thousands who have witnessed on many occaisions how easily our defence has been penetrated and our ability to attack stifled . Of course Rafa is the Gaffa and he will make the decisions . Everything else is just us p*ssing in the wind .  :)
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Postby stmichael » Wed Jul 21, 2004 2:14 pm

i know woof. it just seems a bit unreasonable for certain members of this forum to just expect the manager to get rid of x, y and z when he may only have seen clips of them in the past. the fans know the areas where we are weak and lets hope the manager feels the same and strengthens. :)
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Postby woof woof ! » Wed Jul 21, 2004 2:44 pm

zarababe wrote:As for my "banal" and "flaccid" comments .. I think you'll find I've got your back-up Woof Woof... ???

For all of three seconds but the sight of your hero checking inside the world cup for his hidden stash (your avatar) always has that affect on me .  :D   :D
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