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by **LFC2007** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:44 pm

Terrorists who purposely kill innocent people to achieve their goals, "freedom fighters" would be one twisted way of putting it.

I find it shocking the bias and extreme naivity you show in your views, people say the silent majority in Arab countries should stand up against terrorism - if you are one of these "silent majority" then I find it even more shocking.

by **zarababe** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:31 am

.. any one for more .. 'Salmon'

by **Big Niall** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 9:34 am

dawson99 wrote:You people are all commies!!!

sometimes the stronger coutries need to go to war to keep a level playing field. Saddam was an evil dictator and needed to be stopped. Who cares why we actually went. we went,. We got rid of him. Its the politics afterwoods that the usa have fecked up.

Falklands was about oil? Feck off it was. Afghanistan should be left alone? Feck off, terrorism is rife and needs to be stamped out, and yes, some innocent people will die.

why not remove the evil dictators in Africa? many in Asia too.

The "evil dictator" idea is just an excuse.

There is a lot more evil in Iraq now than 5 years ago and a lot more danger to Britain as a result.

by **redtrader74** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 10:44 am

puroresu wrote:
redtrader74 wrote:
kobashi wrote:I am asking you a question. please tell me how the british fighting in the falklands to stop what they believed to be occupation is somehow okay while fighting occupation in iraq isnt?

again I am not comparing British forces too the Nazi's. I am saying occupation of other people's lands is wrong and that people have a right to resist that. it seems that you think that the british and US forces have every right to be in the middle east and the people should not be fighting back.

Two totally different scenarios. When Saddam was overthrown didn't you see the Iraqis dancing in the Streets?

Didn't you see them smash all the Statues of Saddam?

Didn't you see them raid his Palaces?

Didn't you see the joy on their faces?

The fighting in Iraq has nothing to do with the normal Iraqi,those poor bast@rds are being killed by their own, it is primarily being fought by the remnants of Saddams Ba'ath Party, and by terrorism sponsored by states such as Iran. Why else would normal Iraqis applying for jobs in the Police be blown to bits, by their fellow muslim brother? A blind man can see this. I don't believe we should have gone into Iraq, let Saddam keep doing what he did, and then his sons continue after he dies.

BUT now that we are there, what do you expect the allies to do? If we leave there will be genocide, the country will split into 3, Iran will probably attack, pretending to protect the Shia. Personally i couldn't care less, but there are people in this country who do. So what do you suggest?

Your anti western rhetoric stinks, when Bosnian Muslims were being slaughtered, who were the primary forces in place to save them? YES THATS RIGHT, THE BRITISH, we sided against the Christian Serbs and for the majority muslim Bosnians, who gave them Asylum, yes again the West, no damn Muslim Country said, send them here, we will take care of our brothers.
Get a grip, you complain but offer no help, resources or plausible solutions, i said it before, if you will always side with a muslim against a non muslim, and believe that to be only choice, then you are as bad as any Racist organisation.

The idea of Hezbollah being some kind of paramilitary group is wrong. Hezbollah is the real army in Lebanon. When Israel occupied south Lebanon for 18 years who was it that resisted? Hezbollah. When Israel invaded last summer who resisted and forced Israel out? Hezbollah. The actual 'army' were in the barracks while Hezbollah fighters were on the front line. If I was a citizan of Lebanon I know who I would want to defend my land.

"When Saddam was overthrown didn't you see the Iraqis dancing in the Streets?" Of course the Iraqi people were happy who wouldnt be. However does that equate to wanting to be under occupation?

"Didn't you see them smash all the Statues of Saddam?" You mean the staged US show. Look at this pic and u see there was not thousands of people at all. http://media.consumercide.com/saddamstatue.html

How anyone can describe this war as some sort of liberation is beyond me. Liberation? The so called liberators dont even count the dead bodies of the people they claim to be liberating. No electricity, no water, no security. 4 years on and Iraq is one big mess but thats ok as Saddam is gone and the people have been liberated. No-one can deny the rights of the people to resist occupation. Thats absurd. The people in Iraq have every right to resist the invaders. These are a proud people and history shows they resisted bravely against the mongols let alone the US/UK forces.

"The fighting in Iraq has nothing to do with the normal Iraqi,those poor bast@rds are being killed by their own, it is primarily being fought by the remnants of Saddams Ba'ath Party, and by terrorism sponsored by states such as Iran."

And u know this because? If Britian was invaded would not normal civilians take up arms against the occupier. A few years ago Iraq's interim government recently admitted that the insurgency involves at least 40,000 hardcore fighters & 200,000 active sympathizers.Aa far cry from the isolated 5,000 Baathist remnants & foreign fighters the Pentagon initially claimed to be fighting.

"Why else would normal Iraqis applying for jobs in the Police be blown to bits, by their fellow muslim brother?"

Because anyone seen to be working with the enemy (occupation) becomes the enemy.

"BUT now that we are there, what do you expect the allies to do? If we leave there will be genocide, the country will split into 3, Iran will probably attack, pretending to protect the Shia. Personally i couldn't care less, but there are people in this country who do. So what do you suggest?"

And if the occupation stays what happens then? 4 Years and I dont see much improvement. I just see bloodshed and death and even the great army from the US cant secure Iraq.
All I hear is "stay to the job is done". What does this mean? The job will never be done as an occupied people will always resist an occupation.

"Your anti western rhetoric stinks, when Bosnian Muslims were being slaughtered, who were the primary forces in place to save them? YES THATS RIGHT, THE BRITISH, we sided against the Christian Serbs and for the majority muslim Bosnians, who gave them Asylum, yes again the West, no damn Muslim Country said, send them here, we will take care of our brothers."

The Islamic Worlds response to the bosnian crisis was awful and they did nothing but please dont try and make the British heroe's. If u look at the facts u see that the international community imposed an arms embargo imposed on Bosnia which stopped the bosnian's actually being able to defend themselves. A defenceless people were slaughtered thpusands displaced and they couldnt even fight back.

I have not mentioned liberation, like i said i couldn't care less what Saddam was doing, the worlds a shit place, there is enough murder, paedophilia going on here, i'd rather we looked after this country before anyone else.

I never mentioned Hezbollah, but are they the real army of Lebanon? I doubt the Christians in Lebanon believe that. They are mostly Palestinian, so what are they donig in Lebanon? Ocuppying force?!

by **puroresu** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 10:51 am

redtrader74 wrote:
puroresu wrote:
redtrader74 wrote:
kobashi wrote:I am asking you a question. please tell me how the british fighting in the falklands to stop what they believed to be occupation is somehow okay while fighting occupation in iraq isnt?

again I am not comparing British forces too the Nazi's. I am saying occupation of other people's lands is wrong and that people have a right to resist that. it seems that you think that the british and US forces have every right to be in the middle east and the people should not be fighting back.

Two totally different scenarios. When Saddam was overthrown didn't you see the Iraqis dancing in the Streets?

Didn't you see them smash all the Statues of Saddam?

Didn't you see them raid his Palaces?

Didn't you see the joy on their faces?

The fighting in Iraq has nothing to do with the normal Iraqi,those poor bast@rds are being killed by their own, it is primarily being fought by the remnants of Saddams Ba'ath Party, and by terrorism sponsored by states such as Iran. Why else would normal Iraqis applying for jobs in the Police be blown to bits, by their fellow muslim brother? A blind man can see this. I don't believe we should have gone into Iraq, let Saddam keep doing what he did, and then his sons continue after he dies.

BUT now that we are there, what do you expect the allies to do? If we leave there will be genocide, the country will split into 3, Iran will probably attack, pretending to protect the Shia. Personally i couldn't care less, but there are people in this country who do. So what do you suggest?

Your anti western rhetoric stinks, when Bosnian Muslims were being slaughtered, who were the primary forces in place to save them? YES THATS RIGHT, THE BRITISH, we sided against the Christian Serbs and for the majority muslim Bosnians, who gave them Asylum, yes again the West, no damn Muslim Country said, send them here, we will take care of our brothers.
Get a grip, you complain but offer no help, resources or plausible solutions, i said it before, if you will always side with a muslim against a non muslim, and believe that to be only choice, then you are as bad as any Racist organisation.

The idea of Hezbollah being some kind of paramilitary group is wrong. Hezbollah is the real army in Lebanon. When Israel occupied south Lebanon for 18 years who was it that resisted? Hezbollah. When Israel invaded last summer who resisted and forced Israel out? Hezbollah. The actual 'army' were in the barracks while Hezbollah fighters were on the front line. If I was a citizan of Lebanon I know who I would want to defend my land.

"When Saddam was overthrown didn't you see the Iraqis dancing in the Streets?" Of course the Iraqi people were happy who wouldnt be. However does that equate to wanting to be under occupation?

"Didn't you see them smash all the Statues of Saddam?" You mean the staged US show. Look at this pic and u see there was not thousands of people at all. http://media.consumercide.com/saddamstatue.html

How anyone can describe this war as some sort of liberation is beyond me. Liberation? The so called liberators dont even count the dead bodies of the people they claim to be liberating. No electricity, no water, no security. 4 years on and Iraq is one big mess but thats ok as Saddam is gone and the people have been liberated. No-one can deny the rights of the people to resist occupation. Thats absurd. The people in Iraq have every right to resist the invaders. These are a proud people and history shows they resisted bravely against the mongols let alone the US/UK forces.

"The fighting in Iraq has nothing to do with the normal Iraqi,those poor bast@rds are being killed by their own, it is primarily being fought by the remnants of Saddams Ba'ath Party, and by terrorism sponsored by states such as Iran."

And u know this because? If Britian was invaded would not normal civilians take up arms against the occupier. A few years ago Iraq's interim government recently admitted that the insurgency involves at least 40,000 hardcore fighters & 200,000 active sympathizers.Aa far cry from the isolated 5,000 Baathist remnants & foreign fighters the Pentagon initially claimed to be fighting.

"Why else would normal Iraqis applying for jobs in the Police be blown to bits, by their fellow muslim brother?"

Because anyone seen to be working with the enemy (occupation) becomes the enemy.

"BUT now that we are there, what do you expect the allies to do? If we leave there will be genocide, the country will split into 3, Iran will probably attack, pretending to protect the Shia. Personally i couldn't care less, but there are people in this country who do. So what do you suggest?"

And if the occupation stays what happens then? 4 Years and I dont see much improvement. I just see bloodshed and death and even the great army from the US cant secure Iraq.
All I hear is "stay to the job is done". What does this mean? The job will never be done as an occupied people will always resist an occupation.

"Your anti western rhetoric stinks, when Bosnian Muslims were being slaughtered, who were the primary forces in place to save them? YES THATS RIGHT, THE BRITISH, we sided against the Christian Serbs and for the majority muslim Bosnians, who gave them Asylum, yes again the West, no damn Muslim Country said, send them here, we will take care of our brothers."

The Islamic Worlds response to the bosnian crisis was awful and they did nothing but please dont try and make the British heroe's. If u look at the facts u see that the international community imposed an arms embargo imposed on Bosnia which stopped the bosnian's actually being able to defend themselves. A defenceless people were slaughtered thpusands displaced and they couldnt even fight back.

I have not mentioned liberation, like i said i couldn't care less what Saddam was doing, the worlds a shit place, there is enough murder, paedophilia going on here, i'd rather we looked after this country before anyone else.

I never mentioned Hezbollah, but are they the real army of Lebanon? I doubt the Christians in Lebanon believe that. They are mostly Palestinian, so what are they donig in Lebanon? Ocuppying force?!

Your confused. Hezbollah are not palestinian at all.

As for the christians, well during the 18 year occupation of south lebanon by the zionists there were christians fought with hezbollah and who hezbollah call martyrs.

by **metalhead** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:17 am

LFC2007 wrote:
puroresu wrote:The idea of Hezbollah being some kind of paramilitary group is wrong.

Enough said, they are a terrorist organisation. The bias shown by some people is just unbelievable.

aha, you call us anti-american biased people, well I'll tell you that you only listen to one side of the story and listen to what Bush says about Hizballah.

Listen to both sides of views mate, I won't generalize, but some europeans and Americans would say hizballah are a terrorist group because of what CNN or Fox or Sky says! Its wrong! its very wrong. you should look into the opposition's point of view and check what they say. Hizballah are not a terrorist group! they are only considered a terrorist group by FEW countries and they aren't even in the U.N list of terrorist organization. Plus, would a terrorist group help the lebanese civilians to rebuild their houses when the war has ended? Hizballah accepted that they went to war with israel and they said that they will finance every single civilian who lost a house. Also, would a terrorist organization cooperate with the UNIFEL in the south to make them comfortable there or find who is behind the killings of 5 spanish soldiers two days ago?

I'm with the lebanese army, I back what they are doing in the north right now, but Hizballah have protecting us from zionist invasion or attack since 1982. They are a RESISTANCE nothing more.

I never mentioned Hezbollah, but are they the real army of Lebanon? I doubt the Christians in Lebanon believe that.

aha, here is were everyone need to investigate a little further into lebanese internal affairs. Yes many christians are with Hizballah and against the government, its a FACT, its known in Lebanon, if you ask a lebanese christian who support the "Aoun" group which is led by general aoun himself would say they support hizballah because they are allies, but if you ask another christian lebanese who is with the "Ga3 Ga3" group led by Dr. Samir Ga Ga, then they would say they hate hizballah because they are against them. There is a huge division in the Lebanese politics, about 55% of the population is against the government, 40% are with and 5% are neutral. the 55% are the Aoun group (christians) Haraket Amal (Shia organization), Marada (Christians), Hizballah (Shia organization) and Other sunni organizations which are formed by ex-PMs.

Ironically, CNN and other U.S media channels love to say all of these organization are Hizballah supporters (making them the bad guy) and these supporters want to ruin the independence and the democracy in the country, which is absolutely bull sh!t! because they really don't know how cr@p is the government is and full of lies!

by **redtrader74** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:19 am

You're right i was confused then! Please answer the questions in my original post.Not one eyed responses. The arms embargo in Yugoslavia was not limited to the Bosnians, it was for all sides. OK for a certain period the Bosnians were at a disadvantage, but if for arguments sake 20,000 Bosnians were killed, but without the embargo 15,000 bosnians and 15,000 serbs were killed, would you be happier? Life is life, a muslim life is no more important than a non-muslim?? The UN, and West were the saviours in Yugoslavia, accept that. Where were the Muslim nations? Did they offer to rebuild, offer any Asylum, no, all that came from Europe. What is your solution for Iraq?? you criticise but offer no solution. I personally would say pull out and let them kill each other until they find a natural solution.

Again no muslims care when other muslims kill each other, no rallies, demonstrations about the Kurds being oppressed and murdered in Turkey, or when Saddam killed Kurds in Iraq.

by **metalhead** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:23 am

redtrader74 wrote:You're right i was confused then! Please answer the questions in my original post.Not one eyed responses. The arms embargo in Yugoslavia was not limited to the Bosnians, it was for all sides. OK for a certain period the Bosnians were at a disadvantage, but if for arguments sake 20,000 Bosnians were killed, but without the embargo 15,000 bosnians and 15,000 serbs were killed, would you be happier? Life is life, a muslim life is no more important than a non-muslim?? The UN, and West were the saviours in Yugoslavia, accept that. Where were the Muslim nations? Did they offer to rebuild, offer any Asylum, no, all that came from Europe. What is your solution for Iraq?? you criticise but offer no solution. I personally would say pull out and let them kill each other until they find a natural solution.

Again no muslims care when other muslims kill each other, no rallies, demonstrations about the Kurds being oppressed and murdered in Turkey, or when Saddam killed Kurds in Iraq.

do you think the arab countries have the means to give asaylum when clrearly the middle east is in a f*cked up state? its in chaos! Many arab countries don't even have money to rebuild their own country! Your last statement is a fallacy! its absurd! :no

by **Sabre** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:41 am

I wouldn't call "freedom fighters" to a military group that throws missiles against civilians like Hezbollah did.

That said, I don't think they're terrorists, they're simply a military group that has done cruel actions against Israel, and not limiting the actions to the military, but also the innocent civilians. Just like Israel does, BTW.

But Terrorists? no way. 6 Spanish soldiers just have been killed in the Lebanon. Hezbollah has condemned this attacks and has said this attacks are wrong. It's not only the words, their facts are also fighting the terrorists that put a bomb against the Spanish soldiers. So we can discuss a lot about how we call them, but I know telling some differences between the Al quaeda related group that killed the Spaniards, and Hezbollah, the military group that controls the Lebanon.

The Al Quaeda related groups try and kill any west soldier they can. Hezbollah are colaborating with Spanish officials to combat this terrorists. That's a difference, and if you can't see it's lack of depth of knowledge about the situation, or just buying the official Israeli propaganda.

Disclaimer: I'm a Christian, I hate terrorism of any kind, I'm not a militaristic guy, but I can't see how what Hezbollah does is worse than Israel does, the only difference is the technology.

by **redtrader74** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:44 am

Saudi, Kuwait, Dubai, Egypt, Turkey could all have offered asylum. Countried like Morocco, Tunisia are not destitute, they could have given shelter. Our NHS is Fcked up, yet we find money to give away, and offer asylum We just pay more tax to fund it, yes the evil west!!haha

Last statement is true, there has never been any demonstrations outside Turkish embassies saying don't kill Kurds, by non Kurds. No terror attacks on Turkey by Al Qaeeda to save their Muslim 'brother' Kurds. Or previously to Iraq. It seems pain for a muslim oppression is only felt when the 'oppressor' is non muslim.

by **Wilhelmsson** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:45 am

The reason for the problems today can be traced to the aggressive and intimidating nature of US Foreign policy. The United States cannot leave a country alone, first it was the USSR and now it’s The Middle East, next it will be Africa. The US’ intentions are both that of a good nature and that of an ill nature, that’s human nature.

I don’t support war, but on the same note I don’t support terrorism and whilst much of the terrorism is a reactionary measure of an extreme nature, it will not solve problems in the future, because the US will strike back and it will go around in circles. No one wins a war because ultimately it’s the innocent who suffer the most.

I can understand the reasons behind the US entering Afghanistan albeit it was illegal the reasoning is understandable. The Taliban was harbouring and supporting terrorism which affects the United States and other countries on their list, the security of innocent civilians is of grave importance. Now there is an argument to be made that the US also went into Afghanistan for personal gain, I won’t dispute this as it’s a key principle in a Western Liberal Democracy. I am sure if the shoe was on the Middle East’s foot, they’d do much of the same.

The US’ war on Iraq was a war and is a war I’ll never support, Saddam was not a threat to the West and if the Iraq’s wanted Saddam gone, the populace could have over thrown him if there was enough support for this. The country is in turmoil and once again it’s the innocent civilians of Iraq who are suffering. Now the US and the UK have tried and forced their representative democracy onto Iraq and are getting burnt by the backlash. Forcing representative democracy onto a country which was ruled by an Iron Fist is like forcing Hitler to like Jews, it’s not going to work straight away and it might never work.

The US and the UK have every right to hold a role in world peace, as super powers they have a role to fulfil, but the US do not realise that they come on too strong, if you listen to Bush and even Reagan in the 1980’s, they demand a nation does what the US tells them is right otherwise they will use military force. A peaceful world cannot be achieved when people are not willing to compromise and that goes for everyone, not just the US. Israel and countries like Iran need to learn to co-operate in a pragmatic and diplomatic manner, the US needs to learn to compromise instead of being overly forceful and as a result creating more enemies.

War and brute force should be a last resort for any nation; sadly the greed of mankind and the hunger for power can corrupt even the most civil man.

As for Salmon Rushdie getting his Knighthood, he is getting his knighthood for his charitable work in the community; he is not getting his Knighthood for the Satanic Verses. I support his Knighthood because he has gotten it for helping his community and communities alike through charitable work, that’s worth the highest accolade. This Fatwa nonsense, won’t win the Middle East any support, it just adds to US propaganda.

by **metalhead** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:50 pm

redtrader74 wrote:Saudi, Kuwait, Dubai, Egypt, Turkey could all have offered asylum. Countried like Morocco, Tunisia are not destitute, they could have given shelter. Our NHS is Fcked up, yet we find money to give away, and offer asylum We just pay more tax to fund it, yes the evil west!!haha

Last statement is true, there has never been any demonstrations outside Turkish embassies saying don't kill Kurds, by non Kurds. No terror attacks on Turkey by Al Qaeeda to save their Muslim 'brother' Kurds. Or previously to Iraq. It seems pain for a muslim oppression is only felt when the 'oppressor' is non muslim.

You have entirely no clue what happens in the middle east! saying muslims dont care killing muslims is absurd! protests? there have been many and many protests against conflict between shia and sunnis! but most media dont seem to care, and they only show a tape of an extremist leader saying he wants to wipe out the other division of muslims or saying there has been a bomb explosion in a "sunni" area in Iraq, while this area has a 50-50 percent of shia and sunnis living in it. Watch al-jazeera in english, it maybe anti-american or anti-european or just biased, but it does offer the arab view point. I usually watch CNN, BBC, Al-Jazeera and other channels to see different view points.

by **puroresu** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:19 pm

There were plenty demonstrations in Iraq with Sunni and Shia marching together calling for Islam. Plenty shia and sunni clerics have "dont let the occupiers divide us"

by **LFC2007** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 3:25 pm

metalhead wrote:aha, you call us anti-american biased people, well I'll tell you that you only listen to one side of the story and listen to what Bush says about Hizballah.

Listen to both sides of views mate, I won't generalize, but some europeans and Americans would say hizballah are a terrorist group because of what CNN or Fox or Sky says! Its wrong! its very wrong. you should look into the opposition's point of view and check what they say. Hizballah are not a terrorist group! they are only considered a terrorist group by FEW countries and they aren't even in the U.N list of terrorist organization. Plus, would a terrorist group help the lebanese civilians to rebuild their houses when the war has ended? Hizballah accepted that they went to war with israel and they said that they will finance every single civilian who lost a house. Also, would a terrorist organization cooperate with the UNIFEL in the south to make them comfortable there or find who is behind the killings of 5 spanish soldiers two days ago?

I'm with the lebanese army, I back what they are doing in the north right now, but Hizballah have protecting us from zionist invasion or attack since 1982. They are a RESISTANCE nothing more.

I never mentioned Hezbollah, but are they the real army of Lebanon? I doubt the Christians in Lebanon believe that.

aha, here is were everyone need to investigate a little further into lebanese internal affairs. Yes many christians are with Hizballah and against the government, its a FACT, its known in Lebanon, if you ask a lebanese christian who support the "Aoun" group which is led by general aoun himself would say they support hizballah because they are allies, but if you ask another christian lebanese who is with the "Ga3 Ga3" group led by Dr. Samir Ga Ga, then they would say they hate hizballah because they are against them. There is a huge division in the Lebanese politics, about 55% of the population is against the government, 40% are with and 5% are neutral. the 55% are the Aoun group (christians) Haraket Amal (Shia organization), Marada (Christians), Hizballah (Shia organization) and Other sunni organizations which are formed by ex-PMs.

Ironically, CNN and other U.S media channels love to say all of these organization are Hizballah supporters (making them the bad guy) and these supporters want to ruin the independence and the democracy in the country, which is absolutely bull sh!t! because they really don't know how cr@p is the government is and full of lies!

Well I'll tell you to stop being so unrelentingly anti-western and anti-uk.

I have plenty of perspective in my views, you and more specifically Puroresu will take ANY opportunity to take digs at the "west" at ANY time. Not just western government but western culture.

Just like you will accuse the U.S. of meddling in Palestine with Fatah and Hamas, I'll accuse Iran of meddling in Lebanon and supplying paramilitary groups in Iraq. Just like you will say the West are invaders of Muslim lands, I will say Hezbollah have terrorist factions who have committed violent attrocities against U.S. troops. Just like you will say Israel are killing purposely, I will say Hezbollah are killing in an even more gratuitous way with no compromise. Just like you'll deny that Hezbollah have terrorist factions who kill gratuitously, I'll also deny that allied troops are not acting to Liberate Iraq. Just like you will accuse the west of meddling in South America, I will accuse Iran of meddling there too.

I'm well aware of what Hezbollah are, I don't watch Fox or whatever cra.p you're talking about and form a judgement. I could lay the same ignorant accusation against you, stop watching Aljazeera and forming an opinion. To kill U.S. troops in the 80's, and you'll deny this so vehemently I know, without cause is just unacceptable.

by **redtrader74** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 10:54 pm

metalhead wrote:
redtrader74 wrote:Saudi, Kuwait, Dubai, Egypt, Turkey could all have offered asylum. Countried like Morocco, Tunisia are not destitute, they could have given shelter. Our NHS is Fcked up, yet we find money to give away, and offer asylum We just pay more tax to fund it, yes the evil west!!haha

Last statement is true, there has never been any demonstrations outside Turkish embassies saying don't kill Kurds, by non Kurds. No terror attacks on Turkey by Al Qaeeda to save their Muslim 'brother' Kurds. Or previously to Iraq. It seems pain for a muslim oppression is only felt when the 'oppressor' is non muslim.

You have entirely no clue what happens in the middle east! saying muslims dont care killing muslims is absurd! protests? there have been many and many protests against conflict between shia and sunnis! but most media dont seem to care, and they only show a tape of an extremist leader saying he wants to wipe out the other division of muslims or saying there has been a bomb explosion in a "sunni" area in Iraq, while this area has a 50-50 percent of shia and sunnis living in it. Watch al-jazeera in english, it maybe anti-american or anti-european or just biased, but it does offer the arab view point. I usually watch CNN, BBC, Al-Jazeera and other channels to see different view points.

You have no perspective, all your views are one eyed, you only see a muslim point of view, we are members of the human race. Answer the questions i posed, reply to what i write in the post, if you will quote, not just what you want to say. Watch Al Jazeera?? seen it, its rubbish, it is unequivocally biased, it has only one view.
Just one question you answered with the wrong players, i said what of the Kurds, they are oppressed, murdered and tortured where are the suicide bombs against Turkey? Where are the demonstrations? If you quote me, answer what i ask please, or say i don't know.

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