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by **80-1169754111** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:52 am

Bad Bob wrote:
PacemakerAlonso wrote:No it's not, but that's your take on things, other fans should be allowed to express themselves in whatever manner they wish, providing they do not go crazy. Moores thought he'd be clever and mess DIC around (it would seem) and they pulled out, for which I do not blame them. I do not want an American, who has been bankcrupt once and borrows money to buy our club. It's a disgrace, DIC had their own money and were fans, so I must thank Moores for being what would seem far too stubborn.

Vital words right there. Given that we are all operating on about 2% of the necessary information required to develop a credible, informed opinion on this matter it would seem that this thread is dredging new depths of sh!te talk.

Why because you say it's garbage talk? Moores has turned down several offers for the club, I have trust in his decision making, but I have a right to question his decisions. To me it seems Moores is either being too stubborn/not compromising or he's finding it increasingly difficult to let go off the clubs assests. I'd imagine he has gotten used to his seat and doesn't want to give it up. After all he gets to watch his team play for free.

by **adamnbarrett** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:52 am

s@int wrote:As Adambarrett would say ,I am not angry just very disapointed.

bingo

I seem to be saying that a,ot at the moment

by **Rush Job** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:52 am

REDTILLDEAD wrote:Yes it is in view of the fact that this board has been dragging its heels for a while now, we missed the greatest opportunity this club will ever have after winning the CL where was moores when we needed to promote the club worldwide? the revenue he could have made on franchise? and merchandise?...very short sighted on that one was he not?..moores has had his day and failed to deliver (unless he delivers us into the hands of that damn yank) it could be the legacy that will haunt him..its time for him to move over and give the club to someone who really does have L.FC. at heart.

Agree but i fear that time has know gone.As i have said we need to get the new stadium started or it would leave us in a very bad finacial position. So now we have little choise but to take the money, you watch.

by **80-1169754111** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:55 am

s@int wrote:
PacemakerAlonso wrote:No it's not, but that's your take on things, other fans should be allowed to express themselves in whatever manner they wish, providing they do not go crazy. Moores thought he'd be clever and mess DIC around (it would seem) and they pulled out, for which I do not blame them. I do not want an American, who has been bankcrupt once and borrows money to buy our club. It's a disgrace, DIC had their own money and were fans, so I must thank Moores for being what would seem far too stubborn.

I agree with you Oasis, and as for the Arabs having no balls for the fight, it sometimes takes more balls to stand up for your principles and walk away than to get in a bidding war.

Rafa wont pay over the odds and gets praised, yet DIC get called for having some principles.

Exactly, Liverpool aren't worth the amount that Moores is asking, I'd make an offer for £150m for Liverpool and that would be it, it would cost millions to market the club and then you'd have to give Rafa a large budget for new players, players of a higher quality, not only that the stadium needs to be built.

Here's a question he own Littlewoods, how comes we were never sponsored by Littlewoods?

by **adamnbarrett** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:56 am

PacemakerAlonso wrote:
s@int wrote:
PacemakerAlonso wrote:No it's not, but that's your take on things, other fans should be allowed to express themselves in whatever manner they wish, providing they do not go crazy. Moores thought he'd be clever and mess DIC around (it would seem) and they pulled out, for which I do not blame them. I do not want an American, who has been bankcrupt once and borrows money to buy our club. It's a disgrace, DIC had their own money and were fans, so I must thank Moores for being what would seem far too stubborn.

I agree with you Oasis, and as for the Arabs having no balls for the fight, it sometimes takes more balls to stand up for your principles and walk away than to get in a bidding war.

Rafa wont pay over the odds and gets praised, yet DIC get called for having some principles.

Exactly, Liverpool aren't worth the amount that Moores is asking, I'd make an offer for £150m for Liverpool and that would be it, it would cost millions to market the club and then you'd have to give Rafa a large budget for new players, players of a higher quality, not only that the stadium needs to be built.

Here's a question he own Littlewoods, how comes we were never sponsored by Littlewoods?

because then we'd get the :censored:

taken out of us like Everton will be when Mr Tesco invests in them

by **Woollyback** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:56 am

The bottom line is that most of you Fuckwits on here know cock all about either DIC or George Gillett. And what little you know about those 2 parties is made to look enormous by the tip-of-the-iceberg details you know about the proposed business deal which has gone on behind thoroughly closed doors as we're not a plc

None of us on here (or the papers either) have a f*cking clue whether this is in the best interests of the club or not, the only people who know the definite answer to that question are David Moores & Rick Parry

So let's give the board the benefit of the doubt for a moment, after all they're the ones who KNOW THE FACTS

and whilst I'm on about it, it's George Gillett not George f*ckin GillettE so razor blades have f*ckk all to do with it

by **DZed** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:57 am

Oh by the way you can read up on him here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_N._Gillett%2C_Jr.

by **80-1169754111** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:58 am

adamnbarrett wrote:
PacemakerAlonso wrote:
s@int wrote:
PacemakerAlonso wrote:No it's not, but that's your take on things, other fans should be allowed to express themselves in whatever manner they wish, providing they do not go crazy. Moores thought he'd be clever and mess DIC around (it would seem) and they pulled out, for which I do not blame them. I do not want an American, who has been bankcrupt once and borrows money to buy our club. It's a disgrace, DIC had their own money and were fans, so I must thank Moores for being what would seem far too stubborn.

I agree with you Oasis, and as for the Arabs having no balls for the fight, it sometimes takes more balls to stand up for your principles and walk away than to get in a bidding war.

Rafa wont pay over the odds and gets praised, yet DIC get called for having some principles.

Exactly, Liverpool aren't worth the amount that Moores is asking, I'd make an offer for £150m for Liverpool and that would be it, it would cost millions to market the club and then you'd have to give Rafa a large budget for new players, players of a higher quality, not only that the stadium needs to be built.

Here's a question he own Littlewoods, how comes we were never sponsored by Littlewoods?

because then we'd get the taken out of us like Everton will be when Mr Tesco invests in them

Haven't you heard the song? Where the :censored:

, where the :censored:

are your Premiership titles?

by **heimdall** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:02 am

There is so much :censored:

being talked tonight, it is unreal. DIC pulling out of the deal can be for so many different reasons, we simply don't know yet.

I completely agree with Bad Bob that we need to calm down and wait to hear all the facts, personally I'm realieved I won't have to wear a shirt with DIC on it though

I have faith in the board, especially Parry, and it could well be that they pressured DIC on prupose to find out how comitted they were to the deal, obviously not too much.

I have faith that the board will make the right decision on the issue of funding and that the only way is up for LFC.

Come on guys have some faith, and don't you bloody dare protest when we are playing against the bitters or I'll be very :veryangry

by **Rush Job** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:03 am

Bamaga man wrote:
Fowler did nothing after we got £11m for him, thats an unbeleivable piece of business (not entirely Morres' doing though)

What I can read into that, is that was Ridsdale's stupity of throwing money away they never had.

But never the less, Moores will only do right by the club. And if DIC have pulled out, its them who lack the motivation, possibly finance and the desire to settle this IMO.

oh they have the money a :censored:

load but why should they get in to a biding war when they where already given D,M word,The deal was as good as signed untill Moores thought he could squise a few more quid, that much is about as clear as it gets.

by **Bad Bob** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:06 am

PacemakerAlonso wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
PacemakerAlonso wrote:No it's not, but that's your take on things, other fans should be allowed to express themselves in whatever manner they wish, providing they do not go crazy. Moores thought he'd be clever and mess DIC around (it would seem) and they pulled out, for which I do not blame them. I do not want an American, who has been bankcrupt once and borrows money to buy our club. It's a disgrace, DIC had their own money and were fans, so I must thank Moores for being what would seem far too stubborn.

Vital words right there. Given that we are all operating on about 2% of the necessary information required to develop a credible, informed opinion on this matter it would seem that this thread is dredging new depths of sh!te talk.

Why because you say it's garbage talk? Moores has turned down several offers for the club, I have trust in his decision making, but I have a right to question his decisions. To me it seems Moores is either being too stubborn/not compromising or he's finding it increasingly difficult to let go off the clubs assests. I'd imagine he has gotten used to his seat and doesn't want to give it up. After all he gets to watch his team play for free.

Again, I highlight the key words from your post: you imagine Moore's is being stubborn. Others imagine he's being greedy. Still others imagine he's being principled. Which is it? Who can say? My point is that we have nowhere near enough information to know anything with confidence. We're all just speculating wildly based on our biases about Moores, the Board, Yanks, Arabs or whatever.

After all, what are we basing all of these opinions on? Paper talk is what. And the paper's are contradictory. Take the below article from the Echo tonight (I've highlighted the key bits). In one breath it implies that Moores and the board are being greedy gets. In the next, it implies that DIC were dicking us about and Moores got fed up. So what are we to believe?

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LFC: we're taking US buy-out bid seriously

Jan 31 2007

EXCLUSIVE by David Prentice, Liverpool Echo

Sports tycoon George Gillett Jnr

LIVERPOOL FC today confirmed that American businessman George Gillett is a serious rival to Dubai International Capital's bid for control of the club.

The US sports tycoon has astonished Anfield officials by completing his due diligence procedure in three days.

By confirming that a shared stadium with Everton has never been on his agenda, by agreeing to personally underwrite the new stadium funding, and by making a firm commitment to investing in future transfers, he has now moved alongside DIC as a realistic future owner.

Up until 48 hours ago, chairman David Moores was focused solely on a takeover by DIC, the investment arm of the Makhtoum family.

But he has come under increasing pressure from minor shareholders to think about the American's proposals, which are worth £500 a share more than DIC's.

Moores would net £8m more from the American's offer, but sources at Anfield say the Reds chairman only wants to make the best decision for the club.

It is the speed and decisive nature of the American's proposals which have caused him to think again.

DIC took more than a month to complete their due diligence procedure, and even now no formal offer has been made.

Reds officials were hoping to vote on the DIC proposals at a board meeting in London last night before the match at West Ham, but the documentation was still not in place.

It was this latest hitch which convinced Moores to reconsider.

Building work on the new stadium is due to start in March, so a decision is imminent.

Moores is carefully considering both offers, but is expected to make a decision by the end of the week.

davidprentice@liverpoolecho.co.uk

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Now, this really is my last word on this subject as there's no substantive debate to be had here short of hard facts, which won't come until tomorrow at the earliest. Night all.
:cool:

by **112-1077774096** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:09 am

haha so i wake up to find everybody arguing.

anyway my take in this for what its worth.

i doubt very much that DIC where getting their information about the takeover from the press like we have to. i am also certain that moores has told DIC that they are the preffrred choice and i am certain that recently parry said the deal was nearly done. (even though we knew about gillets re interest)

now my understanding is that during the due dilligence stage it appears the club may not be worth what it was believed we were worth and DIC have every right to say this, at the end of the day its their money, and they have every right to tell the liverpool shareholder that their offer is reduced.

now for the board to refuse this (which they every right to do) has caused DIC to withdraw an left the sheik unsurprisingly angy.

so now what? gillet will come in and look at the books, he will find exactly the same tings that DIC have found and make a reduced offer. the board will be left with nowere to turn and have to accept this offer of carry on with what we have now. if we HAVE top sell to gillet then dont be surprised if we get a shared stadium, he can promise moores all he likes that we wont share but once moores is gone the only block will be us, the supporters.

my message to david moores is if you are arguing over 8 million quid when yo are about to get 80 million quid then i have to believe you dont have the clubs best interests at heart any more. you have cut your nose off to spite your face here mate and have left us with no bargaining tool.

i appreciate that you were probably using gillet to make DIC up their offer, but who are you going to use now to make Gillet up his offer

by **66-1112520797** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:13 am

and whilst I'm on about it, it's George Gillett not George f*ckin GillettE so razor blades have f*ckk all to do with it

oh they have the money a load but why should they get in to a biding war when they where already given D,M word,The deal was as good as signed untill Moores thought he could squise a few more quid, that much is about as clear as it gets

TBH I dont know, but thats business it seems. And TBH I'm not the only one who doesnt know, everyone on these boards right now doesnt know.

So it seems pretty pointless jumping to conclusions. I myself included.

by **skatesy** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:24 am

This sucks for one reason to me.

I am from Canada and I live in Canada. I am a big hockey fan as well, and if there is any team that I hate it is the Montreal Canadiens. So to have the owner of the Montreal Canadiens buy out my favourite football team, Liverpool - this absolutely sucks

by **Rush Job** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:24 am

peewee wrote:haha so i wake up to find everybody arguing.

anyway my take in this for what its worth.

i doubt very much that DIC where getting their information about the takeover from the press like we have to. i am also certain that moores has told DIC that they are the preffrred choice and i am certain that recently parry said the deal was nearly done. (even though we knew about gillets re interest)

now my understanding is that during the due dilligence stage it appears the club may not be worth what it was believed we were worth and DIC have every right to say this, at the end of the day its their money, and they have every right to tell the liverpool shareholder that their offer is reduced.

now for the board to refuse this (which they every right to do) has caused DIC to withdraw an left the sheik unsurprisingly angy.

so now what? gillet will come in and look at the books, he will find exactly the same tings that DIC have found and make a reduced offer. the board will be left with nowere to turn and have to accept this offer of carry on with what we have now. if we HAVE top sell to gillet then dont be surprised if we get a shared stadium, he can promise moores all he likes that we wont share but once moores is gone the only block will be us, the supporters.

my message to david moores is if you are arguing over 8 million quid when yo are about to get 80 million quid then i have to believe you dont have the clubs best interests at heart any more. you have cut your nose off to spite your face here mate and have left us with no bargaining tool.

i appreciate that you were probably using gillet to make DIC up their offer, but who are you going to use now to make Gillet up his offer

Spot on peewee, to much feckin about as cost us all, well apart from the board.

Still waiting Boby boy.

Redtildead agree with most of what you say, dont understand why your havin a go at me, but if youve a problem bring it on, but i worn you im not in the best of moods with all this shat.

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