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by **Billy_5_Times** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 8:45 pm

Rafa Benitez is no Paisley or Shanks. Shanks went to Scotland to bring Yeats and St John 2 of better players throughout the 60s. And Bob went to Chester and to Celtic to buy our greatest forwards and cost him less than 1 million. Not like Rafa who goes and spends over 12 million for Garcia and Morientes, what a joke.

by **anti-hero** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 8:52 pm

Billy_5_Times wrote:Rafa Benitez is no Paisley or Shanks. Shanks went to Scotland to bring Yeats and St John 2 of better players throughout the 60s. And Bob went to Chester and to Celtic to buy our greatest forwards and cost him less than 1 million. Not like Rafa who goes and spends over 12 million for Garcia and Morientes, what a joke.

Again Billy, its hit and miss for Rafa. Its been done to death here anyways so I wont go into detail.

Besides, the transfer market now is nowhere like the transfer market of past years.

If Ian St John were playing right now I'd doubt he'd cost us a million dollars.

by **Bad Bob** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 9:00 pm

Billy_5_Times wrote:Rafa Benitez is no Paisley or Shanks. Shanks went to Scotland to bring Yeats and St John 2 of better players throughout the 60s. And Bob went to Chester and to Celtic to buy our greatest forwards and cost him less than 1 million. Not like Rafa who goes and spends over 12 million for Garcia and Morientes, what a joke.

FFS!

First of all, why no mention of Alonso or Reina or Sissoko when discussing Rafa's transfer record compared to Shankley's or Paisley's? Let's be fair about this!

Second, were it not for Luis Garcia we would not have won a 5th European Cup in May '05 and we may not have won the FA Cup in May '06. Irritating he may be at times but he has been a huge part of our not insignificant success in the last two years!

And don't get me started about transfer fees in Paisley's day vs today...apples and feckin' oranges! :no

by **JamesDean** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 9:14 pm

Like all managers he has his good and bad points, the good do outway the bad, European Cup and Fa cup over a few bad signings, I just wonder what he would have done with the 101 Million that Houllier got.

by **Kev Huyton 2006** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 9:16 pm

Rafa is indeed a clever man, and listens to the fans seemingly with Cisse and Moreintes shown the door. He buys cheap, strong, up and coming young players. Whether he can win the league this way remains still to be seen.

Genius is way over the top.

In order for him to be classed as such, he has to make LFC as dominant a force as in the 1980's.

You can only call yourself a genius when you have won multiple league titles consistently, or the european cup more than once, and in succession.

The name Bob paisley comes to mind.....................
:bowdown

by **Bad Bob** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 9:22 pm

Kev Huyton 2006 wrote:You can only call yourself a genius when you have won multiple league titles consistently...

Unless you've got a Russian sugar-daddy bankrolling things--then you're just a w.anker with a good CV!

by **Billy_5_Times** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 9:35 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
Billy_5_Times wrote:Rafa Benitez is no Paisley or Shanks. Shanks went to Scotland to bring Yeats and St John 2 of better players throughout the 60s. And Bob went to Chester and to Celtic to buy our greatest forwards and cost him less than 1 million. Not like Rafa who goes and spends over 12 million for Garcia and Morientes, what a joke.

FFS!

First of all, why no mention of Alonso or Reina or Sissoko when discussing Rafa's transfer record compared to Shankley's or Paisley's? Let's be fair about this!

Second, were it not for Luis Garcia we would not have won a 5th European Cup in May '05 and we may not have won the FA Cup in May '06. Irritating he may be at times but he has been a huge part of our not insignificant success in the last two years!

And don't get me started about transfer fees in Paisley's day vs today...apples and feckin' oranges!

Ok Reina, Xabi and Momo. 3.

Souness, Barney Rubble (Alan Kennedy to you non Liverpool fans, like BadBob), Jocky Hansen (Alan), Lawro (Mark Lawrenson), Original Zico (Phil Neal), Ray Kennedy, Terry Mc and our clown between the sticks (Bruce G.)

I can count on one finger Bob's bad signing. Actually I'm struggling to find one.

Where as Rafa has made countless bad buys. Zenden, Kromkamp, Garcia (despite his goals) Morientes, Nunez, Pelligrino, Josemi, and Barragan. I have now ran out of fingers and am left with 2 thumbs.

by **woof woof !** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:11 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:Paisley had a title-winning team when he came to the helm and made it better, which is easier in many respects than starting from an also-ran/2nd Division position.

Not strictly true Lando , all managers will tell you "getting to the top is hard, Staying there is even harder ".

by **Bad Bob** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:52 am

Billy_5_Times wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
Billy_5_Times wrote:Rafa Benitez is no Paisley or Shanks. Shanks went to Scotland to bring Yeats and St John 2 of better players throughout the 60s. And Bob went to Chester and to Celtic to buy our greatest forwards and cost him less than 1 million. Not like Rafa who goes and spends over 12 million for Garcia and Morientes, what a joke.

FFS!

First of all, why no mention of Alonso or Reina or Sissoko when discussing Rafa's transfer record compared to Shankley's or Paisley's? Let's be fair about this!

Second, were it not for Luis Garcia we would not have won a 5th European Cup in May '05 and we may not have won the FA Cup in May '06. Irritating he may be at times but he has been a huge part of our not insignificant success in the last two years!

And don't get me started about transfer fees in Paisley's day vs today...apples and feckin' oranges!

Ok Reina, Xabi and Momo. 3.

Souness, Barney Rubble (Alan Kennedy to you non Liverpool fans), Jocky Hansen (Alan), Lawro (Mark Lawrenson), Original Zico (Phil Neal), Ray Kennedy, Terry Mc and our clown between the sticks (Bruce G.)

I can count on one finger Bob's bad signing. Actually I'm struggling to find one.

Where as Rafa has made countless bad buys. Zenden, Kromkamp, Garcia (despite his goals) Morientes, Nunez, Pelligrino, Josemi, and Barragan. I have now ran out of fingers and am left with 2 thumbs.

Alright lad, time to put your Dad's classic Liverpool DVDs away and start paying attention to the current side. Who knows...if you watch them play you might actually appreciate what the likes of Garcia, Zenden or Kewell bring to the side?

by **Dundalk** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:03 am

I cant believe this topic hasnt been closed yet!

Silly arguement the man is what we were looking for. End off!

Will the author of this topic think back to where we were before he came and then imagin even thinking of writing a stupid topic like this.

Behave yourself will you. :veryangry

by **Billy_5_Times** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:20 am

Bad Bob wrote:
Billy_5_Times wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:You know, kid,you're actually right about this one (had to happen sometime ). Kewell was in 'the hole' that game, just behind Baros, with Riise on the left, Alonso and Gerrard in the middle and Garcia on the right. I stand corrected. Cafu was Riise's problem to deal with. Kewell was supposed to support Baros by linking with the midfield.

I think I will print this post and frame it. Bad Bob saying I was right and HE was wrong.

See BadBob I'm not stupid. I just have different views on certain things.

Let's not get carried away, lad. You still thought Paco H. and Pako A. were the same person and the threads you start are utter bollox. You're improving though.

Thanks Bob, I am so grateful you think so.

by **Billy_5_Times** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:22 am

anti-hero wrote:
Billy_5_Times wrote:Rafa Benitez is no Paisley or Shanks. Shanks went to Scotland to bring Yeats and St John 2 of better players throughout the 60s. And Bob went to Chester and to Celtic to buy our greatest forwards and cost him less than 1 million. Not like Rafa who goes and spends over 12 million for Garcia and Morientes, what a joke.

Again Billy, its hit and miss for Rafa. Its been done to death here anyways so I wont go into detail.

Besides, the transfer market now is nowhere like the transfer market of past years.

If Ian St John were playing right now I'd doubt he'd cost us a million dollars.

In the first place St John didn't cost us millions in the first place and if he was playing now he would be a definate started in that 11 with Fowler

by **Dundalk** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:25 am

My God

by **Billy_5_Times** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:26 am

Bad Bob wrote:
Billy_5_Times wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
Billy_5_Times wrote:Rafa Benitez is no Paisley or Shanks. Shanks went to Scotland to bring Yeats and St John 2 of better players throughout the 60s. And Bob went to Chester and to Celtic to buy our greatest forwards and cost him less than 1 million. Not like Rafa who goes and spends over 12 million for Garcia and Morientes, what a joke.

FFS!

First of all, why no mention of Alonso or Reina or Sissoko when discussing Rafa's transfer record compared to Shankley's or Paisley's? Let's be fair about this!

Second, were it not for Luis Garcia we would not have won a 5th European Cup in May '05 and we may not have won the FA Cup in May '06. Irritating he may be at times but he has been a huge part of our not insignificant success in the last two years!

And don't get me started about transfer fees in Paisley's day vs today...apples and feckin' oranges!

Ok Reina, Xabi and Momo. 3.

Souness, Barney Rubble (Alan Kennedy to you non Liverpool fans), Jocky Hansen (Alan), Lawro (Mark Lawrenson), Original Zico (Phil Neal), Ray Kennedy, Terry Mc and our clown between the sticks (Bruce G.)

I can count on one finger Bob's bad signing. Actually I'm struggling to find one.

Where as Rafa has made countless bad buys. Zenden, Kromkamp, Garcia (despite his goals) Morientes, Nunez, Pelligrino, Josemi, and Barragan. I have now ran out of fingers and am left with 2 thumbs.

Alright lad, time to put your Dad's classic Liverpool DVDs away and start paying attention to the current side. Who knows...if you watch them play you might actually appreciate what the likes of Garcia, Zenden or Kewell bring to the side?

Explain to me when is Zenden going to play this year.
Explain to me when was Kewell going to play last year had it not been for Zenden's injury.
Explain to me other than goals what does Garcia bring to the side.

And BTW Bob i don't need my dad's DVDs to know about my club's past. I was brought up to know without books unlike you who seems to need a book just to say Hello.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:38 am

0asis wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
0asis wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:Without being funny, to hear some people on here you'd think Paisley and Shankly never lost a game, never made a signing that wasn't a success, and won all their trophies within their first 2 years.

Toe to toe, Rafa is easily up there with both of our greatest managers, and is doing a similar job to Shanks, in as much as he's resurrecting a sleeping giant.

Paisley had a title-winning team when he came to the helm and made it better, which is easier in many respects than starting from an also-ran/2nd Division position.

Shanks had to work harder, IMHO, and laid all the foundations.

Pretty much as Rafa is doing now.

You're getting far too carried away, let Rafa complete his ten year spell with us, then compare him to Shanks and Paisley.

Are you actually a Liverpool fan? DO you want success?

If you look at their records for their first 2 years, I'm sure Rafa's will match Paisley's and definately better SHankly's. (Obviously Shanks started out in Div 2, but even so.)

And do not forget that neither SHanks nor Bob had a money-bags team blocking their path to title success.

Rafa's trophy count in 2 years in charge:

European Cup, European Super Cup and FA Cup.

Shanks:

Remained in Div 2 until 1961-62, when he won the 2nd DIv Championship. Ergo nothing in the first 2 years.

Bob: 2 Titles, Uefa Cup and Euopean Cup.

Can anyone seriously argue that Rafa's record doesn't stand up to his illustious predecessors?

I'm not saying he'll be as successful. I'm not saying he's better. All I'm saying is you can't say he's worse.

Now rejoice that we have the best manager in the World at the helm of our club.

And stop talking sh*t.

What has me being a Liverpool fan and wanting success got to do with with Rafa being a legend like Shanks and Bob? Rafa's record is great don't get me wrong but you I think it's rather early to be comparing Rafa to past legends. I didn't realise ppl's views that were different from your's where s.hit you up your own a.rse p.rick.

Are you THAT thick?

Can't you read, you f*cking spanner?

Did I not say "I'm not saying he'll be as successful. I'm not saying he's better. All I'm saying is you can't say he's worse."?

Does this not mean, by it's very definition, that you can't say he's inferior?

Get a f*cking college prospectus and enroll on an English Course, you f*cking tw*t.

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