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by **The_Rock** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:36 am

Torres won't be an improvement over morientes.....if we are gonna sign a spanish striker, it should be DAVID VILLA.

by **tel** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:30 am

Torres is the most talented Spanish born striker in the Spanish league for the past 3 seasons. Villa is having a great year, but he is out of reach having just joined Valencia this season and they wont be selling him.

Atletico on the other hand need the money. They wont sell him to anyone else in Spain, so its England or Italy. Spanish players are always wary of Italy, not may of them have done well over there, so if he's available, its likely to be to these shores.

What we can be sure of is that because of Rafa and our Spanish players, our club will always be the first English team any talented Spanish player will want to join before Chelsea and MU. I'd even go so far to say that this extends beyond the Spanish league, and we may have the same leg up with the Latin American leagues. I know one of the Paco assistants has a fantastic network there as well.

Its a good position to be in, even if we dont have the bank account of the Russian mafia.

Is Torres worth 15m? Yes he is. He is quicker with the ball at his feet than Mori, and he scores a lot of goals with headers. He is well suited to our league. When Rafa makes it known that he wants 30-40m in the summer to compete with Chelsea, its players like Torres and Joaquin he has in mind

by **red_guy** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 6:47 am

Torres worth 15m? maybe...anyway, i just dont think we can get him for 15m or less. If we are interested and they knew that we're interested, the price will go up immediately. Yes, Villa is beyond our reach, for now but so is torres. I just dont want us to buy cisse number 2.

by **redsince2001** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:28 am

The Specialist wrote:
redsince2001 wrote:solution 2: It's highly unlikely that Torres will play in spain ...that'll annoy and disgust the supporters of his current club(socieded).

Personally, I think most of the people on here who are gung-ho about signing Torres are basing their opinion of him on reputation and hype. I'm wondering how many times you have actually seen Torres play, if you don't even know what club he plays for. People who know what they're talking about don't make silly mistakes such as this.

I think he's a good player and all (A great finisher he isn't), but he's a very unrealistic transfer target. TheAce has already touched on some reasons why.

i knew his club's name had a link to real madrid in it
.....Real Sociedad - Athlethico Madrid get it?

Anyway who the hell cares as long the player's quality?I'm sure Torres playing 4 Athletico or Socieded isn't going to make any diff so far as the deal is concerned.

I'm sort of a one club guy u see...unlike some in here.

by **redsince2001** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:38 am

The Ace1983 wrote:
redsince2001 wrote:
The Ace1983 wrote:Yes, it would be nice but several problems present themselves.

Problem 1: Ca$h. These days, when it come to money it has to be said that what Roman wants, Roman gets. If Torres does leave the club he loves, it will be for the club that is willing to through the most money his way. And we don't have the purse for it.

Problem 2: It's not just Arsenal and Chelsea. Inter, Milan, Barcelona and even Real Madrid are all apparently interested. He may not even want to come to England.

Problem 3: He may do a Nando and have problems finding his feet in the Prem. Not a problem for £6.5m and it is a risk one takes when buying any striker. But when that striker costs £25m, it's hard to take. We need a sure thing.

It would be great, but I can't see it happening.

solution 1: If rafa thinks that he is the rt man 4 the job and is convinced that he'll passionately play 4 LFC then he'll spend the money needed ,even if it's 20m.

solution 2: It's highly unlikely that Torres will play in spain ...that'll annoy and disgust the supporters of his current club(socieded). same as st michel playing against us.So if he's leaving he'll leave spain.

solution 3:It's better to buy a world class goalscorer than two experienced (read old)players for 10m each.And my friend nothings sure just ask Newcastle.

problem with solution 1: In an ideal world, yes, Rafa could just brake the bank and he'd come. But this is not an ideal world, and if we go all the way to the top of our budget and offer £30m, Chelsea will just offer £35m.

problem with solution 2: First thing's first, Torres plays for and captains Athletico Madrid. And did Figo care when he switched from Barca to Real? Of course not. He didn't care what the fans thought, as he believed it was the right move for him and the right money. That's like saying Rio, or Alan Smith would never go to Man Utd having played for Leeds, or Andy Cole playing for City having left Man Utd, or Sol Campbell going from Spurs to Arsenal. When most players move clubs, fans don't matter.

problem with solution 3: Okay, there is no such thing as a dead cert, but bookies give out odds for a reason. In a league where you can't lose more than 3 games a season to be champions, the more certainty, the better, and a player with premmiership experience is far more likely to make an easy transition.

solution to problem with solution 1:If rafa can make Torres realize that Anfield is the place to be if he wants to play in the EPL then he'll ask his club to only listen to offers from Liverpool and the question of Chelsea bidding doesn't arise.

solution to problem with solution 2:If Torres is anything like Figo then i wudnt want him. Figo is the sort of player without any loyalty to the club he plays for and thus a player who's unlikely to give his all everytime he plays for us.As someoone mentioned here Athletico and Real hate each other and Barcelona are going for Henry .

solution to problem with solution 3: this problem's :censored:

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by **tel** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:41 am

red_guy wrote:Torres worth 15m? maybe...anyway, i just dont think we can get him for 15m or less. If we are interested and they knew that we're interested, the price will go up immediately. Yes, Villa is beyond our reach, for now but so is torres. I just dont want us to buy cisse number 2.

So if you had 15m in your pocket to buy a striker, who would you buy then?

by **48-1119859832** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:54 am

Thanks but no thanks. As much as I want a so called "world class striker" just like other supporters, I don't want to see us paying silly money for a striker who might not hack it in English football & as Ace said earlier a £6.5mill flop isn't too bad but a £20mill one certainly is, you can get a few strikers who are just as good and if not better than Torres for far less.

Football is not championship manager. I would suggest Graig Bellamy as I've always liked him but I didn't think I'd say anything coz I'd get shot to pieces but I've now foolishly said something...so I wait.... :laugh:

by **redsince2001** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:56 am

Do u really need 2 ask that question? It's obvious that red>guy wnats bak MO>

by **48-1119859832** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:58 am

And what's wrong with that? I'd happily take Owen back if he hadn't shat on us twice. And perhaps he's just what we need in our team. He's prolific when he's not injured. And I saw a few games where him and Nando partnered each other up front and they were very impressive to say the very least.

by **redsince2001** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:03 am

What would u call Owen this year then? A profound success at Newcastle?U just admitted that we wont except a 20m flop . Newcastle payed 17m for him and look what they got ..not even 10 goals , even cisse has more than that.

There's no reason why Torres shouldn't be able to cut it here.

by **48-1119859832** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:10 am

Owen has been injured for most of the season & I'm pretty sure he would of scored a hell of a lot more goals than Cisse as you so plainly put it. Owen wouldn't be a flop because he's played in the Premiership for pretty much his whole career bar one season. He knows what it takes to cut it in the league. He's a proven goalscorer in the league as well.

The key words there being "Newcastle paid £17mill for Owen". It's a not the players fault that he was bought for way over the odds is it? Newcastle have bad business sense and they were ripped off. And Liverpool refused to pay that kinda money, so if we refuse to pay £17mill for a proven striker on all stages & especially in THE ENGLISH PREMIERSHIP then I can't see us paying silly amounts La Liga strikers like Fernando Torres.

Yes, you're correct there's no reason why Torres can't cut it here but look at Morientes, people said that about him...and look...hasn't set the league alight has he?

by **redsince2001** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:16 am

what makes u so certain that mickey wont get injured again all season next year ?? pls dont divert this to another little mickey thread , havnt u had enough of that already? Rafa will pay wat a player's worth and wat he thinks he can reasonably get him for... we were unwilling to pay more for owen because we had sold him 4 8m ..that's the only reason why. Now. since many big clubs are interested in Torres Rafa will dish out 15m-20m for him if it needs be and he wants it to be.

by **tel** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:32 am

0asis wrote:Owen has been injured for most of the season & I'm pretty sure he would of scored a hell of a lot more goals than Cisse as you so plainly put it. Owen wouldn't be a flop because he's played in the Premiership for pretty much his whole career bar one season. He knows what it takes to cut it in the league. He's a proven goalscorer in the league as well.

The key words there being "Newcastle paid £17mill for Owen". It's a not the players fault that he was bought for way over the odds is it? Newcastle have bad business sense and they were ripped off. And Liverpool refused to pay that kinda money, so if we refuse to pay £17mill for a proven striker on all stages & especially in THE ENGLISH PREMIERSHIP then I can't see us paying silly amounts La Liga strikers like Fernando Torres.

Yes, you're correct there's no reason why Torres can't cut it here but look at Morientes, people said that about him...and look...hasn't set the league alight has he?

It is the players fault Newcastle paid 17m. If he had said no, Real Madrid would have been forced to give him to us for 10m.

He is on a higher pay packet at Newcastle than he was at both RM and us.

He went for the money. Erickson said it himself.

by **Effes** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:42 am

And I've heard a strong rumour that he (Owen) is coming back in the Summer.

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 9:02 am

I think if Owen has a decent World Cup there's a good chance he'll return. I don't think he's going to be happy with playing in a mediocre Newcastle team for another season, we can offer him the football he wants and he can offer us the goals we need to suceed. A fair solution IMO

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