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There's an issue I'd like to discuss, and for some reason, I'd love to read your insight about it here, first.

We have passed from the


We don't need no education
We don't need no thought controol.
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teacher leave those kids alone
Hey teacher!, leave those kids alone
All in all you're just a another brick in the wall


To the


We don't need no little dictators
we don't need little basts
No bully fathers, hitting teachers
Children leave those teachers alone
Hey Children, leave those teachers alone
All in all you're just a another future


Well, I know the latter song is not good, but I'm not Pink FLoyd neither, you get the idea, don't you?

There's been a case that has annoyed me a lot. A teacher of Navarra was in the playground of the school and saw a girl that didn't want to enter the classroom. After commanding her to do so, she rejected twice, even mocked the teacher. The teacher got her from the elbow and pulled her to classroom, while she started to cry , shout and insult.

The day after that, the father of the girl came, and punched the teacher. The teacher then asked the girl to be expelled from the school, but that didn't happen. Now the court of justice has fined the father of the girl with 180€.

Are 180 bloody euros worth of being insulted, and punched, No!, me thinks.

IMHO the times that Pink Floyd described were not good, needless to say, too much authority, too much cruelty to children.

But some so called experts have decided that the kids must not be bothered at all, and I think this overprotection is creating real in the future. In my times, we went with no money at all to school, we didn't bloody need money. Nowadays kids do what they want, pay the coke in the little shop of my dad with 50 € bills, and are granted everything they ask for.

I think we need to get a grip about this, or we might lose control of the situation, if we haven't lost it already.

I have to say that I think the situation is almost beyond remedy now. Children have no respect for anything or anyone because they have no fear of punishment any more. They know that nobody can touch them. It's like liberalism gone mad. In our local primary school a boy of about 10 or 11 threw a chair at his teacher. What was his punishment? He was suspended for a week. What sort of punishment is that?? A week off school?? That's a holiday, not a punishment!

Here, parents are no longer allowed even to slap their children. I know parents whose children blackmail them, threatening to accuse them of abuse if they don't get what they want. And children are no longer brought up to respect anyone at all or to have any sort of good manners. Most of them are spoilt rotten.

I think parents were brainwashed by modern childcare philosophy to think that any kind of authority or restriction would damage their child's development, and the pendulum just swung too far in the wrong direction.

The other part of the problem is -- and I know this is really politically incorrect, but I sincerely believe it -- that in most families both parents work outside the home. Mothers in particular feel an enormous amount of guilt at leaving their kids to be brought up by others, and this guilt leads them to be too lenient with their children, to try to give them everything they demand, and to overlook all their bad behaviour. So when kids cause trouble at school, it's easier for the parents to blame the teachers, and even to attack them, than to face the fact that the root of the problem lies at home, in the way they've been bringing up their chidren.

I think that nowadays being a teacher must be the hardest job there is! And they don't get nearly enough money for the they have to put up with! I feel really sorry for the poor !

Where do i start............growing up i hated my Father,he would not think twice about raising his hand or taking his belt off.I was a middle child and i suppose it was a classic case of 2nd child syndrome.I always thought my brother got favoured because he was the oldest and my sister got favoured because she was the youngest and the only girl.

At school you also had teachers who would bully and many times i have seen people get canned or hit with a slipper and i remember my mate Steve getting twátted on the head with a board rubber thrown from 20 feet away by our maths teacher.
In the early to mid 80's canning and that kind of physical discipline was banned and although i dont believe in the kind of punishment my father and teachers give out i can honestly say i grew up respecting my elders.Its only years later when you get married and have your own children you realise that the kind of discipline handed out in the 1970's although way over the top in many ways had the right effect.

In years gone by Sports were something enjoyed by many after school,and virtually every night i was out with mates playing football.The problem now is many schools dont do team sports anymore because school fields etc are reclaimed by the government to build on and with the age of the video game more and more children never go out or indeed take part in team games.

I firmly believe that every 16 yr old should serve in the army for two years until 18,because discipline although to the extreme in my childhood is something that is needed to put the "Great" back into Great Brition.

Sabre wrote:Some great posts around here, I'll pick drummerphil's but I could pick any other.

Where do i start............growing up i hated my Father,he would not think twice about raising his hand or taking his belt off.I was a middle child and i suppose it was a classic case of 2nd child syndrome.I always thought my brother got favoured because he was the oldest and my sister got favoured because she was the youngest and the only girl.

It seems that England is simply 10 years forward comparing to Spain, your seventies are our eighties.

My dad also is quite strict, but I respect and love him. He used his belt sometimes too, but the leather part. I won't use that tactic when I'm dad, but I'd never consider saying my dad is aggressive. He used it only  when I really screwed it up, I deserved more.

He was not that strict like asking utter manners while dinner, but there were rules, if I didn't eat the lettuce, I didn't eat the dessert. I wasn't given everything I asked. When he was shouting at me, he asked me to look at his eyes and not to the ground and things like that. Nothing like that is done by nowadays fathers, that send their sons to school and receive them at 22.00h to send them to bed. They wouldn't care.

My dad was born after the civil war. Hunger times in Spain, as Spain picked the wrong friends in the WWII (Although we did not officially enter it). My dad wouldn't understand I'd say I don't want to eat vegetables, and always reminded me hunger times. We had plenty of money, but he's always been very humble because of that youth.

At school you also had teachers who would bully and many times i have seen people get canned or hit with a slipper and i remember my mate Steve getting twátted on the head with a board rubber thrown from 20 feet away by our maths teacher.
In the early to mid 80's canning and that kind of physical discipline was banned and although i dont believe in the kind of punishment my father and teachers give out i can honestly say i grew up respecting my elders.Its only years later when you get married and have your own children you realise that the kind of discipline handed out in the 1970's although way over the top in many ways had the right effect.

Same here, I went to a priests' school. I was given with the board cleaner (the wooden part), smacks, and things like that. Nowadays though if a teacher do that, he's nearly sent to prison, in the mean time, our youngsters are becoming little gangsters addicted to cocaine and speed, I guess that's much better for the politically correct brigade.

In years gone by Sports were something enjoyed by many after school,and virtually every night i was out with mates playing football.The problem now is many schools dont do team sports anymore because school fields etc are reclaimed by the government to build on and with the age of the video game more and more children never go out or indeed take part in team games.

When we were children, we had our knees full of little injuries, due to we played football in street. We had to fix our trousers with patches, as we gave our best as keepers in the hard cement. Now you won't see that, they'll be playing with the last handheld console. That's a mistake.

I firmly believe that every 16 yr old should serve in the army for two years until 18,because discipline although to the extreme in my childhood is something that is needed to put the "Great" back into Great Brition.

I disagree, My father says that all the time "in military you'll make a man", but IMHO the main part of your education was given by your father, not military.

Really good post Drummerphil.

In a nutshell, I was a little bástard when I was a child, but I knew that if I did it, I payed it. I know consider my self a decent person, and I owe that to education.

I had some fights to win respect in playground (children matters), but I knew that if my father knew it, I had belt as punnishment. Nowadays fathers will defend their sons stupidly. You cannot learn to be responsible that way. I learnt that I could be a bást sometimes, but there was some risk, so you considered things.