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7_Kewell wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

7_Kewell wrote:

stu_the_red wrote:Yes clearly the pattern is to much for you to grasp.

You're arguement is that no-one else rates him. Mine is I rate him and i have the balls to go against the majority where as people like yourself, who can't judge a player, go with the majority.

Its highly amusing when people like you question my judgment on a player when all you do, is base your opinions on other peoples rather than what you actually see.

The point is, you've spent the last half an hour telling me how no-one rates Fowler? I've spend the last half an hour waiting for you to come up with reasons why you don't, yet all you can say is "because no-one else does". That says it all about you're knowledge of the game. You rate players like Carragher as "world class" Which i am quoting... JAMIE CARRAGHER "WORLD CLASS" because the crowd go with it, yet i bet 6 years ago, you wouldn't have complained if he was dropped. The slagging off he used to get and the times i defended him from idiots like you, crowd followers, people without there own opinions, now look at you all.

The fact is, my opinion of hims stayed the same all along because i was right in my judgement, yours changes more times than you change your boxies because you were wrong.

Lad, my points clear, back up YOUR opinions, or don't you have any?

Stu.......you're a funny guy, you really are!  let's see...ok right, back to the Carra arguement....seems you've missed the point (again) there.

You argued that players were born great and not moulded....my POINT was Carra started off as a squad player for us and now, 6 years later, he's WORLD CLASS......you understand that?  if not, re-read it and try again, it will answer your question...it says that he started off average/good and now is WORLD CLASS after being moulded with good training.  Get it yet?  good.

Reasons i don't rate Fowler anymore....well, i've said it a few times, but what the hell, lets say it a few more!  He can't get a contract at city or anywhere else......you get that?  He's a footballer who can't get a contract, ANYWHERE....now call me funny, but when noone offers a player a contract, it means that they (paid football manager) don't rate him....now how can this be?  They are experts who have scouts and stuff?!!?  i gues it's because they know, as i do, that Fowler is past it.

so now we boil down to the basic point....you think you're right and refuse to back down....why?  because you're an egotistical moron who thinks he knows it all, fact is you know jack!  Thanks for the entertainment, it's been fun, i'm off to bed!

So you can't give an actual reason for not rating him, other than a few sh*t managers don't?

Good reasoning, chump. 


These are the facts:
Fowler is a player who needs a constant run in the team to see the best of him. He is only the best when allowed to gain sharpness.

JC always had the ability he has got now, it's just that, as Stu said, he is playing in a system which highlights his strengths, and hides his few weaknesses.


I take it that in your little world, the same rules cannot apply to Fowler as he's a striker?


Make the world a better place lad, and grow up.

Lando, you seem unable to understand that Fowler has had plenty of runs in the Man city team, he's not the same player he was.  Hurling abuse doens't prove yourpoint any further.
in regards to Carra, i think he's improved plenty since he first joined the senior ranks of Liverpool.  He's more aware, he passing is better....he's improved as a player and if you think thats untrue, then you're the chump not me.

stu_the_red wrote:

Ola Mr Benitez wrote:

Ace Ventura wrote:He was leathered but thats what he was saying.

And that my friends is one of Robbies problems..  A player in his 30's shouldn't be gettingleathered as they need to work twice as hard as everyone else to keep up with the frightening pace of the premieship..

Didi Hamann's smoked 20 a day for the last 10 years, whats your point? Vialli, I'll reapeat that, Gianluca Vialli, i don't know if you're old enough to remember him admitted smoking 40 a day throughout most of his career.

stu_the_red wrote:

7_Kewell wrote:

stu_the_red wrote:

7_Kewell wrote: Stu seems to think its all to do with Man City's system, but the Fowler of old would have been knocking in 30 goals a season in any team, regardless.

I think its all down to City's system?



Putting words in my mouth.

And yes, of course he'd score 30 goals in any team. Systems and tactics mean nothing in football do they. Look at Dwight Yorke for gods sake, a very good player at Villa, goes to the mancs and bangs 30 goals in.

Systems and tactics matter a great deal. Look at Sutton at Blackburn, 20 goals, a league winner, look at him at Chelsea, 1 goal in 20.

Don't sit there and say systems and tactics mean nothing. You don't even watch Fowler, why have an opinion on something you know nothing about?

You're a grade "A" arsewhole lad. You don't have clue and your arguement is a joke.

Stu, EVERYONE agrees Fowler isn't the player he once was, all except you.  A couple of mates of mine saw him and McManaman in Colchester, Essex getting hammered in a club, midweek....doesn't that prove how his 'dedication' to fitness and football has deminished.  of course not, it's all down to City and their tactics, thats why Fowler is overweight and 20 league goals in 4 years.  Best not to mention the fact that he only scored 28 goals in his last 4 years at anfield either! 



you make me laugh stu, you really do!   

How old are you? I ask because you show a lack of intelligence and a lack basic human ability to grasp what i'm saying. I don't care in the slightest for other people's opinions. I say what i see. Other people will never, ever, ever, ever, strongly influence my judgement of players in the way it does to you. I am perfectly capable myself of judging how good a player is and i don't need an idiot to tell me otherwise.

Secondly, if you read through the thread, which so far on these last three pages you have failed to do as all you do is repeat a stupid and pathetic attempt at an arguement, you would see i've acknowledged he's 80% of the player he once was. He's not the same, he's not as good, i also acknowledged he's lost fitness aswell. Read through the post again child and have a look.

A couple of mates of yours saw him getting drunk? Really? Is that so? I saw Xabi Alonso and John Arne Riise three weeks ago with Luis Garcia who was stone cold sober in the panamerican club on the albert dock, whats your point? Just because someone goes out and gets bladdered doesn't mean they can't be fit. I have a friend who runs marathons, yet he's out with us every sunday.

The most amusing thing is about your arguement, not only is it completely immature, it has no foundation. It isn't backed up with facts, or knowledge by watching him play, you've admitted you last saw him once last season, probably on highlights and you state how he can't be any good because a few average managers say so. You then try to twist it and laugh it off because you simply can't come up with a decent arguement. You haven't once debated any point i've made with any credible arguement.

My guess is you're about 19-25 years old, were a failed Sunday league player at best, aren't from Liverpool, very rarely go to watch any live games (Especially at anfield, probably never been) and sit there in the pub claiming Sven's an idiot because he picks Ferdinand over Carragher and Beckham still plays for England.

Come back when you have a good arguement or actually have a clue about the game. I've spend the last three pages making numorous points, you've spent them telling us how...

"He can't be any good because someone else says so".

Says everything lad. Absoloutely everything.

classic stu....classic 

lose your argument and claim i'm a plastic 

Effes wrote:

stu_the_red wrote:

Ola Mr Benitez wrote:

Ace Ventura wrote:He was leathered but thats what he was saying.

And that my friends is one of Robbies problems..  A player in his 30's shouldn't be gettingleathered as they need to work twice as hard as everyone else to keep up with the frightening pace of the premieship..

Didi Hamann's smoked 20 a day for the last 10 years, whats your point? Vialli, I'll reapeat that, Gianluca Vialli, i don't know if you're old enough to remember him admitted smoking 40 a day throughout most of his career.

Stu,
In another thread you said Dean Saunders was "before my time".
So, how old are YOU?
By the way, I'm 35 and my dad's bigger than yours.

Effes wrote:

stu_the_red wrote:

Ola Mr Benitez wrote:

Ace Ventura wrote:He was leathered but thats what he was saying.

And that my friends is one of Robbies problems..  A player in his 30's shouldn't be gettingleathered as they need to work twice as hard as everyone else to keep up with the frightening pace of the premieship..

Didi Hamann's smoked 20 a day for the last 10 years, whats your point? Vialli, I'll reapeat that, Gianluca Vialli, i don't know if you're old enough to remember him admitted smoking 40 a day throughout most of his career.

Stu,
In another thread you said Dean Saunders was "before my time".
So, how old are YOU?
By the way, I'm 35 and my dad's bigger than yours.

Who asked you?

7_Kewell wrote:

stu_the_red wrote:

7_Kewell wrote:

stu_the_red wrote:

7_Kewell wrote: Stu seems to think its all to do with Man City's system, but the Fowler of old would have been knocking in 30 goals a season in any team, regardless.

I think its all down to City's system?



Putting words in my mouth.

And yes, of course he'd score 30 goals in any team. Systems and tactics mean nothing in football do they. Look at Dwight Yorke for gods sake, a very good player at Villa, goes to the mancs and bangs 30 goals in.

Systems and tactics matter a great deal. Look at Sutton at Blackburn, 20 goals, a league winner, look at him at Chelsea, 1 goal in 20.

Don't sit there and say systems and tactics mean nothing. You don't even watch Fowler, why have an opinion on something you know nothing about?

You're a grade "A" arsewhole lad. You don't have clue and your arguement is a joke.

Stu, EVERYONE agrees Fowler isn't the player he once was, all except you.  A couple of mates of mine saw him and McManaman in Colchester, Essex getting hammered in a club, midweek....doesn't that prove how his 'dedication' to fitness and football has deminished.  of course not, it's all down to City and their tactics, thats why Fowler is overweight and 20 league goals in 4 years.  Best not to mention the fact that he only scored 28 goals in his last 4 years at anfield either! 



you make me laugh stu, you really do!   

How old are you? I ask because you show a lack of intelligence and a lack basic human ability to grasp what i'm saying. I don't care in the slightest for other people's opinions. I say what i see. Other people will never, ever, ever, ever, strongly influence my judgement of players in the way it does to you. I am perfectly capable myself of judging how good a player is and i don't need an idiot to tell me otherwise.

Secondly, if you read through the thread, which so far on these last three pages you have failed to do as all you do is repeat a stupid and pathetic attempt at an arguement, you would see i've acknowledged he's 80% of the player he once was. He's not the same, he's not as good, i also acknowledged he's lost fitness aswell. Read through the post again child and have a look.

A couple of mates of yours saw him getting drunk? Really? Is that so? I saw Xabi Alonso and John Arne Riise three weeks ago with Luis Garcia who was stone cold sober in the panamerican club on the albert dock, whats your point? Just because someone goes out and gets bladdered doesn't mean they can't be fit. I have a friend who runs marathons, yet he's out with us every sunday.

The most amusing thing is about your arguement, not only is it completely immature, it has no foundation. It isn't backed up with facts, or knowledge by watching him play, you've admitted you last saw him once last season, probably on highlights and you state how he can't be any good because a few average managers say so. You then try to twist it and laugh it off because you simply can't come up with a decent arguement. You haven't once debated any point i've made with any credible arguement.

My guess is you're about 19-25 years old, were a failed Sunday league player at best, aren't from Liverpool, very rarely go to watch any live games (Especially at anfield, probably never been) and sit there in the pub claiming Sven's an idiot because he picks Ferdinand over Carragher and Beckham still plays for England.

Come back when you have a good arguement or actually have a clue about the game. I've spend the last three pages making numorous points, you've spent them telling us how...

"He can't be any good because someone else says so".

Says everything lad. Absoloutely everything.

classic stu....classic 

lose your argument and claim i'm a plastic 

Hang on a minute...

"*Insert person's name* doesn't rate him so that means he's rubbish".

You think thats "winning an arguement"?

   

Big Niall wrote:this whole thread surprises me. Fowler is a legend who belongs in the clubs past just like Rush.

Even though he is not that old he is well past his best, probably a combination of injuries and not treating his body like an athlete should.

If he was good enough to play for Liverpool now, don't you think Stuart Pearse would have him in the City team on a regular basis.

Accept it and stop living in the past - and yes, Elvis is dead too.

Big Niall wrote:this whole thread surprises me. Fowler is a legend who belongs in the clubs past just like Rush.

Even though he is not that old he is well past his best, probably a combination of injuries and not treating his body like an athlete should.

If he was good enough to play for Liverpool now, don't you think Stuart Pearse would have him in the City team on a regular basis.

Accept it and stop living in the past - and yes, Elvis is dead too.

Elvis is passed it. Dont you know anything about rockstars.
I bet you've never been to Memphis!!

   

(sarcasm, by the way)