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by **Judge** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:13 am

its sanctamonius

santa-monius is due to xmas mate

by **Ace Ventura** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:28 am

Different fans have different players that they rate and opinions are bound to vary.

I like Garcia he scores all different kinds of goals, from headers, tap ins, to shots outside the area with either foot.

But he was poor on Tuesday, it surprised me he wasn't taken off earlier as he wasn't a threat and was totally off the pace...he has games like that at times, imo the good performances far out weigh the bad ones but that was definately a bad one.

The fact that we never broke Chelsea down is imo due to the tactics employed, Rafa picked a side where he knew both wide players would protect the full backs and with 2 defensive centre mid's it was obvious that the main objective was not to concede.
And after what happened in the league at anfield i think he made a good choice, it was down to Chelsea to come at us, and apart from the usual long ball bombardment they offered nothing and we were comfortable.
Murphy, you are obviously not a big Riise fan, but for you to say he offers only a good shot and to prefer Traore imo is miles off the mark.
Traore will always make major mistakes and one will cost us dear ala Burnley last season....he nearly did it on Tue with a woeful header but got a lucky free-kick from Duff.
Riise is not brilliant defensively but will run all day, is solid and decent in the air.
He offers about 90% more than Traore when coming forward as well.
Pongolle looked sharp when he came on and held the ball up well.
Now he is fit he deserves his chance and alongside Crouch could form a potentially exciting partnership...they linked very well against Betis away and i hope he gets his chance against Boro.

by **115-1073096938** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:07 pm

Leonmc0708 wrote:
stu_the_red wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
stu_the_red wrote:Recently, we've been superb. We're starting to look like a side that can get a job done and done convincingly. Defensively we're out of this world at the moment. I do believe Chelsea have a better defence in terms of individuals, however i believe we have as near as we'll get to having as good a unit.

For me this area now doesn't need to improve. Don't get me wrong, should the correct player become available, by all means go for him, but the new player must have all the qualities of whoever he replaces and more and must be a very very similar mould of player.

It is however going forward, we still lack what is needed.

At the start of the season, I stated and still believe, there isn't alot wrong with this team. Even when we had this "crisis" i still believed there wasn't alot wrong. What i saw against Manchester United at the start of the season was a defence that can keep a clean sheet against any team in the world.

What i also saw is an attack that will struggle to break the best teams down. Last night i saw the same thing. Crouch has settled well, played some good games and looks like he can helps us score goals, against the lesser sides goals will come in abundance from everywhere i believe, we're looking like scoring alot now. But against the better teams, we're still going to struggle.

Last night i got the impression the only chance of a goal was from Riise or Gerrard. Sinama looked lively when he came on, had a headed chance, but by all means isn't a goalscorer. Riise and Gerrard seem the only two that are capable of scoring against Chelsea. Now, i'm not saying we'll never beat them, but what i am saying is at present i think we lack the ability to rip them apart upfront as they did to us. For me, thats the only real difference.

We don't really have anyone who can do it on there own or come up with that bit of magic to unlock a tight game. IE go past a player and lay it on a plate for someone or rattle one in the top corner on there own.

This is where again, i think Joaquin would come in. Someone who only needs to have one run, who can get past a defence and create something or score a goal. Someone who can carry the ball, spot a pass and play at pace. We lack pace, we lack someone who can take defenders on.

I genuinely believe that we have a good side.

I see Sinama-Pongolle as a similar player in a similar position to Luis Garcia. Last night i'd have liked to seen him come on earlier as i felt he offered more in that game. He plays off the front man.

I think our best team at the moment could be:

Crouch Sinama
Kewell Alonso Sissoko Gerrard
Riise Hyypia Carragher Finnan
Reina

I'd like to see it given a go against Boro. I think with Joaquin in for Sissoko and Gerrard back into the middle that team would be one player away from being as good as anyone. Crouch would benefit from having a winger like Joaquin in there aswell, Sinama links well with others around him, as does Gerrard and Crouch.

Our best chance of scoring against Chelsea is Gerrard or Riise?

Remind me who scored the goal against them at Anfield? Garcia.

Stu, I hear Ping Pong is looking for a new agent. Do you want his number?

Leon get a grip lad.

Luis Garcia was poor the other night. He had a bad game and alot of attacks and possession broke down with him. He was sloppy, passed the ball to no-one and at times offered pracitcally nothing. He didn't look like scoring or creating a chance and didn't all game. He was simply brushed off the ball on numourus occassions aswell.

Get over it lad, Ronaldinho has bad games.

Don't give me this about working hard and doing such and such. He was rubbish the other night and deserved to come off sooner. Thats the end of the matter.

Stu you santamonious pompous little pri.ck.

Garcia has scored against Chelsea, yet you beleive based on the four games we played against them that Garrard and Riise are our best chance of scoring?

You're avoiding answering the question and insulting me, says it all really.

I'll ask again, did you think Luis Garcia played well and looked like scoring OR creating a goal against Chelsea?

by **Leonmc0708** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:44 pm

stu_the_red wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
stu_the_red wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
stu_the_red wrote:Recently, we've been superb. We're starting to look like a side that can get a job done and done convincingly. Defensively we're out of this world at the moment. I do believe Chelsea have a better defence in terms of individuals, however i believe we have as near as we'll get to having as good a unit.

For me this area now doesn't need to improve. Don't get me wrong, should the correct player become available, by all means go for him, but the new player must have all the qualities of whoever he replaces and more and must be a very very similar mould of player.

It is however going forward, we still lack what is needed.

At the start of the season, I stated and still believe, there isn't alot wrong with this team. Even when we had this "crisis" i still believed there wasn't alot wrong. What i saw against Manchester United at the start of the season was a defence that can keep a clean sheet against any team in the world.

What i also saw is an attack that will struggle to break the best teams down. Last night i saw the same thing. Crouch has settled well, played some good games and looks like he can helps us score goals, against the lesser sides goals will come in abundance from everywhere i believe, we're looking like scoring alot now. But against the better teams, we're still going to struggle.

Last night i got the impression the only chance of a goal was from Riise or Gerrard. Sinama looked lively when he came on, had a headed chance, but by all means isn't a goalscorer. Riise and Gerrard seem the only two that are capable of scoring against Chelsea. Now, i'm not saying we'll never beat them, but what i am saying is at present i think we lack the ability to rip them apart upfront as they did to us. For me, thats the only real difference.

We don't really have anyone who can do it on there own or come up with that bit of magic to unlock a tight game. IE go past a player and lay it on a plate for someone or rattle one in the top corner on there own.

This is where again, i think Joaquin would come in. Someone who only needs to have one run, who can get past a defence and create something or score a goal. Someone who can carry the ball, spot a pass and play at pace. We lack pace, we lack someone who can take defenders on.

I genuinely believe that we have a good side.

I see Sinama-Pongolle as a similar player in a similar position to Luis Garcia. Last night i'd have liked to seen him come on earlier as i felt he offered more in that game. He plays off the front man.

I think our best team at the moment could be:

Crouch Sinama
Kewell Alonso Sissoko Gerrard
Riise Hyypia Carragher Finnan
Reina

I'd like to see it given a go against Boro. I think with Joaquin in for Sissoko and Gerrard back into the middle that team would be one player away from being as good as anyone. Crouch would benefit from having a winger like Joaquin in there aswell, Sinama links well with others around him, as does Gerrard and Crouch.

Our best chance of scoring against Chelsea is Gerrard or Riise?

Remind me who scored the goal against them at Anfield? Garcia.

Stu, I hear Ping Pong is looking for a new agent. Do you want his number?

Leon get a grip lad.

Luis Garcia was poor the other night. He had a bad game and alot of attacks and possession broke down with him. He was sloppy, passed the ball to no-one and at times offered pracitcally nothing. He didn't look like scoring or creating a chance and didn't all game. He was simply brushed off the ball on numourus occassions aswell.

Get over it lad, Ronaldinho has bad games.

Don't give me this about working hard and doing such and such. He was rubbish the other night and deserved to come off sooner. Thats the end of the matter.

Stu you santamonious pompous little pri.ck.

Garcia has scored against Chelsea, yet you beleive based on the four games we played against them that Garrard and Riise are our best chance of scoring?

You're avoiding answering the question and insulting me, says it all really.

I'll ask again, did you think Luis Garcia played well and looked like scoring OR creating a goal against Chelsea?

Stu mate, you didn't at any stage ask me a question, you "told me" that was the end of the conversation, and that makes you santimonious, ie someone who faigns or implies piety or rightousness.

In answer to the question, Garcia did not look like scoring against Chelsea on Tuesday, however to suggest he has never looked like scoring is stupid as he did score against them in the Champions League Semi Final last season.

On a personal note Stu, you really do come across as a stuck up little loud mouth at times Stu, which is a shame as you clearly are knowledgeable about football and LFC.

by **Judge** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:51 pm

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by **Gareth G** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:17 pm

Why do you ask me do a go to the game Leon? Suppose I'm not allowed to have an opinion if I don't attend every week?

Oh and if we are going to be picky, technically Garcia didn't score as the ball didn't cross the line.

by **Leonmc0708** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:27 pm

KOP-1892 wrote:Why do you ask me do a go to the game Leon? Suppose I'm not allowed to have an opinion if I don't attend every week?

Oh and if we are going to be picky, technically Garcia didn't score as the ball didn't cross the line.

I ask because you commented earlier that Murphy0151 must be "crazy" to say that Riise was ineffectual.

Having sat at the City of Manchester Stadium, the stadium of light and many times at Anfield this season, and watched just how ineffectual Riise has been, both defending, and attacking at times.

I merely wished to ascertain your vantage point.

by **wrighty (not mark!)** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 3:49 pm

I believe that Warnock is much more effective than Riise defensively but people tend to pick Riise over him because he appears to be more of a threat in front of goal than Warnock. Perhaps people see him as the equivalent to Jamie Carragher when he was playing right-back. Great defensively, but offered little in attack.

Depends on what people want more i suppose; a full-back who can defend in an exemplerary manner who lacks a little going forward, or another potential goalscoring outlet.

by **JBG** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:35 pm

Leonmc0708 wrote:
KOP-1892 wrote:Why do you ask me do a go to the game Leon? Suppose I'm not allowed to have an opinion if I don't attend every week?

Oh and if we are going to be picky, technically Garcia didn't score as the ball didn't cross the line.

I ask because you commented earlier that Murphy0151 must be "crazy" to say that Riise was ineffectual.

Having sat at the City of Manchester Stadium, the stadium of light and many times at Anfield this season, and watched just how ineffectual Riise has been, both defending, and attacking at times.

I merely wished to ascertain your vantage point.

I haven't seen as much as Riise this season as you and Murph but out of the 10-15 games on tv I've seen him in, he's been very up and down. The guy can do a lot better and he's going through a difficult period in his life (rumours abound). He has also been getting some flak from his Norwegian manager for his lack of form.

I think Riise will come good though, but I don't fancy him as left wing.

by **Scottbot** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 8:55 pm

I've wanted to see Crouch get a run-out together for a couple of months now. I know a lot of you think Pongo is a little raw but he's never really had a decent run in the team. He's an intelligent player, uses the ball well, has a few tricks up his sleeve and while not as quick as Cisse, has pace to burn.He also has a first-class attitude (from what i've read) The two question marks over Pongo have always been;

Does he have the strength to play in England? He looks a lot stronger to me and he has clearly spent plenty of time in the gym this past year.

Can he score enough goals? - Jury out on this one but he has scored a few important goals when given the opportunity. A clinical finish to beat the Saints at Anfield last season and a poachers goals against Olympiakos in last year's Champions League are good examples.

As for the left-back position. I like Warnock and feel he has potential to grow into a more attacking full-back. The lad has a sweet left foot and i wonder if Rafa should encourage him to get forward a bit more. I don't think Riise is a world beating full-back but it's hard to pick holes in a defence as stingy as ours this season.

I'm not sure about playing Traore ahead of Riise Murph? Obviously you get a better idea when you go the game every week (especially as it's hard to see a players positional sense when your watching on the box) but surely Riise is a safer option? A couple of 50p headers and another Mr Kipling sliced clearance from Djimi on Wednesday night leaves me wondering why Rafa ever plays the lad ahead of Warnock.

by **115-1073096938** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 12:42 am

Leonmc0708 wrote:
stu_the_red wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
stu_the_red wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
stu_the_red wrote:Recently, we've been superb. We're starting to look like a side that can get a job done and done convincingly. Defensively we're out of this world at the moment. I do believe Chelsea have a better defence in terms of individuals, however i believe we have as near as we'll get to having as good a unit.

For me this area now doesn't need to improve. Don't get me wrong, should the correct player become available, by all means go for him, but the new player must have all the qualities of whoever he replaces and more and must be a very very similar mould of player.

It is however going forward, we still lack what is needed.

At the start of the season, I stated and still believe, there isn't alot wrong with this team. Even when we had this "crisis" i still believed there wasn't alot wrong. What i saw against Manchester United at the start of the season was a defence that can keep a clean sheet against any team in the world.

What i also saw is an attack that will struggle to break the best teams down. Last night i saw the same thing. Crouch has settled well, played some good games and looks like he can helps us score goals, against the lesser sides goals will come in abundance from everywhere i believe, we're looking like scoring alot now. But against the better teams, we're still going to struggle.

Last night i got the impression the only chance of a goal was from Riise or Gerrard. Sinama looked lively when he came on, had a headed chance, but by all means isn't a goalscorer. Riise and Gerrard seem the only two that are capable of scoring against Chelsea. Now, i'm not saying we'll never beat them, but what i am saying is at present i think we lack the ability to rip them apart upfront as they did to us. For me, thats the only real difference.

We don't really have anyone who can do it on there own or come up with that bit of magic to unlock a tight game. IE go past a player and lay it on a plate for someone or rattle one in the top corner on there own.

This is where again, i think Joaquin would come in. Someone who only needs to have one run, who can get past a defence and create something or score a goal. Someone who can carry the ball, spot a pass and play at pace. We lack pace, we lack someone who can take defenders on.

I genuinely believe that we have a good side.

I see Sinama-Pongolle as a similar player in a similar position to Luis Garcia. Last night i'd have liked to seen him come on earlier as i felt he offered more in that game. He plays off the front man.

I think our best team at the moment could be:

Crouch Sinama
Kewell Alonso Sissoko Gerrard
Riise Hyypia Carragher Finnan
Reina

I'd like to see it given a go against Boro. I think with Joaquin in for Sissoko and Gerrard back into the middle that team would be one player away from being as good as anyone. Crouch would benefit from having a winger like Joaquin in there aswell, Sinama links well with others around him, as does Gerrard and Crouch.

Our best chance of scoring against Chelsea is Gerrard or Riise?

Remind me who scored the goal against them at Anfield? Garcia.

Stu, I hear Ping Pong is looking for a new agent. Do you want his number?

Leon get a grip lad.

Luis Garcia was poor the other night. He had a bad game and alot of attacks and possession broke down with him. He was sloppy, passed the ball to no-one and at times offered pracitcally nothing. He didn't look like scoring or creating a chance and didn't all game. He was simply brushed off the ball on numourus occassions aswell.

Get over it lad, Ronaldinho has bad games.

Don't give me this about working hard and doing such and such. He was rubbish the other night and deserved to come off sooner. Thats the end of the matter.

Stu you santamonious pompous little pri.ck.

Garcia has scored against Chelsea, yet you beleive based on the four games we played against them that Garrard and Riise are our best chance of scoring?

You're avoiding answering the question and insulting me, says it all really.

I'll ask again, did you think Luis Garcia played well and looked like scoring OR creating a goal against Chelsea?

Stu mate, you didn't at any stage ask me a question, you "told me" that was the end of the conversation, and that makes you santimonious, ie someone who faigns or implies piety or rightousness.

In answer to the question, Garcia did not look like scoring against Chelsea on Tuesday, however to suggest he has never looked like scoring is stupid as he did score against them in the Champions League Semi Final last season.

On a personal note Stu, you really do come across as a stuck up little loud mouth at times Stu, which is a shame as you clearly are knowledgeable about football and LFC.

Maybe you should try talking football occassionally as apose to being a smart arse Leon.

I do have respect for your views and alot of the time you say stuff i'm thinking but picked a bad time to defend Luis Garcia. As i've said in the past, i rate the lad, i like him but he's prone to having woeful games and the other night was one of them.

As for Murph sayin Traore over Riise, yes that is crazy. Traore's a liability. Riise, while not being the best at either full back or left mid is a good alround player and a damn site in nearly every area than Traore. Warnock and Riise should be rotated at left back depending on the game.

by **Leonmc0708** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:25 pm

stu_the_red wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
stu_the_red wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
stu_the_red wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
stu_the_red wrote:Recently, we've been superb. We're starting to look like a side that can get a job done and done convincingly. Defensively we're out of this world at the moment. I do believe Chelsea have a better defence in terms of individuals, however i believe we have as near as we'll get to having as good a unit.

For me this area now doesn't need to improve. Don't get me wrong, should the correct player become available, by all means go for him, but the new player must have all the qualities of whoever he replaces and more and must be a very very similar mould of player.

It is however going forward, we still lack what is needed.

At the start of the season, I stated and still believe, there isn't alot wrong with this team. Even when we had this "crisis" i still believed there wasn't alot wrong. What i saw against Manchester United at the start of the season was a defence that can keep a clean sheet against any team in the world.

What i also saw is an attack that will struggle to break the best teams down. Last night i saw the same thing. Crouch has settled well, played some good games and looks like he can helps us score goals, against the lesser sides goals will come in abundance from everywhere i believe, we're looking like scoring alot now. But against the better teams, we're still going to struggle.

Last night i got the impression the only chance of a goal was from Riise or Gerrard. Sinama looked lively when he came on, had a headed chance, but by all means isn't a goalscorer. Riise and Gerrard seem the only two that are capable of scoring against Chelsea. Now, i'm not saying we'll never beat them, but what i am saying is at present i think we lack the ability to rip them apart upfront as they did to us. For me, thats the only real difference.

We don't really have anyone who can do it on there own or come up with that bit of magic to unlock a tight game. IE go past a player and lay it on a plate for someone or rattle one in the top corner on there own.

This is where again, i think Joaquin would come in. Someone who only needs to have one run, who can get past a defence and create something or score a goal. Someone who can carry the ball, spot a pass and play at pace. We lack pace, we lack someone who can take defenders on.

I genuinely believe that we have a good side.

I see Sinama-Pongolle as a similar player in a similar position to Luis Garcia. Last night i'd have liked to seen him come on earlier as i felt he offered more in that game. He plays off the front man.

I think our best team at the moment could be:

Crouch Sinama
Kewell Alonso Sissoko Gerrard
Riise Hyypia Carragher Finnan
Reina

I'd like to see it given a go against Boro. I think with Joaquin in for Sissoko and Gerrard back into the middle that team would be one player away from being as good as anyone. Crouch would benefit from having a winger like Joaquin in there aswell, Sinama links well with others around him, as does Gerrard and Crouch.

Our best chance of scoring against Chelsea is Gerrard or Riise?

Remind me who scored the goal against them at Anfield? Garcia.

Stu, I hear Ping Pong is looking for a new agent. Do you want his number?

Leon get a grip lad.

Luis Garcia was poor the other night. He had a bad game and alot of attacks and possession broke down with him. He was sloppy, passed the ball to no-one and at times offered pracitcally nothing. He didn't look like scoring or creating a chance and didn't all game. He was simply brushed off the ball on numourus occassions aswell.

Get over it lad, Ronaldinho has bad games.

Don't give me this about working hard and doing such and such. He was rubbish the other night and deserved to come off sooner. Thats the end of the matter.

Stu you santamonious pompous little pri.ck.

Garcia has scored against Chelsea, yet you beleive based on the four games we played against them that Garrard and Riise are our best chance of scoring?

You're avoiding answering the question and insulting me, says it all really.

I'll ask again, did you think Luis Garcia played well and looked like scoring OR creating a goal against Chelsea?

Stu mate, you didn't at any stage ask me a question, you "told me" that was the end of the conversation, and that makes you santimonious, ie someone who faigns or implies piety or rightousness.

In answer to the question, Garcia did not look like scoring against Chelsea on Tuesday, however to suggest he has never looked like scoring is stupid as he did score against them in the Champions League Semi Final last season.

On a personal note Stu, you really do come across as a stuck up little loud mouth at times Stu, which is a shame as you clearly are knowledgeable about football and LFC.

Maybe you should try talking football occassionally as apose to being a smart arse Leon.

I do have respect for your views and alot of the time you say stuff i'm thinking but picked a bad time to defend Luis Garcia. As i've said in the past, i rate the lad, i like him but he's prone to having woeful games and the other night was one of them.

As for Murph sayin Traore over Riise, yes that is crazy. Traore's a liability. Riise, while not being the best at either full back or left mid is a good alround player and a damn site in nearly every area than Traore. Warnock and Riise should be rotated at left back depending on the game.

Garcia did no0thing when he came on at the weekend either, sell him I say, sell him.

by **wrighty (not mark!)** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:33 pm

ladies, ladies! you are sounding like a pair of bitches! lol

BTW Garcia made the difference!haha

by **dawson99** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:37 pm

i like garcia. we finally got a player witha bit of flair. So what if he loses the ball sometimes, hes got a great touch and adds to the team. why are some people always saying sell him sell him to all our players after what only seems like a few months. the reason we are always on this dumb 5 year plan is that we never keep a player for more than 2 years. lets get some stability people.

by **115-1073096938** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 9:16 pm

I also like Luis Garcia alot. I think he's a very good player. Thats got nothing at all to do with the thread, he had a shocker against Chelsea and that was that.

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