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Postby Gareth G » Wed Dec 07, 2005 8:40 pm

murphy0151 wrote:Im not being funny or anything but what do you lot see in Riiise?  Hes :censored: at defending, :censored: at crossing, ill give him is due he does gives his all.  An hes allso got a good Shot on him.

Either in the summer or the next transfer window I think we will purchase a new first choice left back.

I would rather have Traore at left back than Riise.

You're crazy! Riise has a lot more to offer than just a powerful shot and good work rate. Last night was not a good example of his crossing, but he can provide good crosses and he's good going forward as well as being pretty solid defending, you my friend need to open your eye's! I remember some one saying his control and first touch are poor, BS.
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Postby 115-1073096938 » Wed Dec 07, 2005 8:48 pm

murphy0151 wrote:Im not being funny or anything but what do you lot see in Riiise?  Hes :censored: at defending, :censored: at crossing, ill give him is due he does gives his all.  An hes allso got a good Shot on him.

Either in the summer or the next transfer window I think we will purchase a new first choice left back.

I would rather have Traore at left back than Riise.

He's good defensively. He's not Finnan or Carragher, but he certainly isn't poor.

And going forward he's as good as most full backs in the league.

He works hard, has a crackin shot, offers an outlet and generally does good work all round. As for rather having Traore at left back, i think you are completely nutz. The mans a complete and utter liability. He can't even kick or head a simple ball half the time. Poor player.
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Postby Leonmc0708 » Wed Dec 07, 2005 9:59 pm

stu_the_red wrote:Recently, we've been superb. We're starting to look like a side that can get a job done and done convincingly. Defensively we're out of this world at the moment. I do believe Chelsea have a better defence in terms of individuals, however i believe we have as near as we'll get to having as good a unit.

For me this area now doesn't need to improve. Don't get me wrong, should the correct player become available, by all means go for him, but the new player must have all the qualities of whoever he replaces and more and must be a very very similar mould of player.

It is however going forward, we still lack what is needed.

At the start of the season, I stated and still believe, there isn't alot wrong with this team. Even when we had this "crisis" i still believed there wasn't alot wrong. What i saw against Manchester United at the start of the season was a defence that can keep a clean sheet against any team in the world.

What i also saw is an attack that will struggle to break the best teams down. Last night i saw the same thing. Crouch has settled well, played some good games and looks like he can helps us score goals, against the lesser sides goals will come in abundance from everywhere i believe, we're looking like scoring alot now. But against the better teams, we're still going to struggle.

Last night i got the impression the only chance of a goal was from Riise or Gerrard. Sinama looked lively when he came on, had a headed chance, but by all means isn't a goalscorer. Riise and Gerrard seem the only two that are capable of scoring against Chelsea. Now, i'm not saying we'll never beat them, but what i am saying is at present i think we lack the ability to rip them apart upfront as they did to us. For me, thats the only real difference.

We don't really have anyone who can do it on there own or come up with that bit of magic to unlock a tight game. IE go past a player and lay it on a plate for someone or rattle one in the top corner on there own.

This is where again, i think Joaquin would come in. Someone who only needs to have one run, who can get past a defence and create something or score a goal. Someone who can carry the ball, spot a pass and play at pace. We lack pace, we lack someone who can take defenders on.

I genuinely believe that we have a good side.

I see Sinama-Pongolle as a similar player in a similar position to Luis Garcia. Last night i'd have liked to seen him come on earlier as i felt he offered more in that game. He plays off the front man.

I think our best team at the moment could be:

              Crouch      Sinama 
Kewell      Alonso      Sissoko     Gerrard
Riise        Hyypia     Carragher   Finnan
                      Reina

I'd like to see it given a go against Boro. I think with Joaquin in for Sissoko and Gerrard back into the middle that team would be one player away from being as good as anyone. Crouch would benefit from having a winger like Joaquin in there aswell, Sinama links well with others around him, as does Gerrard and Crouch.

Our best chance of scoring against Chelsea is Gerrard or Riise?

Remind me who scored the goal against them at Anfield? Garcia.

Stu, I hear Ping Pong is looking for a new agent. Do you want his number?
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Postby Leonmc0708 » Wed Dec 07, 2005 10:01 pm

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murphy0151 wrote:Im not being funny or anything but what do you lot see in Riiise?  Hes :censored: at defending, :censored: at crossing, ill give him is due he does gives his all.  An hes allso got a good Shot on him.

Either in the summer or the next transfer window I think we will purchase a new first choice left back.

I would rather have Traore at left back than Riise.

You're crazy! Riise has a lot more to offer than just a powerful shot and good work rate. Last night was not a good example of his crossing, but he can provide good crosses and he's good going forward as well as being pretty solid defending, you my friend need to open your eye's! I remember some one saying his control and first touch are poor, BS.

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Postby A.B. » Wed Dec 07, 2005 10:14 pm

We really didn't need to push forward because all we needed was a draw. Had we pushed forward more than we did[which we didn't do a lot of], Chelsea would had the pace to break quickly on the counter attack.

Riise should had put away his chance but because he shot it with his right foot, Cech managed to save it. Riise missed the same kind of opportunity last season at Stamford Bridge.

His crosses were terrible last night.
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Postby 115-1073096938 » Wed Dec 07, 2005 10:17 pm

Leonmc0708 wrote:
stu_the_red wrote:Recently, we've been superb. We're starting to look like a side that can get a job done and done convincingly. Defensively we're out of this world at the moment. I do believe Chelsea have a better defence in terms of individuals, however i believe we have as near as we'll get to having as good a unit.

For me this area now doesn't need to improve. Don't get me wrong, should the correct player become available, by all means go for him, but the new player must have all the qualities of whoever he replaces and more and must be a very very similar mould of player.

It is however going forward, we still lack what is needed.

At the start of the season, I stated and still believe, there isn't alot wrong with this team. Even when we had this "crisis" i still believed there wasn't alot wrong. What i saw against Manchester United at the start of the season was a defence that can keep a clean sheet against any team in the world.

What i also saw is an attack that will struggle to break the best teams down. Last night i saw the same thing. Crouch has settled well, played some good games and looks like he can helps us score goals, against the lesser sides goals will come in abundance from everywhere i believe, we're looking like scoring alot now. But against the better teams, we're still going to struggle.

Last night i got the impression the only chance of a goal was from Riise or Gerrard. Sinama looked lively when he came on, had a headed chance, but by all means isn't a goalscorer. Riise and Gerrard seem the only two that are capable of scoring against Chelsea. Now, i'm not saying we'll never beat them, but what i am saying is at present i think we lack the ability to rip them apart upfront as they did to us. For me, thats the only real difference.

We don't really have anyone who can do it on there own or come up with that bit of magic to unlock a tight game. IE go past a player and lay it on a plate for someone or rattle one in the top corner on there own.

This is where again, i think Joaquin would come in. Someone who only needs to have one run, who can get past a defence and create something or score a goal. Someone who can carry the ball, spot a pass and play at pace. We lack pace, we lack someone who can take defenders on.

I genuinely believe that we have a good side.

I see Sinama-Pongolle as a similar player in a similar position to Luis Garcia. Last night i'd have liked to seen him come on earlier as i felt he offered more in that game. He plays off the front man.

I think our best team at the moment could be:

              Crouch      Sinama 
Kewell      Alonso      Sissoko     Gerrard
Riise        Hyypia     Carragher   Finnan
                      Reina

I'd like to see it given a go against Boro. I think with Joaquin in for Sissoko and Gerrard back into the middle that team would be one player away from being as good as anyone. Crouch would benefit from having a winger like Joaquin in there aswell, Sinama links well with others around him, as does Gerrard and Crouch.

Our best chance of scoring against Chelsea is Gerrard or Riise?

Remind me who scored the goal against them at Anfield? Garcia.

Stu, I hear Ping Pong is looking for a new agent. Do you want his number?

Leon get a grip lad.

Luis Garcia was poor the other night. He had a bad game and alot of attacks and possession broke down with him. He was sloppy, passed the ball to no-one and at times offered pracitcally nothing. He didn't look like scoring or creating a chance and didn't all game. He was simply brushed off the ball on numourus occassions aswell.

Get over it lad, Ronaldinho has bad games.

Don't give me this :censored: about working hard and doing such and such. He was rubbish the other night and deserved to come off sooner. Thats the end of the matter.
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Postby JBG » Wed Dec 07, 2005 10:22 pm

A.B. wrote:Riise missed the same kind of opportunity last season at Stamford Bridge.

Thats right, I remember that. He was in the exact same position and Cech made the exact same save.  ???
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Postby A.B. » Wed Dec 07, 2005 10:29 pm

JBG wrote:
A.B. wrote:Riise missed the same kind of opportunity last season at Stamford Bridge.

Thats right, I remember that. He was in the exact same position and Cech made the exact same save.  ???

Riise needs to take some time in training and shoot with his right foot because it's getting ridicilious.
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Postby Gaunt » Wed Dec 07, 2005 10:39 pm

Didn't want to make a new topic about this as it didn't deserve so i'll stick it in here as your talking about weaknesses in the team and highlight the need for joaquin on the right. I was just wondering if the most likely option to solve our right side problems in Simao would still be looking likely to join now Benfica have qualified as they don't need to sell him anymore and the champions league football is an incentive for him to stay now. I'm a little unsure now as to whether he will join in January now. Do you think Benitez has other options lined up that he has been quiet about or will he be surprised by the fact Benfica qualified. Will he spring a surprise move for Joaquin now instead   :oh:
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Postby A.B. » Wed Dec 07, 2005 10:46 pm

Gaunt I still think that we'll be able to sign him. According to Benfica we have a ''gentleman's agreement'' and Benfica still need the money despite making it to the next stage of the CL
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Postby el_stinger » Wed Dec 07, 2005 11:37 pm

JBG wrote:I think Mark Gonzalez is a complete mystery and without being too cynical, I think people who claim he is "quality" are bluffing as I doubt very much many posters here follow Albacte closely.

I claim to be one of these people, and without seeing Albacete games, I can only go on with what I have seen him for the Chile national team and Universidad Catolica.

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Postby 115-1073096938 » Thu Dec 08, 2005 12:07 am

el_stinger wrote:
JBG wrote:I think Mark Gonzalez is a complete mystery and without being too cynical, I think people who claim he is "quality" are bluffing as I doubt very much many posters here follow Albacte closely.

I claim to be one of these people, and without seeing Albacete games, I can only go on with what I have seen him for the Chile national team and Universidad Catolica.

Class, pure class!

I wouldn't trust your judgment.
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Postby Dundalk » Thu Dec 08, 2005 12:11 am

when can he stat playing for us ?
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Postby Jari's mullet » Thu Dec 08, 2005 12:52 am

My heart is in my mouth every time Traore has the ball at his feet.  He made a couple of mistakes last night that could have been costly, the most notable was the attempted headed clearance that he somehow failed to get his head to.

Garcia brings a lot of creativity to the team but the sooner Rafa drills some discipline into him the better, his squandering of possession is one area that can easily be eliminated.
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Postby Leonmc0708 » Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:50 am

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Leonmc0708 wrote:
stu_the_red wrote:Recently, we've been superb. We're starting to look like a side that can get a job done and done convincingly. Defensively we're out of this world at the moment. I do believe Chelsea have a better defence in terms of individuals, however i believe we have as near as we'll get to having as good a unit.

For me this area now doesn't need to improve. Don't get me wrong, should the correct player become available, by all means go for him, but the new player must have all the qualities of whoever he replaces and more and must be a very very similar mould of player.

It is however going forward, we still lack what is needed.

At the start of the season, I stated and still believe, there isn't alot wrong with this team. Even when we had this "crisis" i still believed there wasn't alot wrong. What i saw against Manchester United at the start of the season was a defence that can keep a clean sheet against any team in the world.

What i also saw is an attack that will struggle to break the best teams down. Last night i saw the same thing. Crouch has settled well, played some good games and looks like he can helps us score goals, against the lesser sides goals will come in abundance from everywhere i believe, we're looking like scoring alot now. But against the better teams, we're still going to struggle.

Last night i got the impression the only chance of a goal was from Riise or Gerrard. Sinama looked lively when he came on, had a headed chance, but by all means isn't a goalscorer. Riise and Gerrard seem the only two that are capable of scoring against Chelsea. Now, i'm not saying we'll never beat them, but what i am saying is at present i think we lack the ability to rip them apart upfront as they did to us. For me, thats the only real difference.

We don't really have anyone who can do it on there own or come up with that bit of magic to unlock a tight game. IE go past a player and lay it on a plate for someone or rattle one in the top corner on there own.

This is where again, i think Joaquin would come in. Someone who only needs to have one run, who can get past a defence and create something or score a goal. Someone who can carry the ball, spot a pass and play at pace. We lack pace, we lack someone who can take defenders on.

I genuinely believe that we have a good side.

I see Sinama-Pongolle as a similar player in a similar position to Luis Garcia. Last night i'd have liked to seen him come on earlier as i felt he offered more in that game. He plays off the front man.

I think our best team at the moment could be:

              Crouch      Sinama 
Kewell      Alonso      Sissoko     Gerrard
Riise        Hyypia     Carragher   Finnan
                      Reina

I'd like to see it given a go against Boro. I think with Joaquin in for Sissoko and Gerrard back into the middle that team would be one player away from being as good as anyone. Crouch would benefit from having a winger like Joaquin in there aswell, Sinama links well with others around him, as does Gerrard and Crouch.

Our best chance of scoring against Chelsea is Gerrard or Riise?

Remind me who scored the goal against them at Anfield? Garcia.

Stu, I hear Ping Pong is looking for a new agent. Do you want his number?

Leon get a grip lad.

Luis Garcia was poor the other night. He had a bad game and alot of attacks and possession broke down with him. He was sloppy, passed the ball to no-one and at times offered pracitcally nothing. He didn't look like scoring or creating a chance and didn't all game. He was simply brushed off the ball on numourus occassions aswell.

Get over it lad, Ronaldinho has bad games.

Don't give me this :censored: about working hard and doing such and such. He was rubbish the other night and deserved to come off sooner. Thats the end of the matter.

Stu you santamonious pompous little pri.ck.

Garcia has scored against Chelsea, yet you beleive based on the four games we played against them that Garrard and Riise are our best chance of scoring?
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