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by **gerrard_steven** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 8:36 pm

Cisse is selfish and the more i se him play the more i think we shoudl sell him , fair play hes playing on his own and thats not his preferred option but the lad dosent even try he just sulks and and crys when he dosetng et the perfect pass. If he was worth the 14 mil we spent on him he would be able to hold the ball up dribble past a few players with a bit of skill and pace combined not jsut hitting it forward and chasing heskey style!

To be honest i would be chuffed if we sold him in janaury and rafa bought in kuyt hes a class act may be it in the dutch league but his whole round game is jus class hes a player worth investing 14 mil in because hes got pace skill flair and is a deadly finisher to.

by **109-1093441336** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 9:01 pm

Houllier=LFC wrote:Cisse is kinda selfish tonight, there was a clear cut chance for a through ball and he decides to go alone wasting the chance. Now i understand why rafa prefers Crouch up front, hes a much better team player.

though i dont agree with your username, :;):

i do agree with your comment.

remember that moment, when he could have put risse through but instead chose to to take Rooney on, and lost the ball

iwhat about that other chance against Betis when he ran half the pitch, Garcia was clear, he saw the pass this time but played in 5 feet behind him. :upside:

by **109-1093441336** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 9:06 pm

i remember when he joined us, he said that infamous line "liverpool is a good stepping stone" to insinutae that he's got better things lined up in the future in Spain or somewhere.

the only reason he wants to stay now is because he got married to that welsh lass. But his time is up, his 'style over substance' approach has been exposed by the Senor.

step you way back to ligue Une

by **hobbes** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:48 am

We shall keep Ciise. Sell Morientes. He is an injury prone player.

Ciise isn't bad but deserves to start first. Rafa is using his power and speed after the opposition is tired at the final 10 minutes. That's Rafa's choice but I think Rafa should start off with Ciise. If he plays for more than 20 minutes chances are higher for him to score.

After seeing Crouch starting and Morientes starting (for that matter) if Ciise starts the chances are higher for him to score.

Crouch hasnt shine. He hasnt scored. For a striker starting almost 3 games already and hasnt scored, he has to quickly improve. Its not good for the club. Pongole came from injury and reserve team matches to score in the Champions league. These kind of strikers are good. They improve quickly. Crouch ...mmm...I am not convinced yet. I havent seen him striking the ball to threaten the opposition.

He is tall. People mark him closely. He cannot get away fast. Thats why strikers and the best ones are usually not very tall. Look at maradona he aint 2 m. Look at Owen, bloody hell he is my height 1.6 m.

Seriously, I doubt Crouch can score as much as Ciise/ Morientes. I cant appreciate him yet. (pardon me guys) the way he runs is breathtaking. He is not fast enough. He moves rather slowly probably trying to maintain his balance. (just joking)

The other point we lack is.. all our strikers including Ciise cannot play alone They are desperate for support. Crouch can be a good supporting striker. I give him that. But striking goals I doubt it.

So looking at our options at the forward. Ciise should stay. He should start with Ponggole. Crouch comes in later to pair with Ciise/ replace him

by **hobbes** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:54 am

Speaking about selfishness.. i thought Garcia is selfish most of the time.

Ciise might want to take it up on his own. But that is the one occasion he had probabbly trying to prove that he can score. Look at previous matches he is not that selfish.

by **The_Rock** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 6:52 am

hobbes wrote:Speaking about selfishness.. i thought Garcia is selfish most of the time.

Ciise might want to take it up on his own. But that is the one occasion he had probabbly trying to prove that he can score. Look at previous matches he is not that selfish.

u hit the nail.....

most of the strikers around the world are selfish (owen, shearer, ronaldo...)....so wats wrong with cisse being selfish. He has proven he can score goals rite ?

As for garcia....i juz wanna forget about it.....no point thrashing your own player..... But he has to improve. He can't keep losing balls 70% of the time. That is just not acceptable.

by **Chelsea forever.** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 7:18 am

I accept Cisse has his problems and was selfish with that ONE chance he got - but guys he was on the pitch for 10 minutes. the only way a striker can impress his manager is by scoring goals (especially when he is trying to get his mark as 1st choice).

One reason Rafa is playing with Crouch might be down to the other players around him. To play Milan or Cisse you need those creative players to put balls in or play that crucial through ball - and only Garcia is capable of that if Gerrard has a restricted role (like Manu 1st half). Garcia isnt necessarly on his best form.

- so do you guys think this might be a reason Cisse isnt playing and all the transfer talk is total BS? Maybe in Jan you get your RWF and a creative lil player and Cisse gets his spot in the team?

by **tidusuk123** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:35 pm

Yesterday I was :censored:

off when Cisse started to look at the referee for about 10 minutes asking for a penalty after a little shoulder barge. I wanted him to get on with it and fight for the ball but he just stood there like a plum.

If he can sort out his attitude then maybe he can be a sucess. I'm sure Benitez is a quality manager but do you think he has told Cisse to stop moaning 90% of the time and play football? It doesn't seem like he has because the last few games I have seen him play he has been complaining about everything. There's no urge or agression or energy about his game...I'm getting angry thinking about all the times he's let Liverpool down :angry:

....Happy thoughts, Happy thoughts...........

Oh yeah, glad someone pointed out Garcia's final ball. He is our playmaker - but he can't do that job. Against Man U he had excellent opportunities to release players but he's either too selfish, or can't pass the ball. I don't get that guy..Is he good or just very lucky a lot of the times?

by **Houllier=LFC** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 1:36 pm

A lot of times i would rather Garcia blast the ball at goal instead of passing since they often results in a counter attack

by **LiverpoolMadman** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 2:27 pm

Our strikers are all good players but it's our attacking midfield that we should look at. I think it's about time to sell HK and get someone like Kaka, Rafael Van der Vaart or maybe Joe Cole to support cisse and pc. As for Garcia .... If he going to play like the one vs with Manshit U, RB will sell him.

I learn that most of the clubs now played 4-5-1 .... like Chelshit (Didier Drogba/Hernan Crespo support by Eidur Gudjohnsen/ Joe Cole), Manshit U ( Ruud van Nistelrooy support by Wayne Rooney) , Milan ( Andriy Shevchenko support by Ricardo Kaka and Inter (Leite Adriano support by David Pizarro ). So if RB want to take Liverpool to the next level , he need a good attacking midfield .

by **RedRoots** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 4:13 pm

I can't beleive some of the boll0x i'm reding here, Cisse gets ten minutes on the pitch and get slated for not performing. What about Garcia? the lad's a stocking of :censored:

, he scores the odd goal which makes us forget about how :censored:

he is. Somebody called him a playmaker in a previous post! give me a break, he's almost as bad as Djimi on the ball. Cisse is being treated very unfairly, he's shown what he can do in the Supercup final and he was hardly top scorer in the French league by accident, i'd put it to people to critisize players who have got their chances and failed instead of slating a player who we've not seen enough of.

by **109-1093441336** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 4:57 pm

Even Diouf first touch is superior to cisse. And diouf is spitting mad.

Cisse is merely style over substance. No wonder he didn't want anyone to compare him to henry.

There miles apart TBH.

by **RedRoots** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:09 pm

Well they aren't the same type of player so he was right to say that, people might make comparisons because they're both French and black, although Henry is better they cannot be compared in terms of style.

by **tidusuk123** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:51 pm

RedRoots wrote:I can't beleive some of the boll0x i'm reding here, Cisse gets ten minutes on the pitch and get slated for not performing. What about Garcia? the lad's a stocking of , he scores the odd goal which makes us forget about how he is. Somebody called him a playmaker in a previous post! give me a break, he's almost as bad as Djimi on the ball. Cisse is being treated very unfairly, he's shown what he can do in the Supercup final and he was hardly top scorer in the French league by accident, i'd put it to people to critisize players who have got their chances and failed instead of slating a player who we've not seen enough of.

I didn't say Garcia is a good playmaker - he is meant to be our playmaker with the role he plays, but he just can't do the job.

Things are being said about Cisse not just based on his 10 mins with Utd, but for his performances in the last 2 or 3 games he has played.

Garcia should also be dropped from the side but I can't see that happening simply because Morientes has played :censored:

yet Rafa still plays him... I think he plays them because they are his Spanish buddies... Sissoko can replace him and take Gerrard's defensive role - Gerrard therefore can do what he does best - create goals/ break the goal nets. Garcia would be a good sub, or just put him in Champions League games...

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