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Postby hobbes » Sun Sep 11, 2005 3:55 am

Liv vs Spurs a game most anticipated by us. The game serves us a delighted expectation after 1 week of gap.

With Crouch back pairing with Ciise, increased our confidence to get goals.

The game ended 0-0 with both side's a goal each that had been disallowed.

Now, watching the game I can name 1 lad that I was extremely diappointed with. Luis Garcia. !

Garcia made too many silly mistakes. Loosing balls quickly. Cheap passes. Terrible long crossing. If I had a choice I would have replaced him than Hamann. He was virtually not the right one on the right. He keeps moving towards the centre.

The other two of our substitutes was a forced situation. Warnock and Crouch were slightly injured. Warnock was good at his position.

Apart from Garcia we had another problem. Crouch might be tall but his reaction and movement is not fast. I saw Ciise made several crosses towards him but he did not arrive in time. I find Crouch dragging his feet. Whereas his height too has not been utilized to the fullest. The on air ball is still lower than his head. He has to bend down to try to head the ball. He is not jumping to head the ball. So when he bends down, Crouch seems to commit foul over his marker.

Whereas Ciise himself has been preety lacking in finishing. This had been said over and over again. How can he in his position, with all the rumours, with all the doubts and with all the critisism, miskick the ball in front of the goal. Just because the transfer window has been closed does not give him the right to sloth.

Overall again our midfield was strong. Defence donated 4 beautiful chances for Spurs. With God's grace Spurs failed to capitalize. No wonder Rafa is happy with 0-0. Otherwise it would have been easily 3-1. (for Spurs of course)

What caused this ?

Is Spurs a better team than us. ? or is it the International duty to be blamed for tiredness. ?

Are we relying on long passes too much because I did't see Liv playing ground ball for too long? I saw Gerrard tried to run forward and play the one touch ball but the others did not correspond. Is that a cause? OR Did we try to defend in the 1st half and attack in the 2nd and we did not get the chance to create oppurtunities enough ? Did we lack skills because I did not see any of our strikers dribble the ball past Spurs defenders. Whenever we get the ball and confronted by Spurs defenders our striker seem to pass the ball away and kick it? Our we lacking in keeping posession. ? Our passes are intercepted quit often. Are we lacking in acuracy?

These errors  mus be cured. Chelse is 10 point clear now. What are we going to do to at least join back the race. Or are we going to be like yesteryears.Mediocre. 

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Postby The_Rock » Sun Sep 11, 2005 8:31 am

hobbes wrote:These errors  mus be cured. Chelse is 10 point clear now. What are we going to do to at least join back the race. Or are we going to be like yesteryears.Mediocre. 

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forget the premier league......we have more chance of retaining the champ league  :D

Now......you feel better ?  :p
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Postby kazza » Sun Sep 11, 2005 9:12 am

? ? ? I thought a post mortem is carried out after something dies.

On the plus side, we have played three and conceded none!
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Postby teamleader1 » Sun Sep 11, 2005 9:43 am

The key point is that we could have easily taken all 3 pts-

we went for the win not the draw, ok the forward line could have been sharper but the service they recieve from the flanks is poor, cissi will improve once hes on the end of crosses and not stuck out wide,
garcia is a luxury that we can ill afford- his moments of magic are sublime but he hinders the managers efforts to get a flowing system in place, to many silly flicks and lack of awareness is more often than not to blame for turning possesion in attack into a scrambling match to get back to defend a break away-and his constant needless fouling in dangerous positions puts us under pressure from set pieces-

we are desperate for a natural R/W and a 4th smaller nippy type forward to mix it up with cissi/nando/crouch- hopefully the jan window will give us the opportunity to remedy this-
until then I would try mixing the R/W position between pongolle/ zendon/garcia, whoevers in form keeps the shirt-

overall though I see a lot to be positive about, dont forget we are still rebuilding and that dosnte come over night

somtimes we are all guilty of expecting to much
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Postby 66-1120597113 » Sun Sep 11, 2005 10:03 am

hobbes wrote:Liv vs Spurs a game most anticipated by us. The game serves us a delighted expectation after 1 week of gap.

With Crouch back pairing with Ciise, increased our confidence to get goals.

The game ended 0-0 with both side's a goal each that had been disallowed.

Now, watching the game I can name 1 lad that I was extremely diappointed with. Luis Garcia. !

Garcia made too many silly mistakes. Loosing balls quickly. Cheap passes. Terrible long crossing. If I had a choice I would have replaced him than Hamann. He was virtually not the right one on the right. He keeps moving towards the centre.

The other two of our substitutes was a forced situation. Warnock and Crouch were slightly injured. Warnock was good at his position.

Apart from Garcia we had another problem. Crouch might be tall but his reaction and movement is not fast. I saw Ciise made several crosses towards him but he did not arrive in time. I find Crouch dragging his feet. Whereas his height too has not been utilized to the fullest. The on air ball is still lower than his head. He has to bend down to try to head the ball. He is not jumping to head the ball. So when he bends down, Crouch seems to commit foul over his marker.

Whereas Ciise himself has been preety lacking in finishing. This had been said over and over again. How can he in his position, with all the rumours, with all the doubts and with all the critisism, miskick the ball in front of the goal. Just because the transfer window has been closed does not give him the right to sloth.

Overall again our midfield was strong. Defence donated 4 beautiful chances for Spurs. With God's grace Spurs failed to capitalize. No wonder Rafa is happy with 0-0. Otherwise it would have been easily 3-1. (for Spurs of course)

What caused this ?

Is Spurs a better team than us. ? or is it the International duty to be blamed for tiredness. ?

Are we relying on long passes too much because I did't see Liv playing ground ball for too long? I saw Gerrard tried to run forward and play the one touch ball but the others did not correspond. Is that a cause? OR Did we try to defend in the 1st half and attack in the 2nd and we did not get the chance to create oppurtunities enough ? Did we lack skills because I did not see any of our strikers dribble the ball past Spurs defenders. Whenever we get the ball and confronted by Spurs defenders our striker seem to pass the ball away and kick it? Our we lacking in keeping posession. ? Our passes are intercepted quit often. Are we lacking in acuracy?

These errors  mus be cured. Chelse is 10 point clear now. What are we going to do to at least join back the race. Or are we going to be like yesteryears.Mediocre. 

:veryangry

I watched the match on Motd and i have to say i dont agree with most of your 'post mortem'!
Apart from the point you make about Garcia drifting in and not being suited too the right.This is to be expected as the fella is playing out of postion.
And a for saying it could have been 3-1 Spurs i suggest you were watching another game,it was a great game with both teams going for the win and both having plenty of chances!
You also failed to mention Riise's effort that if 2 inches lower would have been a wonder goal,or a great performance from Carra that we have come to expect from the man.All in all im delighted with the way we played away from home yeterday!I dont recall many matches last season when our team played as well away and went out to get the victory!
Spurs are a quality team and i expect them to finish at least 6th or better this season,so this was a good result for us!
If this is the way our team are gonna play on the road i'll take it as we wont loose many!
I suggest you watch the highlights of the match again today on sky  then kindly stick your 'postmortem' up your hole!!  :talktothehand
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Postby Paul C » Sun Sep 11, 2005 10:52 am

White heart lane is a hard place to get a result and the way our away record was last season I was glad to get a point, we've only played 3 games so just chill out cos we'll hit form when the lads have played some games and start to get some form and confidence infront of goal :;):

Also we've had 3 clean sheets now so their is a positive to the start of the season, the goals will come  :)
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Postby JC_81 » Sun Sep 11, 2005 11:25 am

BarryBelfast wrote:
hobbes wrote:Liv vs Spurs a game most anticipated by us. The game serves us a delighted expectation after 1 week of gap.

With Crouch back pairing with Ciise, increased our confidence to get goals.

The game ended 0-0 with both side's a goal each that had been disallowed.

Now, watching the game I can name 1 lad that I was extremely diappointed with. Luis Garcia. !

Garcia made too many silly mistakes. Loosing balls quickly. Cheap passes. Terrible long crossing. If I had a choice I would have replaced him than Hamann. He was virtually not the right one on the right. He keeps moving towards the centre.

The other two of our substitutes was a forced situation. Warnock and Crouch were slightly injured. Warnock was good at his position.

Apart from Garcia we had another problem. Crouch might be tall but his reaction and movement is not fast. I saw Ciise made several crosses towards him but he did not arrive in time. I find Crouch dragging his feet. Whereas his height too has not been utilized to the fullest. The on air ball is still lower than his head. He has to bend down to try to head the ball. He is not jumping to head the ball. So when he bends down, Crouch seems to commit foul over his marker.

Whereas Ciise himself has been preety lacking in finishing. This had been said over and over again. How can he in his position, with all the rumours, with all the doubts and with all the critisism, miskick the ball in front of the goal. Just because the transfer window has been closed does not give him the right to sloth.

Overall again our midfield was strong. Defence donated 4 beautiful chances for Spurs. With God's grace Spurs failed to capitalize. No wonder Rafa is happy with 0-0. Otherwise it would have been easily 3-1. (for Spurs of course)

What caused this ?

Is Spurs a better team than us. ? or is it the International duty to be blamed for tiredness. ?

Are we relying on long passes too much because I did't see Liv playing ground ball for too long? I saw Gerrard tried to run forward and play the one touch ball but the others did not correspond. Is that a cause? OR Did we try to defend in the 1st half and attack in the 2nd and we did not get the chance to create oppurtunities enough ? Did we lack skills because I did not see any of our strikers dribble the ball past Spurs defenders. Whenever we get the ball and confronted by Spurs defenders our striker seem to pass the ball away and kick it? Our we lacking in keeping posession. ? Our passes are intercepted quit often. Are we lacking in acuracy?

These errors  mus be cured. Chelse is 10 point clear now. What are we going to do to at least join back the race. Or are we going to be like yesteryears.Mediocre. 

:veryangry

I watched the match on Motd and i have to say i dont agree with most of your 'post mortem'!
Apart from the point you make about Garcia drifting in and not being suited too the right.This is to be expected as the fella is playing out of postion.
And a for saying it could have been 3-1 Spurs i suggest you were watching another game,it was a great game with both teams going for the win and both having plenty of chances!
You also failed to mention Riise's effort that if 2 inches lower would have been a wonder goal,or a great performance from Carra that we have come to expect from the man.All in all im delighted with the way we played away from home yeterday!I dont recall many matches last season when our team played as well away and went out to get the victory!
Spurs are a quality team and i expect them to finish at least 6th or better this season,so this was a good result for us!
If this is the way our team are gonna play on the road i'll take it as we wont loose many!
I suggest you watch the highlights of the match again today on sky  then kindly stick your 'postmortem' up your hole!!  :talktothehand

True Barry,

You could count our good away performances in the league last season on one hand, maybe even one finger FFS, we were dreadful.  This season we have had 2 very solid away performances already against 2 teams that we notoriously struggle against on the road, have kept 2 clean sheets and were unlucky not to win both.  I'm pretty satisfied with that :nod

Rafa said he wanted to make us harder to beat away this season and so far so good, now lets take the scum apart at our place next week!! :buttrock
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Postby teamleader1 » Sun Sep 11, 2005 11:34 am

Well said Paul C

Lets all focus on the good points-

I like you see plenty of promise, along with steady improvment

But I still think Garcia is a bit of a hinderence- this is only a personal opinion and is based on what I think is for the good of the team, I dont for one second doubt his ability its his lax attitude that bothers me, if he got a grip of this he could become a legend

sadly I see no sign of this
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Postby *R*E*D*S* » Sun Sep 11, 2005 12:09 pm

aslong as he pops up and scored crucial goals, juve style, he's ok by me!
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Postby zarababe » Sun Sep 11, 2005 1:00 pm

I see the optimists are out in force :angry:

Where the hell are al these doom merchants coming from :angry:
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Postby Paul C » Sun Sep 11, 2005 1:50 pm

zarababe wrote:I see the optimists are out in force :angry:

Where the hell are al these doom merchants coming from :angry:

It's the same old doubters Zara, when we start playing well they will forgete all this and start kissin ar5e again and talking about how good a manager Rafa is, how good our strikers are, etc.  :angry:
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Postby teamleader1 » Sun Sep 11, 2005 2:27 pm

Paul
My doubts about Garcia are shared by many in the main stand at every home game also by SG on the pitch going by the amount of bollockings he gives him for his slack play

I dont see SG doing this to any other player!

says it all m8
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Postby mighty mo » Sun Sep 11, 2005 4:12 pm

i see the resentment for the team is still carrying on,rafa is building a time now for the premiership we are not ready to challenge for the title yet.
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Postby XSD » Sun Sep 11, 2005 4:15 pm

I'd sooner focus on the positives of which there were quite a lot.
Crouch and Cisse combined well, Riise and Cisse both hit amazing volleys and were unlucky. Reina, despite making a mistake, had a good game and made some good saves.
Finnan was good.

Above all though I think Sissoko was extremely impressive, infact all our midfielders were passing the ball well but Sissoko stood out when he came on. It's amazing to have these young players like Sissoko, Gerrard and Alonso, they can be red legends.
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Postby teamleader1 » Sun Sep 11, 2005 5:01 pm

Agree 100% on sissoko, top class

I dont think ive seen a player of his class cover so much ground in such an effortless way-

Bit by bit Rafa is putting together what is potentialy the best midfield in europe - the last piece in the MF jigsaw is on the R
and that should get solved in Jan

Once the system is fine tuned to Rafas standards the strikers will fall into place and the goals will flow.

I think the critisism of the defence is a bit OTT considering weve not conceded a prem goal yet!
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