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[Chelsea forever.]

Your under selling us m8- even you must admit we are unlucky not to have max pts and your lot are very lucky to have max pts- we can easely finish in the top 3 and win our cl group- and with a bit of your luck we could win it again 

I think its expected that you dont have max points, just as it was expect that Arsenal would fail in their start to win the EPL. They dont have an out n out striker, and you have problems of your own. They create all the chances but cant finish - its somewhat of a similar story for you.

Yes we were lucky to win against Wigan, but we have the player to produce such a goal and he is being played in the right formation at the right spot. You have players to produce goals but if you play them out of position what can they do?

I dont know how you say you can 'Easily' finish in the top3. You clearly need improvement and new players. If you were producing results without playing great football (like us) then its a different story as you can not play great but still grind a result - a mark of a good solid team- like Manu can. Then there is only thought of improving style and producing the result. But in your case you need improvement in both aspects.

In Arsenals case they have all the style but cant manage to finish  

In my honest opinion I feel you will find it frustrating in the League if you continue to play 4-5-1 with Crouch alone. It might work against some teams but not all. I really hope Rafa chances formation and you start winning games as I would like to see you in the top3.

Cheers

Ps -- id like to see this

----------------------------Reina

---Finnan---------Carra----------------Hyypia-----------Risse

----------------------------Alonso
-------------Gerrard----------------------Sisoko

----------------------------Garcia

---------------Cisse---------------------Crouch

The problem is there is no RW. You cant play Cisse on the right because he is not a winger and 2nd he will not track back, something thats expected of wingers on a 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 formation. Example when we play Duff and Cole they both track back and help in defense, Cisse or Garcia will not do that, Zenden might. But just because Zenden offers something on the left, you cant force the issue by slotting a player on the right who wont offer whats expected of a RWF ie. being a wing wizzard and tracking back to defend.

So the only logical solution according to me is to change the formation to a 4-4-2 or a typical Daimond or 4-4-1-1 if he wants 1 striker and Garcia behind him.

Just my thoughts ..

Chelsea Forever

[Judge]

stop signing your posts chelseaforever, we know who you are

[thegreedo]

Paul
My doughts about Garcia are shared by many in the main stand at every home game also by SG on the pitch going by the amount of bollockings he gives him for his slack play

I dont see SG doing this to any other player!

says it all m8

Nah mate I wasn't singling you out, I agree that Garcia had a poor game but it's cos the lad just can't play on the right which underlines the issue that we need a RW desperatly 

I was lucky enough to be in the players lounge after the sunderland game and I can promise you both, SG is not the only player spitting bile over Garcia's continual lack of ability to do the simple things correctly. Carra was absolutely livid having spoken to Carra a number of times I have not seen him like that since he scored two o,g's against the scum.

After watching our Louis' perfomance at the lane I would hazard a guess that the rest of the players would have had to stop JC from srangling him in the dressing room on saturday!!

[Judge]

garcia is a bit poo aint he. he's better down the middle, but that aint up to much anyway. i say we sell him in the january transfer window to Gravesend

[teamleader1]

I can well believe it greebo

Its so fkn frustrating to watch a promising attack wasted by LG doing somthing so stupid for a proffesional footballer it just beggers belief-

bench player at best for me

[Paul C]

Your under selling us m8- even you must admit we are unlucky not to have max pts and your lot are very lucky to have max pts- we can easely finish in the top 3 and win our cl group- and with a bit of your luck we could win it again 

I think its expected that you dont have max points, just as it was expect that Arsenal would fail in their start to win the EPL. They dont have an out n out striker, and you have problems of your own. They create all the chances but cant finish - its somewhat of a similar story for you.

Yes we were lucky to win against Wigan, but we have the player to produce such a goal and he is being played in the right formation at the right spot. You have players to produce goals but if you play them out of position what can they do?

I dont know how you say you can 'Easily' finish in the top3. You clearly need improvement and new players. If you were producing results without playing great football (like us) then its a different story as you can not play great but still grind a result - a mark of a good solid team- like Manu can. Then there is only thought of improving style and producing the result. But in your case you need improvement in both aspects.

In Arsenals case they have all the style but cant manage to finish  

In my honest opinion I feel you will find it frustrating in the League if you continue to play 4-5-1 with Crouch alone. It might work against some teams but not all. I really hope Rafa chances formation and you start winning games as I would like to see you in the top3.

Cheers

Ps -- id like to see this

----------------------------Reina

---Finnan---------Carra----------------Hyypia-----------Risse

----------------------------Alonso
-------------Gerrard----------------------Sisoko

----------------------------Garcia

---------------Cisse---------------------Crouch

The problem is there is no RW. You cant play Cisse on the right because he is not a winger and 2nd he will not track back, something thats expected of wingers on a 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 formation. Example when we play Duff and Cole they both track back and help in defense, Cisse or Garcia will not do that, Zenden might. But just because Zenden offers something on the left, you cant force the issue by slotting a player on the right who wont offer whats expected of a RWF ie. being a wing wizzard and tracking back to defend.

So the only logical solution according to me is to change the formation to a 4-4-2 or a typical Daimond or 4-4-1-1 if he wants 1 striker and Garcia behind him.

Just my thoughts ..

Chelsea Forever

To be fair to the lad I have to agree that is a good formation 

[teamleader1]

Your under selling us m8- even you must admit we are unlucky not to have max pts and your lot are very lucky to have max pts- we can easely finish in the top 3 and win our cl group- and with a bit of your luck we could win it again 

I think its expected that you dont have max points, just as it was expect that Arsenal would fail in their start to win the EPL. They dont have an out n out striker, and you have problems of your own. They create all the chances but cant finish - its somewhat of a similar story for you.

Yes we were lucky to win against Wigan, but we have the player to produce such a goal and he is being played in the right formation at the right spot. You have players to produce goals but if you play them out of position what can they do?

I dont know how you say you can 'Easily' finish in the top3. You clearly need improvement and new players. If you were producing results without playing great football (like us) then its a different story as you can not play great but still grind a result - a mark of a good solid team- like Manu can. Then there is only thought of improving style and producing the result. But in your case you need improvement in both aspects.

In Arsenals case they have all the style but cant manage to finish  

In my honest opinion I feel you will find it frustrating in the League if you continue to play 4-5-1 with Crouch alone. It might work against some teams but not all. I really hope Rafa chances formation and you start winning games as I would like to see you in the top3.

Cheers

Ps -- id like to see this

----------------------------Reina

---Finnan---------Carra----------------Hyypia-----------Risse

----------------------------Alonso
-------------Gerrard----------------------Sisoko

----------------------------Garcia

---------------Cisse---------------------Crouch

The problem is there is no RW. You cant play Cisse on the right because he is not a winger and 2nd he will not track back, something thats expected of wingers on a 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 formation. Example when we play Duff and Cole they both track back and help in defense, Cisse or Garcia will not do that, Zenden might. But just because Zenden offers something on the left, you cant force the issue by slotting a player on the right who wont offer whats expected of a RWF ie. being a wing wizzard and tracking back to defend.

So the only logical solution according to me is to change the formation to a 4-4-2 or a typical Daimond or 4-4-1-1 if he wants 1 striker and Garcia behind him.

Just my thoughts ..

Chelsea Forever

To be fair to the lad I have to agree that is a good formation 

Take garcia out and try zendon-
Sissoko is showing great attacking link up play

[thegreedo]

Nice idea but that formation is far too narrow, even for a team without any real wingers.

[ry_math]

im with u buddy

[A.B.]

What caused this ?

Is Spurs a better team than us

Forgive me as I have not watched the game or gone through all the posts on this thread.

I would say yes, Spurs are a better team ATM atlease. They look a very serious and dangerous side. Iv said it all along that Spurs are the team to watch this season and with Arsenal fading away I feel they can easily clinch 3rd spot.

Spurs improvement is bad news for Liverpool - why?

Well because a top 4 spot looks more unlikely this season than it was last. Last season you finished 5th as Everton pulled the rabbit outa the hat. This season there are more Evertons - Charlton, Bolton, Newcastle (they can be if they start winning). I havent mentioned Spurs because I believe they are above these 3. I think they can challenge for 3rd spot and I think they can achieve it. But lets say they dont, its Arsenal, Spurs, Charlton, Bolton, Newcastle and Liverpool fighting for 3rd and 4th spot.

Based on what I have seen so far I can say Spurs will easily take 1 of those 2 spots. Which means You have to fight it out with Arsenal, Bolton, Charlton and any other last min surprise team out there. Thats a tough task if you ask me. 5 teams for the 4th spot, all want CL football.

I think another 5 games will set the basis for the pyramid to develope on. 10 games down we should have a fair clue on who the contenders are for the top 4 spots. I would imagine Us and Manu are in there fore sure. I would also expect Spurs to grab one. So its the rest for the last spot in the top 4.

This is an interesting season. It would be even more interesting if Newcastle were playing to potential, if Everton looked atlseast 70% of what they did last season and if Liverpool could use the right formation with the right players (i dont agree with Rafa this season)

Chelsea Forever

I'm sorry but I don't buy into this Spurs hype. They have made good signings but they are not better than Arsenal. Wenger didn't replace Vieira and that is going to cost him but they still have good players, better players than Tottenham do. They won't go unbeaten and they will lose games but they are better than the Spurs.

[66-1120597113]

Spurs are not better than Arsenal!Anyone that thinks they are knows fu.ck all about  football!
They are a massive team with a  huge history and deserve respect.Reallistically i think this  season thay can challenge easily for a  UEFA  cup  place and no more,which in itself is a great achievement!
Martin Jol has showed huge balls in signing so many young  players!People say hes daft,i think hes a genius.He knows he cannot  win anything  with a team like he has.but he also knows that a lot of them are English and will  use this season as a chance to advertise they're abilities in the hope that bigger  and better clubs will come knocking on the door!
Make no mistake,knock on the door they will and with big money in the paw and Mister Jol will greet them with a smile and a huge chin too,take the cash,buy bigger and better players and make  Spurs better year  by  year!
The question is,will he get the time to make them great?

[Chelsea forever.]

I'm sorry but I don't buy into this Spurs hype. They have made good signings but they are not better than Arsenal. Wenger didn't replace Vieira and that is going to cost him but they still have good players, better players than Tottenham do. They won't go unbeaten and they will lose games but they are better than the Spurs.

Im not saying SPurs  are better than Arsenal, im saying there is a fair possibility they will finish the season above Arsenal.

[hobbes]

Though u Chelsea forever speak with some sense compaired to your manager, but dont underestimate Liverpool. 

It's only the begining. Wait a few more games, and see what happends to Liverpool. No disrespect to Bolton /Charlton / Spurs of course.

Wait and see. To be frank I think we are a bit disappointed with our failure to buy some players. We are concentrating to much on taking care of that problem and are worried of covering the areas. We need to believe that even without any new signings we have a good squad and start to improve and play well. And in a few rounds, we will be straightened up and show our true coulour. THE REDS!

Rafa is a manager who uses every talent in the club. I realized this last season. So we are not desperate for new players. We can play good football with our current squad. We are just too nervous. Remember what Rafa said when he joined Liverpool.

Anyway coming back tothe topic, why didn't we win against Spurs.? What was the problem?

[Chelsea forever.]

but dont underestimate Liverpool. 

Never have I underestimated any opposition. Last night was a great example, a newly promoted team slams a squad fighting for a top 6 spot 4-0. I didnt watch the game but will surely catch the replay later today.

Anyway coming back tothe topic, why didn't we win against Spurs.? What was the problem?

Well I really cant honestly answer that as all I got to see were highlights. I saw Risse's hammer - boy that was a lovely strike. Spurs had the better chances and you could have easliy lost the game.

I guess the positive is you kept a clean sheet (albet a tad lucky).

But iv been saying it on other threads aswell, the formation does not suit the players who are expected to produce Ie. CIsse and Garcia. Just play a daimond and i will bet you your front 2 will score goals.

Lets see how you play against Manu this wknd.

[hobbes]

With  MU I believe the game would be totally different. With Different attitude and mind set. You know.. we have lots between us