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Postby Chelsea forever. » Sat Aug 27, 2005 7:17 am

There has been a lot of talk on this forum about weather or not Cisse should be sold and how good Fernando really is.

Here are my thoughts ...

Fernando - When he played for Madrid alongside Raul many years ago he was a very good player. He had power, energy and was hungry. He won his fair share with Madrid, but then they got Ronaldo and they had Portillo so the decided to loan him to Monaco. There he arrived on good form and with a big reputation. A player coming from Real Madrid to a club who had no noticeably world class talent was always going to lift the squad and perform well. He knocked out Madrid in the CL and had a good loan spell with Monaco.

Then Madrid realized that they had made a mistake, just like with Eto'o and Makelele and Cassano - so they brought him back, only for him to sit on the bench. This is where he started to loose confidence, just a year ago he knocked out Madrid in the CL and here he found himself on the Madrid bench not worthy of getting a chance in the starting lineup. He was never ahead of El Capitan Raul and superstar Ronaldo. Owen was also above him in the peaking order and Luxembergo really didn’t think Fernando had anything worthy to offer. So they sold him to Liverpool. Last season he was very poor. Everyone was patient and thought with a full pre-season he will regain his form and start to shine (as many new players do). But it was not to be, so far what I have seen of him I don’t think he is anywhere better than what he was last season. He is no where close to the form he was in at Monaco. He plays with his back to goal and finds it difficult to get the ball out of his feet.

The thing is, in modern football there is a lot more expected out of the forward/striker. You look at the top teams in the EPL. Henry and Bergkamp who lead the line for Arsenal are always dropping back and helping out in defense and creativity. At Manu Rooney is always all over the pitch and really plays as a footballer as opposed to an out and out striker, RVN is the out and out striker but he too drops back central MF to allow Rooney and Park to get forward. At Chelsea Drogba does a lot of tracking back and making space for others.

I don’t think Fernando has that in him, maybe he can cut it in Spain or Italy but deffo not in the EPL. He finds it difficult to be at par with the pace of the game, he doesn’t really track back and help out (that maybe down to tactics). He doesn’t do a lot of things - and without the need to pin point what they are I can broadly say he isn’t the correct hard working CF.

Cisse - Had a good season with his pervious club. He was on fire last season until he broke his leg. Its very difficult to come back form such an injury, but yet what he has offered and what he has shown since his return is much more than what Fernando has shown. He is the fastest player at Liverpool and one of the fastest in the EPL, if you have to break into a quick counter attack its him who will outrun everyone (including the ref :laugh: ) and to have a player who can do that against almost all oppostion is a HUGE bonus. Cisse has probably played 25% of the time that Fernando has, but yet he has shown much more hunger and determination than Morientes - and more importantly he has the right attitude (never doubting his ability). A player who doesn’t doubt himself, a player who can come back from a broken leg and still offer more in that limited time than the regular striker has offered in the whole season + the new one and a player who comes off the bench, turns the game around and wins his club the super cup in 10 mins, is a player you would want to keep in your squad.

I guess what im trying to say is - selling Cisse will be a huge mistake.

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Postby RedorDead » Sat Aug 27, 2005 7:34 am

My post on the other Cisse thread says it all as far as the way I feel about Djibril is concerned, I think he is excellent for us in many ways and we should definitly keep him, end of.
While I was excited about Nando coming here last season he has been a huge disappointment so far. It is a new season and maybe he will come good but for me Cisse is our number one striker and would seriously challenge for that title even if Senor Owen returns. I see absolutely no reason why Cisse, Owen, nando and Crouch can't be in the same squad and I hope we keep them all but if someone HAS to go to accomodate Owen then I hope it is Morientes, Crouch is an unknown and been here 5 minutes and Cisse is the number one striker right now. Pongo and Mellor are young and part of the future perhaps. The here and now is Djibril Cisse and he must say.

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Postby DAV » Sat Aug 27, 2005 8:58 am

Cisse seems to have pace skill and a good eye 4 goal
morientes- seems sluggish, and not a shade of the player who use to win trophys with madrid,

I personally would not sell him cisse
i would'nt mind seeing cisse with owen up front

we have
pongolle-(get rid)
crouch-aint going to judge him yet
morientes-not sure, but lets hope he performs soon or the crowd and press will be on him and he'll leave 1 way or another
cisse-keep
and hopefully owen

60 or 70 games this season
4 strikers, not sure how he's going to keep them all happy, going to be an interesting next couple of weeks
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Postby lakes10 » Sat Aug 27, 2005 9:12 am

Chelsea forever. wrote:There has been a lot of talk on this forum about weather or not Cisse should be sold and how good Fernando really is.

Here are my thoughts ...

Fernando - When he played for Madrid alongside Raul many years ago he was a very good player. He had power, energy and was hungry. He won his fair share with Madrid, but then they got Ronaldo and they had Portillo so the decided to loan him to Monaco. There he arrived on good form and with a big reputation. A player coming from Real Madrid to a club who had no noticeably world class talent was always going to lift the squad and perform well. He knocked out Madrid in the CL and had a good loan spell with Monaco.

Then Madrid realized that they had made a mistake, just like with Eto'o and Makelele and Cassano - so they brought him back, only for him to sit on the bench. This is where he started to loose confidence, just a year ago he knocked out Madrid in the CL and here he found himself on the Madrid bench not worthy of getting a chance in the starting lineup. He was never ahead of El Capitan Raul and superstar Ronaldo. Owen was also above him in the peaking order and Luxembergo really didn’t think Fernando had anything worthy to offer. So they sold him to Liverpool. Last season he was very poor. Everyone was patient and thought with a full pre-season he will regain his form and start to shine (as many new players do). But it was not to be, so far what I have seen of him I don’t think he is anywhere better than what he was last season. He is no where close to the form he was in at Monaco. He plays with his back to goal and finds it difficult to get the ball out of his feet.

The thing is, in modern football there is a lot more expected out of the forward/striker. You look at the top teams in the EPL. Henry and Bergkamp who lead the line for Arsenal are always dropping back and helping out in defense and creativity. At Manu Rooney is always all over the pitch and really plays as a footballer as opposed to an out and out striker, RVN is the out and out striker but he too drops back central MF to allow Rooney and Park to get forward. At Chelsea Drogba does a lot of tracking back and making space for others.

I don’t think Fernando has that in him, maybe he can cut it in Spain or Italy but deffo not in the EPL. He finds it difficult to be at par with the pace of the game, he doesn’t really track back and help out (that maybe down to tactics). He doesn’t do a lot of things - and without the need to pin point what they are I can broadly say he isn’t the correct hard working CF.

Cisse - Had a good season with his pervious club. He was on fire last season until he broke his leg. Its very difficult to come back form such an injury, but yet what he has offered and what he has shown since his return is much more than what Fernando has shown. He is the fastest player at Liverpool and one of the fastest in the EPL, if you have to break into a quick counter attack its him who will outrun everyone (including the ref :laugh: ) and to have a player who can do that against almost all oppostion is a HUGE bonus. Cisse has probably played 25% of the time that Fernando has, but yet he has shown much more hunger and determination than Morientes - and more importantly he has the right attitude (never doubting his ability). A player who doesn’t doubt himself, a player who can come back from a broken leg and still offer more in that limited time than the regular striker has offered in the whole season + the new one and a player who comes off the bench, turns the game around and wins his club the super cup in 10 mins, is a player you would want to keep in your squad.

I guess what im trying to say is - selling Cisse will be a huge mistake.

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wow well this is a first for me , i agree with a Chelsea fan.
good post mate your are 100% spot on in my view
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Postby Red Rafa Revolution » Sat Aug 27, 2005 9:36 am

i have always thought that moro require a little bedding in but after last night game, i have to agree that he doesn't offer anything up front. selling him will be a better option than cisse.
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Postby Chelsea forever. » Sat Aug 27, 2005 12:05 pm

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Postby Fernando Morientes > 19 < » Sat Aug 27, 2005 12:12 pm

Chelsea forever. wrote:Lol

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Postby mighty mo » Sun Aug 28, 2005 12:11 am

Chelsea forever. wrote:There has been a lot of talk on this forum about weather or not Cisse should be sold and how good Fernando really is.

Here are my thoughts ...

Fernando - When he played for Madrid alongside Raul many years ago he was a very good player. He had power, energy and was hungry. He won his fair share with Madrid, but then they got Ronaldo and they had Portillo so the decided to loan him to Monaco. There he arrived on good form and with a big reputation. A player coming from Real Madrid to a club who had no noticeably world class talent was always going to lift the squad and perform well. He knocked out Madrid in the CL and had a good loan spell with Monaco.

Then Madrid realized that they had made a mistake, just like with Eto'o and Makelele and Cassano - so they brought him back, only for him to sit on the bench. This is where he started to loose confidence, just a year ago he knocked out Madrid in the CL and here he found himself on the Madrid bench not worthy of getting a chance in the starting lineup. He was never ahead of El Capitan Raul and superstar Ronaldo. Owen was also above him in the peaking order and Luxembergo really didn’t think Fernando had anything worthy to offer. So they sold him to Liverpool. Last season he was very poor. Everyone was patient and thought with a full pre-season he will regain his form and start to shine (as many new players do). But it was not to be, so far what I have seen of him I don’t think he is anywhere better than what he was last season. He is no where close to the form he was in at Monaco. He plays with his back to goal and finds it difficult to get the ball out of his feet.

The thing is, in modern football there is a lot more expected out of the forward/striker. You look at the top teams in the EPL. Henry and Bergkamp who lead the line for Arsenal are always dropping back and helping out in defense and creativity. At Manu Rooney is always all over the pitch and really plays as a footballer as opposed to an out and out striker, RVN is the out and out striker but he too drops back central MF to allow Rooney and Park to get forward. At Chelsea Drogba does a lot of tracking back and making space for others.

I don’t think Fernando has that in him, maybe he can cut it in Spain or Italy but deffo not in the EPL. He finds it difficult to be at par with the pace of the game, he doesn’t really track back and help out (that maybe down to tactics). He doesn’t do a lot of things - and without the need to pin point what they are I can broadly say he isn’t the correct hard working CF.

Cisse - Had a good season with his pervious club. He was on fire last season until he broke his leg. Its very difficult to come back form such an injury, but yet what he has offered and what he has shown since his return is much more than what Fernando has shown. He is the fastest player at Liverpool and one of the fastest in the EPL, if you have to break into a quick counter attack its him who will outrun everyone (including the ref :laugh: ) and to have a player who can do that against almost all oppostion is a HUGE bonus. Cisse has probably played 25% of the time that Fernando has, but yet he has shown much more hunger and determination than Morientes - and more importantly he has the right attitude (never doubting his ability). A player who doesn’t doubt himself, a player who can come back from a broken leg and still offer more in that limited time than the regular striker has offered in the whole season + the new one and a player who comes off the bench, turns the game around and wins his club the super cup in 10 mins, is a player you would want to keep in your squad.

I guess what im trying to say is - selling Cisse will be a huge mistake.

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cassano has never played for madrid,he started at bari and then onto roma
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Postby skipper » Sun Aug 28, 2005 1:40 am

Good post chelsea forever.

I agree that Cisse has more to offer and should definitely stay at LFC.
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Postby XSD » Sun Aug 28, 2005 1:51 am

Chelsea forever. wrote:He was on fire last season until he broke his leg.

What games were you watching?
Cisse was in terrible form before that game at Blackburn, Baros was much better and a lot of people were criticising Cisse already. A lot of people seem to have these false ideas he was finding his feet or in good form before his leg break. He wasn't.
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Postby Chelsea forever. » Sun Aug 28, 2005 6:23 am

mighty mo --- cassano has played for madrid. he was bald when he played for them.
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Postby matrix » Sun Aug 28, 2005 6:59 am

its all about money people  cisse is worth more than mori   and that will be the telling factor  dont get me wrong i love djibril  but liverpool need quick money to fianance the owen deal    someone said they would love to see owen and cisse destroying defences  it would have been good to see if it worked  but this is really a money thing   there isnt room for them both and owens link up play is better and his finishing is better to   come on rafas last throw of the dice on friday was puting on cisse only to save liverpools blushes  this isnt even a debate anymore cisse is history in my book  :blues:
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